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pizzaguy · #**4641** Posted **May 11, 2013, 12:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by ozone

As you know ocean beach is cold, windy and foggy. You are right it's nothing like Miami! But I think plenty of people would pay good money to have an unobstructed view of the Pacific, above the fog line. High-rise condos were once proposed where the Sutro Baths used to be. I still think it would be a good idea.

Keep the high rises in downtown/SOMA. They don't belong anywhere else.

And don't ever mess with Sutro Baths.

jbm · #**4642** Posted **May 11, 2013, 5:41 PM**

a new red crane has appeared around market and van ness. looks to be just south of 100 van ness. may be connected to that project, but looks a little a little too far away from my vantage point.

update: i walked by, it is indeed for 100 van ness. first block of fell is closed to traffic.

update 2: at least two large squares of the old exterior were removed today. on the south facing (or southwest facing) side, the portions removed are from the middle column, two stories each. very noticeable from the street, at least when not fogged in.

viewguysf · #**4643** Posted **May 11, 2013, 7:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by fflint

This one's been active for a few weeks now. If it comes out like the render it's really going to be cool.

Duh...I don't know why I trust anything in the SF Biz Times without verifying it first since their architectural articles are often filled with inaccuracies, or in this case, late. I've seen the first project at Octavia and Market many times, but forgot that it's address was 8 Octavia (and not 2, 4, or 6). Was I hoping another project had started? Yes!

fflint · #**4644** Posted **May 11, 2013, 7:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by viewguysf

Duh...I don't know why I trust anything in the SF Biz Times without verifying it first since their architectural articles are often filled with inaccuracies, or in this case, late. I've seen the first project at Octavia and Market many times, but forgot that it's address was 8 Octavia (and not 2, 4, or 6). Was I hoping another project had started? Yes!

No worries, I just wanted to make sure nobody (else) was confused by the BizTimes!

ozone · #**4645** Posted **May 11, 2013, 8:10 PM**

According to SF Curbed 8 Washington is still very much in play. I had assumed otherwise. Why does Supe David Chiu hate this project so much?

fflint · #**4646** Posted **May 11, 2013, 8:55 PM**

8 Washington is only 'in play' in the sense that it will be on the ballot in November. As for Chiu--who knows why he does what he does. Not that he does much of anything but talk.

Personally, I don't like 8 Washington's variance for way too much parking--much of which will be rented out to the general public, and all of which will flood the Embarcadero with hundreds more cars. If they cut the parking back down to the zoned ratio I wouldn't oppose the project. Not that my opinion matters...until November, anyway!

viewguysf · #**4647** Posted **May 12, 2013, 6:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by jbm

a new red crane has appeared around market and van ness. looks to be just south of 100 van ness. may be connected to that project, but looks a little a little too far away from my vantage point.

update: i walked by, it is indeed for 100 van ness. first block of fell is closed to traffic.

update 2: at least two large squares of the old exterior were removed today. on the south facing (or southwest facing) side, the portions removed are from the middle column, two stories each. very noticeable from the street, at least when not fogged in.

I saw it today too and am thinking the facade panels removed first on the south side of the tower may be where the permanent construction crane will be attached to the building.

fimiak · #**4648** Posted **May 12, 2013, 7:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by pizzaguy

Keep the high rises in downtown/SOMA. They don't belong anywhere else.

And don't ever mess with Sutro Baths.

Why not build over Sutro Baths? I am not suggesting a high rise should go there, just wondering why you think the baths should be saved as they are. I would like to see something in the spot, even if its just a small park.

easy as pie · #**4649** Posted **May 12, 2013, 7:48 AM**

yeah, i'm a member of the sf historical society and the last event i hit (yeah, the broke ass stuart one) basically blew me away: the great highway and ocean beach area from the cliff house south used to be a very hardcore bar/roadhouse/amusement area. i'd love to see that re-established in some form. the whole foods development is a great start, but - no offense - you'd have to be an anti-urban type not to see the potential for a huge shift there. we could potentially create a second, more adult, fisherman's wharf. obviously, the idiots in this city would never suffer a tower in the area and self-sabotage is in the dna of the current generation of voters, so whatever, but it's still a great idea.

anyway, i took a couple photos of that red crane thing at 100 van ness, and started this post thinking i'd get them up, but my cable has stopped working for some reason, so i'll probably get it up tomorrow. it really was spectacular.

pizzaguy · #**4650** Posted **May 12, 2013, 10:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by fimiak

Why not build over Sutro Baths? I am not suggesting a high rise should go there, just wondering why you think the baths should be saved as they are. I would like to see something in the spot, even if its just a small park.

Because ruins are cooler than parks.

viewguysf · #**4651** Posted **May 12, 2013, 5:41 PM**

Mid morning on Sunday:

IMG_5955 by viewguysf, on Flickr

A temporary red crane removed two concrete panels from 100 Van Ness and is assembling a construction crane on the side of the tower to strip the remainder of the facade. A second temporary red crane to the left seems to be removing the construction crane from 1844 Market (next to the LGBT Center). Also in the photo are 2200 Market @ Sanchez on the bottom left, 2001 Market @ Dolores, 1998 Market @ Buchanan/Duboce, 1600 Market @ Franklin, both NEMA towers with their blue and white cranes (the 10th and Market Street tower is now two floors above neighboring Square headquarters), 55 Ninth (yellow crane next to south NEMA tower), and Trinity Place with the furthest right yellow crane.

mt_climber13 · #**4652** Posted **May 12, 2013, 8:53 PM**

This photo shows just how massive the Market Dolores and Buchanan projects on Market St. are.
*what is the wooden structure u/c at what appears to be Market/ Sanchez?

Not sure how I feel about these huge corporate type developments. Looking at this photo they look very out of place with the more narrow buildings nearby. I don't think big box residential is good for the city. Tall, slender towers, yes, Ikea midrises, no!

Although I really do like the Buchanan project. The Market/ Dolores just looks so generic. I guess it's all about the design rather than overall bulk. Some architects make bulk look good, which is a tough job.

pseudolus · #**4653** Posted **May 13, 2013, 1:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad

This photo shows just how massive the Market Dolores and Buchanan projects on Market St. are.
*what is the wooden structure u/c at what appears to be Market/ Sanchez?

This?

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2012/..._six_stories_to_rise_at_2200_market.html

viewguysf · #**4654** Posted **May 13, 2013, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by pseudolus

This?

Yes--that's 2200 Market Street @ Sanchez that shows from the southwest perspective at the very bottom left of my photo, versus from the northwest view in wakamesalad's. In his photo you can clearly see Beck's Motel beneath the new building. I've been thinking that the design may have been modified, but we'll have to wait and see. I hope it hasn't been value engineered for the worse.

viewguysf · #**4655** Posted **May 13, 2013, 3:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad

This photo shows just how massive the Market Dolores and Buchanan projects on Market St. are. Not sure how I feel about these huge corporate type developments. Looking at this photo they look very out of place with the more narrow buildings nearby. I don't think big box residential is good for the city. Tall, slender towers, yes, Ikea midrises, no!
Although I really do like the Buchanan project. The Market/Dolores just looks so generic. I guess it's all about the design rather than overall bulk. Some architects make bulk look good, which is a tough job.

So far, I'm really liking the 1844, 1998, and 2001 Market Street projects and feel that they're adding excitement to the neighborhood while not looking out of place. Conversely, I think highrises would be out of place here; plus, you couldn't fit a Whole Foods into a slender highrise. The buildings are all staggered in height too, from Noe to Franklin, which I also think looks good so far. I have high hopes for Octavia Gateway (8 Octavia) and 2175 Market @ 15th too. 2299 Market @ Noe looks generic to me so far. 1600 Market @ Franklin is rather fun, especially considering it's comprised entirely of the 24 BMR units for 1998 Market.

A different concern is that almost all of the eight projects have parking included, with 1844 Market entitled to an unusual 1 to 1 ratio for its 113 units. That's adding a lot of cars to this stretch of Upper Market. In addition to these, Trinity Place will have garage parking for 1,450 cars (!) with NEMA a paltry 265 by comparison, and 113 spaces for 55 9th Street. Adding the additional bikes and pedestrians to the mix, MTA really needs to get on the ball with MUNI!

viewguysf · #**4656** Posted **May 13, 2013, 3:48 AM**

Here's a shot from a little later in the day, after the weather turned really nice. Unfortunately, it became very windy just after noon, and the temporary cranes stopped working. You can see that the yellow tower crane mast has advanced upward on 100 Van Ness, but it stopped there for the day, probably due to the high winds.

Construction Frenzy on Sunday by viewguysf, on Flickr

philiprsf · #**4657** Posted **May 13, 2013, 5:09 AM**

Your pictures are wonderful... Hope you keep posting as the buildings progress.

timbad · #**4658** Posted **May 13, 2013, 7:15 AM**

3rd and Folsom recladding progress:

mt_climber13 · #**4659** Posted **May 13, 2013, 12:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by viewguysf

Here's a shot from a little later in the day, after the weather turned really nice. Unfortunately, it became very windy just after noon, and the temporary cranes stopped working. You can see that the yellow tower crane mast has advanced upward on 100 Van Ness, but it stopped there for the day, probably due to the high winds.

Construction Frenzy on Sunday by viewguysf, on Flickr

Is it weird that I'm going to miss that building?

viewguysf · #**4660** Posted **May 13, 2013, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad

Is it weird that I'm going to miss that building?

No--someone had previously said that after the project was first announced. Maybe you're a '70s retro guy! I personally won't miss it at all and will be happy when its re cladding is finished; as you can see, it is very prominent in the downtown portion of my view.