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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 4:04 PM
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So... will we ever see a unified LRT/bus fleet, in terms of decoration?

I realize I'm being a bit impatient but it just seems weird that several years after the big branding exercise, half the trains I see still sprout the old blue 'n' pink. It feels like by the time these get changed, we'll be onto the next hot colour scheme.

My perception is probably coloured by the fact that all the older trains are on the NW-S line, due to the inability of the WLRT to handle them. Not that I'm complaining there; I *still* prefer the layout of the U2s over any other car CT has in service.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 4:25 PM
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I've always thought that something should be built inside the massive 16th Ave/Barlow interchange.
That's a good one because its a quadrocloverleaf - which means it's easy for a vehicle inside a cloverleaf to depart in any direction.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 6:54 PM
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Interesting. I wonder if it would make sense to build a few bus barns at different points along the ring road. Bus barns also seem like a good use for undesirable land right adjacent to the highway. Hell - build it inside a clover leaf! Like a suburban Batcave...
Might be a decent place for fire stations too...
The RouteAhead maps show future bus barns in the far north central off Stoney near Deerfoot (i.e. the one we're talking about), in the northwest off Stoney near the Bearspaw water treatment plant, in the far south near Macleod and 22X, and in the central industrial area off Ogden Road near the Bonnybrook wastewater treatment plant. There's also a future LRT garage south of 210th Ave, and a note saying that the SE/NC LRT will have a facility at an undetermined location, although - hint hint - it will go right past the future facility off Ogden Road.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 8:32 PM
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The RouteAhead maps show future bus barns in the far north central off Stoney near Deerfoot (i.e. the one we're talking about), in the northwest off Stoney near the Bearspaw water treatment plant, in the far south near Macleod and 22X, and in the central industrial area off Ogden Road near the Bonnybrook wastewater treatment plant. There's also a future LRT garage south of 210th Ave, and a note saying that the SE/NC LRT will have a facility at an undetermined location, although - hint hint - it will go right past the future facility off Ogden Road.
Thanks. My eyes must have glazed over when I read "bus barns" or "maintenance facility".
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 9:15 PM
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My perception is probably coloured by the fact that all the older trains are on the NW-S line, due to the inability of the WLRT to handle them. Not that I'm complaining there; I *still* prefer the layout of the U2s over any other car CT has in service.
Not true. At all. The U2s can, and have, run up to the West line.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 9:50 PM
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Not true. At all. The U2s can, and have, run up to the West line.
Oh? I was told that they can't, which is why the WLRT has all the new cars. In fact I read it here, if memory serves.

When running to 7th Ave to get a train home at the end of the day, I've generally been able to tell without seeing the signs if it's my train or not. If it's U2s, it's always been NW.

Am I completely wrong here? Is it just a weird coincidence? Because it seemed like a lot more of the newest (side seating) cars were on the NW line until December. Strange that they'd be on the NE-WLRT line given their higher capacities, which is much more needed on the S-NW line.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 9:57 PM
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Oh? I was told that they can't, which is why the WLRT has all the new cars. In fact I read it here, if memory serves.

When running to 7th Ave to get a train home at the end of the day, I've generally been able to tell without seeing the signs if it's my train or not. If it's U2s, it's always been NW.

Am I completely wrong here? Is it just a weird coincidence? Because it seemed like a lot more of the newest (side seating) cars were on the NW line until December. Strange that they'd be on the NE-WLRT line given their higher capacities, which is much more needed on the S-NW line.
I think there is some truth to this. Either that the SD-160s have an easier time going up the hill to the west, or just that CT is trying to run similar trains on the same line for other operational reasons. But I notice the same thing. If it is a U2 it is going NW and the SD-160s go to the west (it doesn't really matter for me as I travel between 8th street and City Hall).
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 10:13 PM
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Oh? I was told that they can't, which is why the WLRT has all the new cars. In fact I read it here, if memory serves.

When running to 7th Ave to get a train home at the end of the day, I've generally been able to tell without seeing the signs if it's my train or not. If it's U2s, it's always been NW.

Am I completely wrong here? Is it just a weird coincidence? Because it seemed like a lot more of the newest (side seating) cars were on the NW line until December. Strange that they'd be on the NE-WLRT line given their higher capacities, which is much more needed on the S-NW line.
I would suspect (but this is a guess) that the goal is to keep the U2s on the NW-S line operating out of the Anderson garage, and the SD160s on the NE-W line operating out of the OBMF as much as possible. From an expertise, tools, spare parts, driver familiarity, etc. perspective, it is probably more efficient to keep the two trains as separate as possible.

The higher capacities thing would only be relevant if the two routes had the same number of trains running; but from 7:00-8:00 AM, 27 trains pass City Hall heading westbound; 17 from Somerset and 10 from Saddletowne. So the higher capacity per vehicle can be used to run fewer trains on the one line to permit more trains on the other, and given we're still talking about ~5 minute headways, this isn't a big issue. (I think I vaguely remember the two being a little more balanced a few years ago.)
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 10:25 PM
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Oh? I was told that they can't, which is why the WLRT has all the new cars. In fact I read it here, if memory serves.

When running to 7th Ave to get a train home at the end of the day, I've generally been able to tell without seeing the signs if it's my train or not. If it's U2s, it's always been NW.

Am I completely wrong here? Is it just a weird coincidence? Because it seemed like a lot more of the newest (side seating) cars were on the NW line until December. Strange that they'd be on the NE-WLRT line given their higher capacities, which is much more needed on the S-NW line.
You are correct that U2s run almost exclusively on the 201 line, but it's not because they can't run up to the West, it's because CT decided that U2s would only be stored at Anderson Garage. Since OBMF is only SD160s, and all 202 trains come from OBMF, that means that there are no U2s on the west line. Rumours are that they're going to scrap the plan an move U2s back to OB, but time will tell.

U2s run up to the west as floater trains or the occasional diversion if there's some sort of service disruption. No problems with a full U2 going up there so far, and no restrictions have been placed on what vehicles can go where. It climbs the hill (only a little) slower, but does the job.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 10:43 PM
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No problems with a full U2 going up there so far, and no restrictions have been placed on what vehicles can go where. It climbs the hill (only a little) slower, but does the job.
Great to know the U2s could make it up WLRT line. Like Freeweed I was also uinder the impression the U2s were under performance restrictions on the West LRT.

Could you quantify the performance issue mentioned in the last sentence? Does slower mean the difference between 60kph and 70kph or is more like 35kph "I think I can, I think I can".

     
     
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 6:47 AM
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Great to know the U2s could make it up WLRT line. Like Freeweed I was also uinder the impression the U2s were under performance restrictions on the West LRT.

Could you quantify the performance issue mentioned in the last sentence? Does slower mean the difference between 60kph and 70kph or is more like 35kph "I think I can, I think I can".

I've never driven a U2 up there with a full load, but during the testing phase, the U2 was only 2km/h slower up the hill than a SD160. Neither one really climbs the hill very well to be honest.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 2:17 PM
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You are correct that U2s run almost exclusively on the 201 line, but it's not because they can't run up to the West, it's because CT decided that U2s would only be stored at Anderson Garage. Since OBMF is only SD160s, and all 202 trains come from OBMF, that means that there are no U2s on the west line. Rumours are that they're going to scrap the plan an move U2s back to OB, but time will tell.

U2s run up to the west as floater trains or the occasional diversion if there's some sort of service disruption. No problems with a full U2 going up there so far, and no restrictions have been placed on what vehicles can go where. It climbs the hill (only a little) slower, but does the job.
And this, folks, is precisely why I read these forums. Thanks a ton for the insight, my friend!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 3:58 PM
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And this, folks, is precisely why I read these forums. Thanks a ton for the insight, my friend!
I couldn't agree more. The amount of high-quality, straight-from-the-horse's-mouth info is invaluable!

In other news, CT is opening up their Anderson Garages for behind the scenes tours on April 20 and 21: http://www.calgarytransit.com/html/backstage_2013.html
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 7:48 PM
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And this, folks, is precisely why I read these forums. Thanks a ton for the insight, my friend!
My pleasure
I'm constantly learning new things about my own workplace on here!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 11:15 PM
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So... will we ever see a unified LRT/bus fleet, in terms of decoration?

I realize I'm being a bit impatient but it just seems weird that several years after the big branding exercise, half the trains I see still sprout the old blue 'n' pink. It feels like by the time these get changed, we'll be onto the next hot colour scheme.
Nah, we're never going to see a unified colour scheme. Not unless they keep this one for 40 years.

I mean... —, don't we still have a few of the old GM Detroit Diesel buses in the double-blue scheme still kicking around? They've got to be pushing 35-40 years old.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2013, 5:53 AM
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Nah, we're never going to see a unified colour scheme. Not unless they keep this one for 40 years.

I mean... —, don't we still have a few of the old GM Detroit Diesel buses in the double-blue scheme still kicking around? They've got to be pushing 35-40 years old.
Just one. #1046
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2013, 4:39 PM
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The trains were packed this weekend! Great to see Calgary!! I was looking forward to a nice quiet day on the train with the BF to go see a movie up at crowfoot. I was pleasantly surprised at how busy it was. 5 years ago, there were hardly any people on the train on weekends.
     
     
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Also, I used Calgary Transit's "trip planner" for the bus and was also pleasantly surprised at the efficiency of the system. Not bad Calgary, not bad! I had to switch buses 3 times but it all went really well.
     
     
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Volunteers wanted

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I am hoping that some of the more enthusiastic members of the forum will be willing to volunteer some of their time to become involved in a citizen driven transit initiative for the upcoming 2013 municipal election. The level of discussions that are frequently held on this forum show the level of passion that members have for making Calgary one of the best cities in the world to call home. I think that the majority of members would agree that in order for that to happen, our goal should be creating an environmentally, socially and fiscally sustainable community built around a solid primary transit network. With that in mind, I have become a founding member of an organization that has started to lay the foundation for an initiative that I hope will drive real change in Calgary.

Alternative funding for civic projects has become a widely discussed topic over the last few months. Our organization feels that lack of funding is the largest barrier currently standing between the Calgary of today and the city we all hope to see in the future. The funding issue will have the greatest impact on large rapid transit projects and the associated benefits to the surrounding communities that they are capable of bringing. To address this issue, the smarterCity.ca initiative was created and has authored a report entitled "Paying Our Own Way: The Case for a Fuel Surcharge in the City of Calgary". The conclusion reached in the report is that the addition of a $0.10/L fuel surcharge with-in Calgary will be able to provide funding for the immediate construction of the South East LRT to Seton as well as the North Central LRT to North Pointe in a way that should be cost neutral to the average Calgarian.

Any new tax is a risky proposal for a politician and requires the expenditure of a large amount of political capital to promote. We do not foresee this happening in an election year. However we do feel that the current Calgary City Council, would be receptive to the idea if it was brought forward by an independent group and framed as a request for a plebiscite. That way any candidate would not have to campaign in support of the surcharge and could instead simply agree to implement it should that be the decision of Calgarians.

Today marks the launch of the smarterCity.ca website and the beginning of the second phase of our initiative. Over the next month, we will proceed with a grass-roots campaign to promote the idea of a plebiscite. We plan on approaching various community organizations and business groups to solicit feedback and support prior to bringing the matter to the attention of council and the media in mid-May.

We are hoping to add to our volunteer base by looking for individuals who would be interested in helping take our message out into the community.

Please check out our website at http://www.smartercity.ca and become informed.

Contact information is available on the website for anyone who may be interested or you can also feel free to PM me on the forum.

With any luck, by the end of the decade a LRT line that stretches from the far north to the deep south-east will be more than something that is just discussed on a forum and instead will be a reality that will serve to benefit generations of Calgarians.
     
     
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