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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 3:36 PM
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The Salt Lake CSA now includes the Provo MSA in addition to the Ogden MSA.

Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT Combined Statistical Area
  • Heber, UT Micropolitan Statistical Area
  • Ogden-Clearfield, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Provo-Orem, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Salt Lake City, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Summit Park, UT Micropolitan Statistical Area

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/bulletins/2013/b13-01.pdf

That will move the Salt Lake CSA from the 29th largest to the 21st largest in America I believe, and should be at 18 largest within the next few years.
It's about time they added Provo to Salt Lake's MSA.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 4:06 PM
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It's about time they added Provo to Salt Lake's MSA.
Well, they added Provo to SLC's CSA (not MSA), but yeah, that's good.

SLC's MSA actually went down (not by a ton, though) as they removed summit county from the MSA..
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 4:21 PM
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New MSA estimates, with addition and removal of some counties for some MSAs.

Salt Lake:
1,123,712
Ogden: 612,441
Provo: 550,845
St. George: 144,809
Logan: 128,306

Ogden MSA had a decent jump with the addition.
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The Salt Lake CSA now includes the Provo MSA in addition to the Ogden MSA.

Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT Combined Statistical Area
  • Heber, UT Micropolitan Statistical Area
  • Ogden-Clearfield, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Provo-Orem, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Salt Lake City, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Summit Park, UT Micropolitan Statistical Area

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/bulletins/2013/b13-01.pdf

That will move the Salt Lake CSA from the 29th largest to the 21st largest in America I believe, and should be at 18 largest within the next few years.

It's about time!!!

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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 4:53 PM
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It's about time!!!

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While good news, it seems that MSAs (and thus the MSA population) are more associated with cities than CSAs.

In the eyes of most of the country, SLC will still be seen as the same as places like Buffalo, Oklahoma City, Rochester, Birmingham, etc. All of these cities have CSAs that are pretty much the same as their MSA. SLC's CSA is more than DOUBLE it's MSA. That is significant.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 7:34 PM
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Air was bad here during that time of year even when there was 1/4 the population back in the 50's.

As much as you want to believe we can change it, we can't. It's the physical characteristics of where we live.
What!? Ha ha. We can't change the air quality? We can totally change it.

The reason the pollution was bad in the '50s, despite lower population is because everyone was using wood burning stoves and some were even still using coal burning stoves.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 7:44 PM
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While good news, it seems that MSAs (and thus the MSA population) are more associated with cities than CSAs.

In the eyes of most of the country, SLC will still be seen as the same as places like Buffalo, Oklahoma City, Rochester, Birmingham, etc. All of these cities have CSAs that are pretty much the same as their MSA. SLC's CSA is more than DOUBLE it's MSA. That is significant.
MSAs are probably more indicative of a city's influence in most cases. I don't see us on the level of Cincinnati, Kansas City, Milwaukee and even Pittsburgh ... at least, not yet, anyway.
     
     
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MSAs are probably more indicative of a city's influence in most cases. I don't see us on the level of Cincinnati, Kansas City, Milwaukee and even Pittsburgh ... at least, not yet, anyway.
I don't disagree, but it seems that most cities have a CSA that is fairly similar to their MSA, so SLC is quite the anomaly.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 8:07 PM
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I don't disagree, but it seems that most cities have a CSA that is fairly similar to their MSA, so SLC is quite the anomaly.
Salt Lake's an anomaly in a lot of those numbers - like in market size. Most states have more than one television market and yet, in Utah, the Salt Lake market is the entire state.



As you can see, we're the only state in the continental U.S. with one media market (maybe Rhode Island and a few other really small eastern states too, but I can't tell on this map).
     
     
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As you can see, we're the only state in the continental U.S. with one media market.
Which is quite weird. If Idaho Falls, Twin Falls and other such small towns have their own market, it's weird that St. George doesn't have their own.

That said, you are correct, it is a plus for SLC in that the whole state counts towards SLC's TV numbers. So plus for the DMA, minus for the CSA.
     
     
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As for the PAC tower, we have no idea when it will rise. The PAC will begin construction next year, and part of that construction will be the foundation work for the PAC tower. The PAC tower will be built when they get enough pre-leasing agreements signed.
Yes that is true. From my understanding the Theater will be break ground Jan. 2014 and part of that development would include the basement ( as you said ) as well as the lobby ( street level and 2nd floor ) much like what see saw with the Cascade at City Creek Center.
However the Office demand isn't nearly as bad as the Condo demand, so I'm not really sure just how far back the Tower might have to wait, but I don't see it taking nearly as long as we have been waiting for the Cascade to finally get built. Still like to think that the PAC Tower might go up around the same time as the theater if not maybe a year behind it at most. ( I hope )
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25 most popular states to move to this year


North Dakota...#1

Wyoming.........#2

South Carolina #3

Texas.............#4

Colorado.........#5

Arizona...........#6

Nevada...........#9

Utah..............#21

Idaho.............#24


http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1378/0/25...popular-states-to-move-to-this-year.html

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New MSA estimates, with addition and removal of some counties for some MSAs.

Salt Lake:
1,123,712
Ogden: 612,441
Provo: 550,845
St. George: 144,809
Logan: 128,306

Ogden MSA had a decent jump with the addition.
What did they add for Ogden, may I ask?
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What did they add for Ogden, may I ask?
Nevermind, they added Box Elder County.

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25 most popular states to move to this year


North Dakota...#1

Wyoming.........#2

South Carolina #3

Texas.............#4

Colorado.........#5

Arizona...........#6

Nevada...........#9

Utah..............#21

Idaho.............#24


http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1378/0/25...popular-states-to-move-to-this-year.html


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Utah is a bit high on that list at 21. I'm sure our backwards laws play a big role in that.
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I'm with Wasatch on this: There isn't too much more we can do about the air quality among the Wasatch Front, that hasn't been done. We have no burn days, should we have no drive days? When I was a young kid we lived in Orem before we moved to St. George. I remember my parents split a load of coal with some of our neighbors. We burned coal all winter long. Not legal anymore. The winters along the Wasatch Front used to be a lot worse than they are now. Though there was poor air quality this year, please remember that this year was an aberration, not the norm.
I'm not advocating against better air. I'm just trying to remind some of you that again, the sky is not falling.
I would have to disagree that everything has been done that can be done. I remember when I lived in the Bay Area being able to ride the bus/train for free on the first 5 "spare the air" days of the year. On our worst inversion days, UTA could offer free transit fares with the State picking up the tab. With all the money spent on roads, I`m sure the State could spare a few million dollars to fund such a program - and it would be relatively cheap considering its effectiveness.

Another big problem is pollution from industrial sources. UT industry is subject to the same regulations as the rest of the nation when the rest of the country does not have stifling inversions to deal with like we do. We could put tougher regulations in place during the worst inversion months (mid Dec through mid Feb) much like they make gas refineries create "seasonal blends" to reduce emissions. I know Rio Tinto is taking voluntary steps to reduce its carbon foot print. Why can`t the State make it compulsory for all companies to reduce emissions, particularly during those 2 months of the year? We are in the midst of a natural gas boom - having taken Russia for 2nd place this year and poised to overtake Saudi Arabia in the next year or two. While not completely emission free, natural gas burns much cleaner than coal and oil and stays in the atmosphere for only a decade or so vs a century and a half for coal and oil fumes. UTA and school districts state-wide could convert buses over to natural gas-burning engines much like they have in Europe or Ethanol blends like they have in Brazil.

Progress never stops. If we sit here and decide that we have done everything, and there is nothing more that we could possibly do, then we might as well just say that everything worth inventing has already been invented. Why bother innovating any further?
     
     
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Utah is a bit high on that list at 21. I'm sure our backwards laws play a big role in that.
Remember, Utah was #5 in the tally of fastest growing States for 2013. Basically, unlike most of the other States, Utah is able to expand it's employment opportunities fast enough to keep up with it's high birth rate. Being the top ranked State in the nation for doing business comes from also creating a lot of very forward pro-business laws.
     
     
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Utah also creates a lot of cheap jobs. We rank 41st in per capita income. It does balance out because it's cheap to live here - but a lot of businesses relocate here because it's cheap.
     
     
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A lot of businesses locate to Utah for many positive reasons.
     
     
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A lot of businesses locate to Utah for many positive reasons.
No one said there aren't positive reasons why businesses relocate here. But in reality, it's cheap to open up business in Utah. That's just a fact. We don't have high wages here and because the cost of living is so cheap, they can get away with it better than, say, in California.
     
     
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