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Old Posted Mar 13, 2013, 1:06 AM
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That looks massive. A bit too massive.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2013, 1:16 AM
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It's higher than it otherwise would be due to underground parking. If they choose to not use underground parking, the building would be only about 1 storey high on the Cumberland Street side.
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That looks massive. A bit too massive.
Not really when you consider what the building is proposed to house. Look at most other sporting facilities and multiplex type buildings out there and they are all large buildings. There is no way to build it small.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2013, 1:36 AM
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The site is a bit bigger than most, it doesn't look like it but that is actually quite a large block, which is probably why the bus terminal ended up on it.

I just realized, it would be really cool if we still had a functioning CP railway station there, with the bus depot.
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Woah! that is huge... but then again, I suppose that's what she said.






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They've been discussing a multiplex for two years. It will replace the lot the Watrerfront bus depot is on. The bus depot will become a kiosk in the multiplex on Cumberland Street.


http://www.ceiarchitecture.com/2013/01/t...vent-centre-feasibility-study-completed/




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So, what is this multiplex?
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2013, 11:38 PM
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Replacement for the Fort William Gardens, and a convention space. The arena will have at least 5,000 seats and the convention centre will be larger than anything we currently have.
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That's awesome! Wow, all this great news keeps pouring out of Tbay!

anymore cool low-rise proposals like the one at Kilroy?
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2013, 12:37 AM
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No, but I've recently found that a lot of buildings in that area have really nice apartments in them now, a recent development. The exteriors don't look flashy but they're definitely not lower-end units.
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The provincial and federal governments are joining forces (and funds) to rehabilitate 11 bridges on Highways 11, 17 and 61 in NWO. The only bridge in the Thunder Bay area that will be worked on is the Pine River Bridge on Hwy 61 towards the border. The work will be undertaken over the next 2 years.

http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/269083/Bridging-the-gap

The vacancy rate in Thunder Bay has hit a province-wide low of 1.1%. The Thunder Bay DSSAB is reporting social housing vacancy is zero, with a waiting list 1800 names long. We really need to some apartment buildings to go up now that the condo market seems to be getting satisfied. Condos are just that much more profitable for developers though, and there is less to look after than with apartments, so who can really blame them.

http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/268669/No-vacancy

Some rumours are starting to circulate that the White River sawmill will be re-opened. Supposedly the mill has been purchased by Frank Dottori (Tembec founder, no longer affiliated with the company though and one of the instrumental people in bringing Birla to Terrace Bay). He would be interested in the mill since it would be able to sell its chips and sawdust to Terrace Bay for pulping and for fueling the boiler.
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We have a government agency that is responsible for building rental housing, why is it not doing that?
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We have a government agency that is responsible for building rental housing, why is it not doing that?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

We have government agencies that are supposed to do a lot of things that are not getting done. Too much is spent on operating/overhead costs and not enough remains to do what they are actually supposed to be doing. That is how I see it anyways.
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It's an Ontario-specific problem. When I was in Winnipeg last summer, there was a wide variety of social housing developments going on all around the city, and many of them were quite successful.

Thunder Bay, arguably, needs this kind of development more than any other city in the province, but it doesn't even really get raised by our representatives, let alone discussed by the government itself. I seem to recall Dalton McGuinty saying he would provide more funding for affordable housing, but we haven't seen a single unit built in this city since Bob Rae was premier.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2013, 12:34 AM
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Propose a social housing project in this city and watch the backlash begin. No one wants social housing developed in their neighbourhood. I don't think this would necessarily halt a development, but I think it goes to show that anyone who doesn't rely on social housing for a roof over their head really has a negative view on it. The Ontario government is seriously lacking any progressive, outside the box thinking and is scared to do anything besides what they currently know. 'Let us not try anything new and don't let anyone else try anything new in Ontario' should be the province's motto. There is no creativity, only stagnation, and what do you know, the economy here in Ontario is stagnating.

To be fair though and give the whole story, a substantial number of social housing units in the city have been renovated over the last several years. We are also getting about 20 low-income units at the moment because of Habib's plan in downtown Fort William. That doesn't even count for a drop in the bucket of what is required though.
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It's an Ontario-specific problem. When I was in Winnipeg last summer, there was a wide variety of social housing developments going on all around the city, and many of them were quite successful.

Thunder Bay, arguably, needs this kind of development more than any other city in the province, but it doesn't even really get raised by our representatives, let alone discussed by the government itself. I seem to recall Dalton McGuinty saying he would provide more funding for affordable housing, but we haven't seen a single unit built in this city since Bob Rae was premier.
Thunder Bay's affordable housing system is apparently much better than that in Southern Ontario. In Thunder Bay it takes a few months to be offered a place, in somewhere like Hamilton it can apparently take up to two years.
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Propose a social housing project in this city and watch the backlash begin. No one wants social housing developed in their neighbourhood.
No one lives in Intercity.

Yet.
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Intercity would probably be a good place for social housing, as it is close to the mall and transit routes. Obviously the majority of people in social housing use transit, and having a mall right close by would help with their services and employment opportunities close to home.

The vacancy rate is a somewhat good thing though, at 1.1% there should be a good few proposals popping up in the downtown Port Arthur and Fort William areas in the next few years.
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No one lives in Intercity.

Yet.
Any specific locations that you think should be targeted? I think it is a good idea to develop residential in Intercity, but I am just not sure where. Existing properties would have to be re-developed since there is not a ton of empty space left in Intercity now. Whenever Carrick St. gets extended to the north, that could open up some properties too. If they actually left some trees, it could make a decent setting for some nice apartment buildings.

I just noticed the 'for sale' sign that was on the property near the corner of Arthur St and Hwy 61 (out front of the Vahalla Inn where the cardlock gas station used to be) has disappeared. Whoever owned the property had it advertised a while back and stated in the ad they were more than ready to sell the property off and had reduced the asking price.
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1: Along Carrick behind the Superstore
2: The CIBC/PPG lots SW of Harbour and Memorial (relocate the CIBC; they've already closed one of the two buildings)
3: Across from Intercity Mall, the three lots presently occupied by Intercity's unused overflow parking, the sewing shop, and the labour centre (the latter has been talking about relocating for some time now)
4: The LRCA's triangle of land (where they wanted to build their new office building) would be a great location for a decent-sized middle-class condo development. Across the river, the roofing store's property and areas around it could be urban infill.
5: Considering the William Street extension, the area along the river could become home to new offices and condominiums
6: The new curved part of Carrick Street, the "Hillyard Lands", could potentially be lined with medium density residential with street-level retail and other services. This would help blend Intercity with Acadamy Heights.
7: The area along North Vickers, near the river, has redevelopment potential. There isn't much industry there, and what is there is fairly quiet.

The biggest obstacles could be present uses, and land contamination. The city should investigate ways to find the clean-up of contaminated sites, and figure out some form of incentive to relocate businesses away from the main corridors in the Intercity area, into other business parks or the harbourfront.


Outside of most of the locations listed above, there are some spaces in the core areas that could host social housing or general residential projects. New social housing should have a better business model. Instead of the DSSAB simply being a little better than a slumlord, there should be some degree of involvement with residents and social workers to help those who are in social housing eventually find better jobs and better places to live. Optimal places for social housing (regarding access to employment, space available for development, and public transit access) would be:

• Algoma Avenue, the former Holsum Bakery site (built to a scale respectful of the area, with streetfront retail spaces)

• Simpson/Finlayson and Simpson/Miles, with the latter being mixed-use to take advantage of the nearby courthouse. Maintain the Fort William Neighbourhood Redevelopment Plan's recommendation of limiting development along Simpson Street to four storeys. This could be more of a social project where the residents have direct access to counsellors to help get on their feet, sort of a half-way house for people who want to improve their life.

• The area around Dawson Court (which is closing in the next year or two). Something with a similar development pattern to the Maple Crest/Academy development (a few highrises surrounded by townhouses) to take advantage of the views and two public transit routes. The LPH building could be converted to social housing but I can foresee another horror story scenario like we saw with Winston Hall, where it becomes a squalid place that eventually gets condemned, sits vacant and vandalized for a few years, then burns down.

• If there are any closed schools left in this city, or should any schools be closed in the future, make use of them. (Except Hillcrest, it's too poorly laid out and too optimally located for social housing to succeed there.)

The Dawson Court area, in general, offers an excellent opportunity for some sort of in-fill. We already have city services to support higher density living areas, such as larger water and sewer mains and two public transit routes, and higher density in the area would allow us to fit more people without sacrificing the green space that currently exists in the area.
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Any new housing developments in the city? Or is it the same old Parkdale / River Terrace / Woodcrest areas?
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