PITTSBURGH | Development Rundown II

[photoLith]

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I was being sarcastic.

[Topher51]

Originally Posted by photoLith

Holy 🞵🞵🞵🞵? 25 billion. Where in the hell did they get that kind of money?

I would imagine a ton of it came from insurance.

[Topher51]

Originally Posted by Steel City Scotty

I'm curious about this as well. The renderings of One Grandview look amazing, and it's a project that I'm extremely excited about, although I realize there's still a decent chance that it never happens.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/busi...r-mount-washington-hotel-project-670959/

The developer is looking for additional investors. I know some of the architects at the firm designing it and they seem pretty confident it will eventually move forward.

[glowrock]

Originally Posted by Jonboy1983

bingo... Thank you, photoLith.

In a nutshell, they're overpaid crybabies. I know I'm coming off a bit harsh, but here's an example. You remember the turnpike strike some 10 years ago? You know how much money they were making to collect money and make change? Give up? It was somewhere in the ballpark of $70k or so. Talk about being a well-paid cashier! Another example, you want to make six figures as a police officer? Move to Camden, NJ.

It's one thing to want a fair wage, but it's another thing to want/demand something that is just flat out unreasonable and get away with it... -- I know it's a small factor, but it is, in a nutshell, why I don't like 'em...

Rather than discuss this, which can get heated in a second, how about discussing something else that could impact the Airport.

The Trib is also reporting that the Bankruptcy Court approved of the US/AA merger. And, US said that half of its employees at the flight ops center in Moon are getting some severance package (if I read that right). I can't remember if they are union or non-union tho, but that part doesn't matter. The main thing is it is likely that the center will close. Heck, at least they're being up front about this...

Wow, I guess sarcasm doesn't work over the internet, eh?

As for US Scareways, at this point I think Pittsburgh and Allegheny County just need to throw them the hell out of dodge and tell them to get lost. Also sue them for the tens of millions of incentives the County's thrown at them for for many years already. Screw US Scareways and screw the jackasses that run the airline.

Aaron (Glowrock)

[Found5dollar]

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/busi...-shore-office-retail-development-681239/

Yea for more development on the northshore.

Ugh for a skybridge.

[Austinlee]

Originally Posted by Found5dollar

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/busi...-shore-office-retail-development-681239/

Yea for more development on the northshore.

Ugh for a skybridge.

Perhaps you could join the skywalk nimby discussion here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=204577

[pyrohy]

Someone on the thread mentiond about Colteryahn Dairy in Carrick. Below is an article from the South Pittsburgh reporter.

http://www.sopghreporter.com/story/2013/...kicks-off-on-brownsville-road/13346.html

Dairy District development kicks off on Brownsville Road

March 26, 2013 | Vol. 73 No. 35

Located in the heart of commerce on Brownsville Road, Colteryahn Dairy has been serving Pittsburgh for 96 years, providing quality dairy products and employing scores of local residents.

Now, it’s bringing something else to the area—inspiration, and the potential for new business.

Colteryahn Dairy will serve as the anchor for a unique regional destination, to be called the “Dairy District.” The creation of this attraction is being facilitated by multiple Pittsburgh resources, representatives of which convened last Monday morning to mark the kickoff of the project and give a brief breakdown of the Dairy District development process.

Great history on Pittsburgh's last dairy availabe here: http://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/Colteryahn%27s_Dairy

[cdc]

here a link with info on the latest CMU project. claims to be
updating the photos "every few minutes" (clearly they are
in the early phases of construction right now).

http://www.cit.cmu.edu/media/multimedia/scott_hall.html

[Jonboy1983]

Originally Posted by glowrock

Wow, I guess sarcasm doesn't work over the internet, eh?

As for US Scareways, at this point I think Pittsburgh and Allegheny County just need to throw them the hell out of dodge and tell them to get lost. Also sue them for the tens of millions of incentives the County's thrown at them for for many years already. Screw US Scareways and screw the jackasses that run the airline.

Aaron (Glowrock)

Usually I can spot sarcasm a mile away. Apparently that sense must not have been fully operational. Regarding US Air and American, I really don't care what happens with that anymore.

Originally Posted by pyrohy

Someone on the thread mentiond about Colteryahn Dairy in Carrick. Below is an article from the South Pittsburgh reporter.

http://www.sopghreporter.com/story/2013/...kicks-off-on-brownsville-road/13346.html




Great history on Pittsburgh's last dairy availabe here: http://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/Colteryahn%27s_Dairy

Having a dairy district? Intriguing idea to spur reinvestment in this neighborhood. I'd like to see what becomes of it.

[qwho]

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/busi...e-tenants-in-downtown-pittsburgh-681417/

No decision yet on the Smithfield st 33 story building...

[Wheelingman04]

Originally Posted by glowrock

Wow, I guess sarcasm doesn't work over the internet, eh?

As for US Scareways, at this point I think Pittsburgh and Allegheny County just need to throw them the hell out of dodge and tell them to get lost. Also sue them for the tens of millions of incentives the County's thrown at them for for many years already. Screw US Scareways and screw the jackasses that run the airline.

Aaron (Glowrock)

I agree 100%!!

[acenturi]

Originally Posted by glowrock

Wow, I guess sarcasm doesn't work over the internet, eh?

As for US Scareways, at this point I think Pittsburgh and Allegheny County just need to throw them the hell out of dodge and tell them to get lost. Also sue them for the tens of millions of incentives the County's thrown at them for for many years already. Screw US Scareways and screw the jackasses that run the airline.

Aaron (Glowrock)

It isn't that easy. Any airport which receives government funding, including FAA support, cannot refuse access to an airline which requests it. Even airports like JFK, which is severly restricted during prime times, must grant a certified carrier access. In the case of PIT, I really doubt there could be a case for refusal based on activity. The only way that US/AA could potentially be pushed out is if a major carrier decided to begin (significant) services to the same top 5 business destinations - New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Boston and DC.. and those services and FF perks where sufficiently better than US/AA to cause business travelers to switch. IMO, if it didn't happen before the US/AA merger, the chances are very low it'll happen after. An example of how ingrained Pittsburgh travelers are with US, is the less than stellar performance of Jet Blue.

[Jonboy1983]

Originally Posted by qwho

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/busi...e-tenants-in-downtown-pittsburgh-681417/

No decision yet on the Smithfield st 33 story building...

From the way that article is worded, it looks like Oxford has a strong preference to build the high rise.

I did not care for the one person's remark; why build a high rise for a city that is losing population. Well, you'll be happy to know that two people put her in her place. As of five seconds ago, a third one did.

[BrianTH]

Interesting summary of regional, state, and national population trends:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/loca...ly-struggle-with-population-loss-681566/

More numbers here:

http://pasdc.hbg.psu.edu/sdc/pasdc_files/researchbriefs/2012_County_Estimates_RB.pdf

Outside of the urban counties of Southeast PA, Allegheny was one of the top gross gainers in the state from 2010 to 2012, which in some ways is more significant than percentage changes since you can't really project percentage gains in lower-population counties indefinitely into the future. In fact in gross terms, Allegheny gained population at a rate (+5990) over five times faster than Butler (+1108) and over six times faster than Washington (+896).

And I might note it is just a matter of time before these trends, assuming they continue in general form (and there is every reason to believe they will do so), permanently change the nature of state politics in favor of greater state investment in (aka less wealth transfer out of) the state's larger urban counties. And there is no sign shale gas is doing much to change that dynamic--significant money will be made in rural counties as a result of shale gas, but it won't result in a dramatic change in long term rural population trends.

[Austinlee]

^ *sigh* My home county of Beaver still showing losses. a 2% loss in population from 2010-2012. When I was born at the Beaver Medical Center in 1981, the county was near peak with approx. 210,000 residents. It has since lost population I believe ever single year I've been alive now at about 170,000 residents. Nearly 40,000 people left when I came onto the scene. WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG? I SHOWER NEARLY EVERY DAY!

[Evergrey]

Beaver County is seeing net migration gains, however. Most counties in the Pittsburgh Metro are.

[Austinlee]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

Beaver County is seeing net migration gains, however. Most counties in the Pittsburgh Metro are.

Wouldn't "net migration" mean Beaver should be gaining people?

[LMich]

Originally Posted by Austinlee

Wouldn't "net migration" mean Beaver should be gaining people?

If the county is losing population with a positive migration, the implication is that natural increase (or in this case, natural decrease), you know, death vs. births, is wiping out any net migration increases. The good news, though, is that you've turned around one component of growth, and hopefully, the gain is among younger folks, which should eventually reach a point of turning around the natural increase numbers. Evergrey's right; it's about the direction of a trend, and Beaver County's population is headed in a better direction than it was.

[Jonboy1983]

Originally Posted by LMich

If the county is losing population with a positive migration, the implication is that natural increase (or in this case, natural decrease), you know, death vs. births, is wiping out any net migration increases. The good news, though, is that you've turned around one component of growth, and hopefully, the gain is among younger folks, which should eventually reach a point of turning around the natural increase numbers. Evergrey's right; it's about the direction of a trend, and Beaver County's population is headed in a better direction than it was.

I think Westmoreland County is still experiencing this as well. It's only a matter of time before counties like Beaver and Westmoreland start to see overall net growth. Exciting times are ahead for Pittsburgh!!!

[popstar]

There seems to be so much momentum right now in Pittsburgh, and the development to me seems like mostly positive development that will spur a thriving city. I'm fairly new to Pittsburgh, so I'm wondering if the development going on now and the vibe/energy in the city feels different than other "renaissance" periods in the last 30 years or so. If so, why/how?