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Originally Posted by Cirrus
That's silly. You more than anyone know that constitutional rights are limited by time, place, and manner restrictions constantly. The second amendment doesn't come with an asterisk that says except felons, we made that a law without amending anything. Clearly getting anything at all through congress is nigh impossible, but that's a separate point.
Tangentially, I think liberals are right to be outraged that we can't pass something like background checks that broad majorities outside of congress support.
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He wasn't talking about background checks, or other permissible restrictions. His post asked, "you think you have a right to a 🞵🞵🞵?" He was going right to the core question ("you think you have a right to free speech?"). And the answer to those questions in unambiguously YES.
Yes, people have a right to be outraged that we can't get background checks through Congress (although, Colorado has managed to do that and more - so rather than complain, work through your states). I do think liberals have to shoulder some responsibility here though. You are never going to see eye to eye with the other side if you cannot accept a different way of life at even the most basic level. Nobody I talk to is arguing the fine details like time, place and manner restrictions. They are saying "you shouldn't have a right to a 🞵🞵🞵...you're stupid for wanting one...but we'll take background checks because it's all we can get for now." Given that, I don't fault the Republicans one bit for not being willing to budge at all, or work with liberals at all, on this issue. Because I don't believe that liberals see gray area here. Liberals would take every restriction they could feasibly get, right up to the point of piling up all 🞵🞵🞵🞵 and burning them Australia-style, if they could get it (they just know they can't). There's no trust on this issue between the two sides, and I think that's probably right - there shouldn't be.
I see liberals acting on 🞵🞵🞵🞵 very much like conservatives act on abortion - they'll chip away wherever they can, but we all know what they really want - to eliminate it/them. (And for every crazy anti-abortion South Dakota we can point to, they can cite a DC or Chicago that actually has at some point attempted to ban 🞵🞵🞵🞵.)
(Not to mention, I don't think background checks would make a lick of difference, so while I would obviously have voted for background checks, I kind of shrug, sigh and move on with my life.)