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Old Posted May 16, 2013, 4:08 PM
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I am overly obsessed with pop. growth to be sure, but I also see it as the driver of high rents and dozens of new office buildings. Bedroom communities are little residential towns without major employment centers.


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ugh, apple. http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2013/05/16/apple-to-open-new-store-on-union-square/

i understand that it's "vision" and not a rendering, but that's really not great, considering the back side steps and plaza there up stockton. chiu and lee are right though that apple will probably bring more people into union square than levi's did/does.

as for sf as a bedroom community, it was hyperbole, yeesh. you guys don't need to load this thread up with obviousness.
     
     
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ugh, apple. http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2013/05/16/apple-to-open-new-store-on-union-square/

i understand that it's "vision" and not a rendering, but that's really not great, considering the back side steps and plaza there up stockton. chiu and lee are right though that apple will probably bring more people into union square than levi's did/does.

as for sf as a bedroom community, it was hyperbole, yeesh. you guys don't need to load this thread up with obviousness.
That's such a fashion oriented side of Union Square...honestly I'm surprised Apple would go in the least foot-trafficked corner near Saks and the Taj hotel and other fine retailers who only need a few purchases a day to maintain their strong sales velocity.

I could see Apple at 901 Market or fronting Market at the new Market Center Place about to go up. 4th/Market sees 17,000 pedestrians cross an hour, definitely the busiest intersection in terms of foot traffic and right above a BART/Muni stop. With Central Subway construction, getting from the Powell St station over to the NEC of Union Square along Stockton will be a real hastle.

Not to mention the hideous boring design.
     
     
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I think Apple just wants to get the hell away from the construction on Stockton Street--like another 6 years of noise, dirt, detours, etc. I would move, too.
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^^^They are essentially moving from Stockton/Market to Stockton/Post, away from the foot traffic that the mall/Powell St station drives. Anyway, I heard the deal is basically done (hopefully not the final design though!).
     
     
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It's true--nowadays, the closer to Market the more foot traffic there is. Historically, at least in terms of shopping, it was the opposite--the Square used to be the very heart of the action.
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Apple is totally out growing their space. They lost basement/stockroom/space to the subway construction. Apple relocated their offices and break room to the 2nd level basement to the building that Crate & Barrel is in at 55 Stockton St. Apple employes have to walk down two levels, walk to the opposite corner of the building, clock-in, walk back to street level and down the street to the store just to get to their post. Just imagine what its like to take a 10 min break.

Crate & Barrel also lost stockroom space to the subway station. PG&E took over a good chunk of it to relocate an electrical vault.
     
     
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Re. Apple Store on Union Square. Brilliant. As far as it being away from the foot traffic? Don't worry. They'll create the foot traffic. As far as the design? I can't imagine it will be boring. Steve is gone so who knows? But I doubt it will boring. You know how many cities would be thrilled to get a 'flagship' Apple Store like this?
     
     
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It's going to be traditional Apple...clean lines, lots of metal and glass.

They do a fantastic job when they put stores into historic buildings (many of their European flagships for example), but when building from scratch it's going to be modern and simple.
     
     
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It's going to be traditional Apple...clean lines, lots of metal and glass.

They do a fantastic job when they put stores into historic buildings (many of their European flagships for example), but when building from scratch it's going to be modern and simple.
From the little that we've seen, I don't like the big blank wall on Stockton Street that looks bad and destroys the great angled staircase up to the existing plaza.
     
     
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The cover story from this week's San Francisco Business Times contains much that is thought provoking.

San Francisco rental construction soars
A $5 billion wave of apartment construction is now starting to wash over San Francisco. What will it change? Just about everything.


J.K. Dineen, Reporter - San Francisco Business Times

A historic $5 billion explosion of rental housing is about to dramatically reshape San Francisco’s skyline, neighborhoods and politics.
Ending last decade’s flirtation with high-end condo towers, the city is rattling and humming with the biggest burst of apartment construction witnessed since Joe Alioto was mayor in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Nearly 8,000 new apartments, mostly in mid-rise and high-rise buildings, will come on line between now and 2015 — 3,498 in 2015 alone. It’s more new rental housing than was built in the last 15 years combined, according to real estate research firm Polaris Pacific.

“I have never seen so much construction going on in my life,” said Angelo Sangiacomo of Trinity Properties, who has been building housing in San Francisco for 50 years.

Driven largely by the growth in San Francisco’s tech-fueled economy, the apartment boom will permanently change the pockets of the city where it is concentrated, including Mid-Market, Mission Bay, Potrero Hill, the Dogpatch, Rincon Hill and parts of SoMa. It’s expected to bring in thousands of new renters, mostly educated technology workers who can afford to pay up to $3,500 a month in rent for an 800-square-foot apartment. Such a large influx of affluent professionals in a short time could sharply alter voting patterns in districts long dominated by progressives, and tip the balance on hot-button local issues such as rent control and condo conversions.

The historic level of rental housing production is being celebrated by advocates of urban density and transit-oriented development. Gabriel Metcalf, executive director of the San Francisco Planning and Urban Research Association, calls the trend “unambiguously one of the best things that has happened in San Francisco in a long time.” Metcalf said the amount of housing, if sustained, has the potential to make San Francisco more affordable for everyone.
“It’s happening in all the right places, next to transit and jobs,” said Metcalf. “We don’t know what will happen if we build enough housing because we have never done it. We know what happens if we don’t build enough housing because we are living it.”

Leasing up quickly

So far the three apartment complexes that are finished are leasing up rapidly: the Emerald Fund’s 326-unit Rincon Green at 333 Harrison St., CityView’s 196-unit Potrero Launch at 2235 Third St. and AvalonBay’s 173-unit Avalon Ocean Avenue at 1200 Ocean Ave. All three have averaged monthly rents above $4 a square foot. AvalonBay’s project leased up fully in six months.

Rincon Green shows just how robust demand is. With studios renting for $2,186, one bedrooms for $2,846, and two-bedroom units for $3,590, Rincon Green started leasing in August. By April 1 it was 90 percent leased.

Using the usual yardstick that a renter shouldn’t pay more than 2.5 percent of annual gross income in monthly rent, tenants will need to be making $80,000 a year and up. “You are looking at some good salaries,” said Emerald Fund Leasing Manager Carl Wagner, who described the average renter as “young, female, and upwardly mobile.”

It’s the same story at Potrero Launch, said Tony Cardoza of CityView. Its 196 units are 85 percent leased at an average of $4.60 to $4.70 per square foot per month — more than 20 percent higher than they expected.
At both Potrero Launch and Rincon Green, more than 30 percent of residents work south of San Francisco. “The most surprising thing has been the number of candidates who work down on the Peninsula,” said Cardoza. “It speaks to the quality of life in San Francisco.”

A fourth complex will open in September: Avant Housing’s 194-unit Vara. Leasing started this month. The project features an on-location co-working space free to residents, as well as a woodworking studio, communal chef’s kitchen and bike repair shop, according to Avant principal Eric Tao, who said the renter pool has been surprisingly diverse. “The first $6,100-a-month penthouse was reserved by a family with three children relocating from London,” he said.

Political calculations

Skeptics say the two dozen construction cranes that now hover from Mission Bay to Upper Market are a sign of too much capital chasing too narrow a market. Rather than creating a broad range of housing that is affordable to an eclectic mix of people, the projects under construction are aimed almost entirely at young, wealthy technology workers who have embraced San Francisco as a vibrant and hip alternative to the traffic-choked suburban sprawl of Silicon Valley.

Ted Gullicksen of the San Francisco Tenants Union said, “We are so overbuilt on the high-end luxury end of housing, we just don’t need any more.”
“It’s the one area where we are exceeding goals,” he said. “We are falling way short for low- and medium-income housing. These buildings are all going up in places that could be sites for affordable housing.”
While the new housing is overwhelmingly rental, it’s unlikely that the new crop of renters will identify with the progressive rent-controlled voters who have dominated politics in neighborhoods like the Haight and the Mission, said longtime local political analyst David Latterman of the University of San Francisco. The upscale renters could tilt San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors toward more moderate, business-friendly views.
“There is a reason why the left has worked so hard to keep new housing construction out of the east side because they know that market-rate housing changes the demographics,” said Latterman. “You bring folks in of higher income and they are going to vote on economic interests, on schools, on things that make it easier for families to stay in San Francisco. They are going to be anything but progressive.”

Latterman said the changes would be gradual. “It takes a long time for people to move in, learn about the neighborhood issues and get politically active,” Latterman said. But in the long run, “every new renter who comes in to District 6 or District 10 reduces the chances of (a progressive) getting elected.”
However, Corey Cook, an associate professor of politics at University of San Francisco, said the huge amount of upscale housing could create a backlash similar to the powerful anti-development wave that emerged from the dot-com boom. “In politics, perception is what counts,” said Cook. “If the perception is that the economy is doing well, but only for a select few, and that there is a lot of housing being built, but only for a select few, it has the potential to raise concerns about rising housing prices and gentrification and the out-migration of low-income populations.”

From bust to bonanza

The current apartment boom is rooted in the dark days following the 2008 crash. Real estate investors reeling from losses on condos, office buildings and retail space identified urban apartment buildings as a safe haven for capital.
Developers including Urban Housing Group, Emerald Fund, Crescent Heights, Gerding Edlen and MacFarlane Partners scooped up San Francisco sites. Real estate investment trusts such as AvalonBay, flush with cash and already active in San Francisco apartment development, doubled down. Other REITs, such as BRE Properties, Equity Residential, UDR and Essex Property Trust piled in. Those five REITS have 17 projects under construction in the Bay Area, representing 5,084 units, or 34 percent of all housing under construction in the region, according to an International Strategy & Investment Group report.
Developers who bought up cheap development sites in 2009 or 2010 found themselves in an enviable position: They picked off land at the bottom of the cycle and bid out their jobs when the construction trades, facing 30 percent unemployment, were desperate for work.

And none did better than AvalonBay at Ocean Avenue. The REIT got a steal, paying just over $5.1 million for the site, or about $29,000 a unit. Meg Spriggs, vice president of development for AvalonBay, said, “After a seven-year process, we were lucky to hit the market when we did.” “It really is a lesson in diligence and the strength of a good underlying land deal,” she said. “Our yield exceeded all expectations — we will likely never see a yield like this in San Francisco again.” Since then, land values have jumped to $120,000 per buildable unit. And with construction costs up 5 to 8 percent year-over-year, developers are now paying $600,000 a unit to build high-end apartment towers.

Will supply exceed demand?

That combination of rapidly rising land and building costs, plus the impending flood of new units, could spell trouble for some builders.
MPF research says the broader SoMa area has 3,290 units under construction, with 1,876 units set for completion in 2013. It forecasts demand at 1,163 new apartments, a level that will “fall well short of concurrent new supply.”

San Francisco historically has been able to absorb 1,500 new units a year safely. Economists expect that this year the city will match the peak employment number reached in 2007, and jobs will continue to grow 3 percent a year through 2017. That will create about 17,000 new households in a city that is 63 percent renters. Veteran apartment developer Dan Deibel, who formerly headed Urban Housing Group, expects that there will be enough demand to absorb 7,500 to 8,000 new rental units.

“It’s going to be a little oversupplied, but not grossly oversupplied,” he said. “I am more optimistic than pessimistic about where we are in the cycle and the prospect of absorbing what’s in the pipeline.” If developers are stuck with half-vacant buildings, or are forced to lower rents to draw tenants, some could find themselves in violation of the terms of their loans. “It’s very easy in a period like this not to pay close attention to the terms because you don’t think that anything can go wrong — but this is exactly the time to be paying attention,” Deibel said. But the impending raft of new buildings has not dampened the optimism of developers like John Hyjer, Equity Residential’s vice president of investments for Northern California. The company has four projects totaling 800 units in progress in San Francisco. “Who could ask for better timing, with job creation that is occurring and all the social networking companies planting a flag in the city?” he said.
     
     
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That's such a fashion oriented side of Union Square...honestly I'm surprised Apple would go in the least foot-trafficked corner near Saks and the Taj hotel and other fine retailers who only need a few purchases a day to maintain their strong sales velocity.
You're forgetting that Apple drives traffic to places there wasn't before. And the current store is one of Apple's earliest and among its earliest store designs. What I like most about this new San Fran store is that this specific design is entirely new from them. I was just reading that many of their recent signature store models (Scottsdale and Upper West Side, for example), are retired after they are used a few times each. I guess this is the next look coming down the pipeline. I dig it
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The cover story from this week's San Francisco Business Times contains much that is thought provoking.

Will supply exceed demand?

That combination of rapidly rising land and building costs, plus the impending flood of new units, could spell trouble for some builders.
MPF research says the broader SoMa area has 3,290 units under construction, with 1,876 units set for completion in 2013. It forecasts demand at 1,163 new apartments, a level that will “fall well short of concurrent new supply.”

San Francisco historically has been able to absorb 1,500 new units a year safely. Economists expect that this year the city will match the peak employment number reached in 2007, and jobs will continue to grow 3 percent a year through 2017. That will create about 17,000 new households in a city that is 63 percent renters. Veteran apartment developer Dan Deibel, who formerly headed Urban Housing Group, expects that there will be enough demand to absorb 7,500 to 8,000 new rental units.

“It’s going to be a little oversupplied, but not grossly oversupplied,” he said. “I am more optimistic than pessimistic about where we are in the cycle and the prospect of absorbing what’s in the pipeline.” If developers are stuck with half-vacant buildings, or are forced to lower rents to draw tenants, some could find themselves in violation of the terms of their loans. “It’s very easy in a period like this not to pay close attention to the terms because you don’t think that anything can go wrong — but this is exactly the time to be paying attention,” Deibel said. But the impending raft of new buildings has not dampened the optimism of developers like John Hyjer, Equity Residential’s vice president of investments for Northern California. The company has four projects totaling 800 units in progress in San Francisco. “Who could ask for better timing, with job creation that is occurring and all the social networking companies planting a flag in the city?” he said.
Supply exceeding demand in SF? LOL

Even if there is a bit of "over-building," vacancy rates in SF will still be well below other cities. It might also mean that rents for 1 bedrooms won't go above 3500/month and ppl making 100k+ won't have to get roommates or have to live in East/South Bay
     
     
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....Nearly 8,000 new apartments, mostly in mid-rise and high-rise buildings, will come on line between now and 2015 — 3,498 in 2015 alone. It’s more new rental housing than was built in the last 15 years combined, according to real estate research firm Polaris Pacific.
Damn, I didn't realize it was 8,000 units--that's unprecedented for just a couple years' worth of construction! I know I see it in my neighborhood--there are five large residential buildings under construction within just two blocks of my apartment.

As for the rest of the article, I really don't know how much political change to expect. The city's already changed a lot, and will continue to do so over the years, but I would really be surpised if the new tenants are not progressive about certain things--war, gay rights, bike lanes--while mostly agnostic on other issues that have been causes-celebre for the traditional "Bay Guardian" left in SF, like height limits or forming a municipal electric utility. I doubt the new tenants will be charmed by the likes of Baby Daly or Raw Smirkarimi, but then, that whole Prog movement has been declining for years now.

I'm not sure rent control is in danger quite yet, either. The addition of 8,000 new unregulated units is no small deal, but there are still some 520,000 other renters in vote-happy San Francisco who won't likely be voting to increase rents anytime soon.

It's an amazing time to live here, though, I think we can all agree on that!
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and ppl making 100k+ won't have to get roommates or have to live in East/South Bay
Holy exaggeration batman!

If you're making $100,000 a year, you do NOT need roommates in SF, unless you need to eat caviar at every meal, heat your home by burning money, and need to fly your private jet every day. You should be able to live anywhere you want in SF on that kind of pay, comfortably, and definitely with no roommates. Hell, I make only $20,000 per year, and have my own apartment in SF (a studio), with no roommates! If I can do it, than someone making $100k can.
     
     
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Trinity Plaza, May 17, 2013

Saturday, May 18th, Trinity Plaza was a pile of rubble by the end of the day. An era has ended! Also the crane for Trinity Place was removed from the 2nd build.

And the crane was removed from the low rise of the NEMA at 10th and Market Streets


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May 19, 2013 - A view of the ruble pile that was once Trinity Plaza.


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100 Van Ness on Saturday, 5/18/13

The south side from Market Street:


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...and from Van Ness...


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Looking east on Fell:


Fell Street from NW corner of Van Ness by viewguysf, on Flickr

Unique crane mount on Fell Street/south side:


Crane Mount on south side by viewguysf, on Flickr

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Some pictures of 10th and Market, and some of the new crane at Trinity Place.







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Here's an article that's related to the previous one I posted above from last Friday's issue of the San Francisco Business Times.

Most new San Francisco apartments can’t convert to condos

J.K. Dineen, Reporter-San Francisco Business Times

Could San Francisco’s swing from condos to apartments swing back just as quickly? Not likely: Just 10 percent of the 8,000 apartments to be completed in the next three years are candidates for conversion, according to Polaris Pacific.
Of the 35 projects in the pipeline, just seven have a chance of converting to condominiums, it found. The vast majority do not, either because they are owned by a real estate investment trust or because they are financed by a fund specifically earmarked for rental housing.

Exceptions include Crescent Heights’ 320-unit 45 Lansing St. and Principal Real Estate Investors’ tower at One Rincon Hill. Other projects that could go condo include 333 Fremont St., 973 Market St. and 72 Townsend St. There are also five condo projects under construction. These include: Marlowe, Oyster Development’s 98-unit development at 1800 Van Ness; Linea, a 115-unit development at 1998 Market St.; and Pocket Development’s 300 Ivy St.
Chris Foley, a principal with Polaris Pacific, said apartments are fetching such high rents that it doesn’t make sense to convert them.
“You are not going to see many conversions, but you will see a balancing of inventory going forward,” said Foley.

Architect Glenn Rescalvo of Handel Architects, who is designing Crescent Heights’ Mid-Market project, said there is no difference in quality between the apartments and condos.
“There is not one rental building where the infrastructure is mediocre. They are all as good as any condo building we have done,” he said. “If you are going to pay that much up front, it doesn’t make sense to cut corners.”
Other developers are collecting sites to be ready for the next condo cycle. Trumark Urban has acquired six sites around the city and plans to build for-sale units on all of them.

“The shift back to condos is almost ready to start,” said Oz Erickson of the Emerald Fund, which develops both apartments and condos. “Selected projects with very strong sponsors are doing it. I will bet you One Rincon goes condo — even though it is being built for apartments.”
     
     
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