Winnipeg Construction

[BKB]

Originally Posted by trueviking

nothing more painful than shitting a unicorn...especially if it comes out horn first.

....never again.

I am guessing that the entry would have been worse.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by cheswick

Even if it was further to Edmonton, his point would still be correct. Edmonton is East of Calgary, so the new tower wouldn't be the tallest building between Toronto and Calgary, Epcor Tower in Edmonton would be. Saying its the tallest building in Winnipeg would sufface, since the curretn tallest between Toronto and "Calgary" (really Edmonton) is in Winnipeg

Not if they build it in the 160-180 m range.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Granted. Winnipeg would probably see about $300-350 sq ft (probably higher if the building is taller) but still, the design of the units is for people who really only sleep in their apartments.

Even reviewers in Toronto are making the same observations of the ridiculously small (non-bedroom) living space. Most call it a "living room with a fridge".

I agree the space is small for 3 bedrooms. Not entirely sure the demo they appeal to. The lviing space is too small for a family of 3 or 4 who would use that many bedrooms. I guess it could work for rentals? 3 roomates in the 20 to 30 range who spend most of their time out and about.

In terms of the Winnipeg market, the square footage would probably be in the 250 to 300 range sans parking, but that would probably only be a 1 bedroom. How much are the similarly sized, 2 bedroom units going for in glasshouse?

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by Biff

Not if they build it in the 160-180 m range.

They might go that high? I thought it was like 140 max. If it does go that high itll really tower over everything else in the city (and beat out Edmontons 150)

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Biff

Not if they build it in the 160-180 m range.

You beat me too it!

Our tallest could be higher than Edmonton's. Epcor in is 149.4m, currently the tallest in Edmonton. 102nd ST Centre is proposed at 161m. According to SSP.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by cheswick

I agree the space is small for 3 bedrooms. Not entirely sure the demo they appeal to. The lviing space is too small for a family of 3 or 4 who would use that many bedrooms. I guess it could work for rentals? 3 roomates in the 20 to 30 range who spend most of their time out and about.

A large number of these type of condominium units are bought by investors for use as rentals. The layout pictured above would be perfect for that.

[Mininari]

Regarding their media-hype strategy: the evidence is fluttering around in the wind right now, oodles of Metro free daily newspapers, with the front stor(e)y: NEW TALLEST TOWER COULD BE 42 STOREYS. This was on the front of yesterday's paper... so think about how many copies of this are floating around right now.

Genius.

[Shinook]

Originally Posted by Mininari

Regarding their media-hype strategy: the evidence is fluttering around in the wind right now, oodles of Metro free daily newspapers, with the front stor(e)y: NEW TALLEST TOWER COULD BE 42 STOREYS. This was on the front of yesterday's paper... so think about how many copies of this are floating around right now.

Genius.

So, remind me again why many people here were bitching about that announcement on Wednesday?

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by Mininari

Regarding their media-hype strategy: the evidence is fluttering around in the wind right now, oodles of Metro free daily newspapers, with the front stor(e)y: NEW TALLEST TOWER COULD BE 42 STOREYS. This was on the front of yesterday's paper... so think about how many copies of this are floating around right now.

Genius.

It is very smart. Most of my friends in Winnipeg are still not aware of Glasshouse or even d Condos (even after d condo ads were up all over the city on busses and bulletin boards!)

This type of exposure for the Fortress project will gain a lot of general awareness and word of mouth has always been the classic and arguably most powerful form of advertising

[Biff]

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

It is very smart. Most of my friends in Winnipeg are still not aware of Glasshouse or even d Condos (even after d condo ads were up all over the city on busses and bulletin boards!)

This type of exposure for the Fortress project will gain a lot of general awareness and word of mouth has always been the classic and arguably most powerful form of advertising

Great points, eeeevvvvvery one knows about Fortress right now.

I think they succeeded in every way, except of course for the typical small group of very vocal Whinnepeggers who think that everything is a bad idea, takes money out of their pocket or will never work in this city.

[Chadillaccc]

Originally Posted by cheswick

They might go that high? I thought it was like 140 max. If it does go that high itll really tower over everything else in the city (and beat out Edmontons 150)

The typical max for a 42 storey res tower is about 146. That's usually with a hat.

However, considering that there will be possibly two floors of retail and multiple floors of offices, this opens a world of possibility. The main tower of Hullmark Centre in Toronto is 45 storeys, with a roof height of 155 and a spire height of 168.

There is also Festival Tower in Toronto (completely residential) with 42 storeys, a roof height of 152 meters, and a spire height of 157 meters.


Depending on how high the office floor heights are, how many floors of offices there are, and how high the residential floor heights are, I would say this project has a great chance of being at least 130 meters, and as high as 155 meters.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

However, considering that there will be possibly two floors of retail and multiple floors of offices,

It has been said repeatedly on here, by knowledgeable individuals, that there is no market for office space downtown.

[Pavlov]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Granted. Winnipeg would probably see about $300-350 sq ft (probably higher if the building is taller) but still, the design of the units is for people who really only sleep in their apartments.

Even reviewers in Toronto are making the same observations of the ridiculously small (non-bedroom) living space. Most call it a "living room with a fridge".

The quality of materials would be drastically worse at only $300 - $350 /sq. ft. I'm not sure that full floor-to-ceiling windows etc. is feasible at those price points? (a sincere question.)

[Chadillaccc]

Originally Posted by Riverman

It has been said repeatedly on here, by knowledgeable individuals, that there is no market for office space downtown.

Hence the word "possibly," relax dude. I'm just going by what the developers said. I don't read every single post on this thread.

[Riverman]

Relax yourself. Just stating a fact.

[bomberjet]

Everybody relax. We'll see how pre-sales go for the office part. It's not that there's NO market, it's there's a very limited market. Why couldn't they fill 2 or 3 floors with office space? Especially new construction. I wish my office would move downtown instead of never, never land where we currently are. Maybe they'll attract some other/new companies to move to downtown with the spectacular, iconic development.

[Shinook]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Relax yourself. Just stating a fact.

You gave off a scolding anger in your post.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Everybody relax. We'll see how pre-sales go for the office part. It's not that there's NO market, it's there's a very limited market. Why couldn't they fill 2 or 3 floors with office space? Especially new construction. I wish my office would move downtown instead of never, never land where we currently are. Maybe they'll attract some other/new companies to move to downtown with the spectacular, iconic development.

Agreed completely.

No one is going to build any highrise office towers in Winnipeg anytime soon, but I certainly don't think it's unreasonable at all to think that a project like this could include a few floors of office space. It isn't some sort of unprecedented concept for Winnipeg - look at Centrepoint. Having just one tenant (Stantec) was sufficient to result in a few floors of office space being added to the Alt Hotel tower.

[bomberjet]

Some folks were asking about the Yards at Fort Rouge development. They requested an extension to effect registration on the property until Oct. 31, 2013 and received an extension until April 2014. Or sounds like they will receive the extension at council next week.

So what does that mean? When registration comes into effect, do they then have a time limit to develop the property? Well I know they do. But sounds like they are wanting to delay the time period coming into effect until this year at some point. So if they file this thing this summer, as they hope to, development should start over the next year or two?

Is that accurate? I'm not fully aware of all the legal stuff when it comes to this.

http://www.winnipeg.ca/CLKDMIS/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=12736&SectionId=&InitUrl=

[WestEndWander]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Some folks were asking about the Yards at Fort Rouge development. They requested an extension to effect registration on the property until Oct. 31, 2013 and received an extension until April 2014. Or sounds like they will receive the extension at council next week.

So what does that mean? When registration comes into effect, do they then have a time limit to develop the property? Well I know they do. But sounds like they are wanting to delay the time period coming into effect until this year at some point. So if they file this thing this summer, as they hope to, development should start over the next year or two?

Is that accurate? I'm not fully aware of all the legal stuff when it comes to this.

http://www.winnipeg.ca/CLKDMIS/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=12736&SectionId=&InitUrl=

I wonder if this has anything to do with the delay in the completion of the second leg of the rapid transit line? If I'm not mistaken this was supposed to be a transit oriented development. They might be holding up until something is a little more concrete with the RT?