LOS ANGELES | Downtown Project Rundown 4.0

[DistrictDirt]

Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

I don't think it matters. Northern Broadway has a few adaptive reuses going on, the planned 22 story tower, the advantage of being adjacent to OBD and Grand Central Market. Southern Broadway has Ace, Umami, a couple boutiques, the planned Palmer Development, ALMA, and more. Eventually, these will end up bleeding into central Broadway, Ross or not. Gentrification is inevitable. Really, this is why I don't really care about Ross that much: it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

Well put. This is exactly how I feel. Broadway is now gentrifying explosively. There's a new project announced every week or two, sometimes several in one week. I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of bringing back broadway that Ross is a discount retailer. If anything, the fact that the did such a great job cleaning up the exterior probably makes the store a net plus for Broadway.

[ChrisLA]

All I have to say is there is a Ross in San Francisco on Market Street, and it seems to be doing ok along with Nordstorms and Bloomingdales, The Gap, and many others. I wouldn't worry too much about this store opening on Broadway.

BTW I have been known to shop at Ross, and until I became unemployed I was not poor. Mostly I bought items for the kitchen, bathroom, and sometimes t-shirts, and socks. Best deals in town, and the quality of the things I purchased wasn't poor. Oh I almost forgot I have also purchased laptop bags, briefcases, and once I needed some extra last minute luggage for a trip my wife and I was going on.

[circuitfiend]

Wow, I can't believe the discourse on freakin' Ross. I'm solidly upper-middle class, professional, gay, white, own real estate, and I love that store. I also happen to know the locations of practically all from Santa Monica to Indio, since I've shopped at all of them. It attracts a diverse cross-section of socio-economic demographics. I can't think of a better store for Broadway to anchor a commercial renaissance of that area. Bring in Marshalls / TJ Maxx / Home Goods and the trifecta will be complete.

I think most residents of downtown should/will welcome this development.

[XAVIERinSF]

Illithid Dude....Hate? Hate is a strong word. So no...I don't hate Hunter, I'm merely calling him out (AGAIN) on his racist undertones. Do I think he is pathetic? Yes...very much so and I'm pleased to see that many others agree with me indirectly.

I've been following this forum for years, Both when I lived in L.A. (Born and raised) and now living in San Francisco. It's sad that this forum has the potential to deteriorate into something that promotes racism. This is L.A. for god's sake! "Me Racist?" ...Let's see what pitiful excuse he uses (this time) to justify his statements.

Like someone previously mentioned, The Ross here in SF, shares the vicinity with a variety of shops: Some high-end and some not. Lots of homeless...lots of drug dealers etc. Ross is doing perfectly fine. What Hunter envisions for DTLA and Broadway is this pristine picturesque place and hell with anyone/anything that doesn't fit his delusional criteria: "Same people" "Same Attitude"

...Get over it!

[blackcat23]

Originally Posted by ChrisLA

All I have to say is there is a Ross in San Francisco on Market Street, and it seems to be doing ok along with Nordstorms and Bloomingdales, The Gap, and many others. I wouldn't worry too much about this store opening on Broadway.

BTW I have been known to shop at Ross, and until I became unemployed I was not poor. Mostly I bought items for the kitchen, bathroom, and sometimes t-shirts, and socks. Best deals in town, and the quality of the things I purchased wasn't poor. Oh I almost forgot I have also purchased laptop bags, briefcases, and once I needed some extra last minute luggage for a trip my wife and I was going on.

Wow, I can't believe the discourse on freakin' Ross. I'm solidly upper-middle class, professional, gay, white, own real estate, and I love that store. I also happen to know the locations of practically all from Santa Monica to Indio, since I've shopped at all of them. It attracts a diverse cross-section of socio-economic demographics. I can't think of a better store for Broadway to anchor a commercial renaissance of that area. Bring in Marshalls / TJ Maxx / Home Goods and the trifecta will be complete.

I think most residents of downtown should/will welcome this development.

Exactly the point I was making earlier: Ross can and will attract the middle class demographic. Thank you both for illustrating it.

[LAofAnaheim]

Folks - downtown LA is moving in the right direction with all new developments and openings recently, however, there is one cherished treasure that has been completely decimated, which I fear has put a backward spin to downtown's progress. I'm talking about the closure of outdoor dining in St. Vincent's court. If you've walked along 7th street, you'd remember this beatiful European outdoor dining alley between Broadway and Hill. It's quite charming. However, the outdoor patio dining was actually illegal since the '70s and only until last month did the City enact on the ordinance.

We need to get the outdoor dining returned to St. Vincent's court. This is a charming area and makes all passerby's take a second look at downtown's renaissance and can't believe their eyes when they see European style dining in downtown. If you are unfamiliar with the backstory, here's an article in the Downtown News:

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/city-...5637072-714b-11e2-a3e5-001a4bcf887a.html

It's an absolute sham, we need St. Vincent's Court reactivated. Please help me in contacting Huizar's office to see the return of sidewalk dining in downtown LA.

http://www.josehuizar.com/index.php/extensions/cd14-area-offices/downtown-los-angeles

[BrandonJXN]

You people need a drink. Good lord.

[circuitfiend]

Originally Posted by ThreeHundred

You people.

Thank you Ann Romney.

[Valyrian Steel]

Me thinks Hunter's been reading all these posts while eating popcorn.

[RuFFy]

Originally Posted by ThreeHundred

You people need a drink. Good lord.

I heeded to this advice. Haha.

[Just-In-Cali]

Originally Posted by Pink Floyd

Me thinks Hunter's been reading all these posts while eating popcorn.

Wouldnt he be eating caviar...since he's so high class?

[bobbyv]

Originally Posted by Pink Floyd

Me thinks Hunter's been reading all these posts while eating popcorn.

[ConstructDTLA]

^ More like this. Lol at people coming to defend Ross..

The demand is there for real good retail, I don't know why larger companies are still so terrified.

[Valyrian Steel]

Originally Posted by HunterK

^ More like this. Lol at people coming to defend Ross..

The demand is there for real good retail, I don't know why larger companies are still so terrified.

Probably not "terrified", but just "not interested". Frankly I think, for the most part, this "demand" for such stores in the area exists solely in the heads of urban enthusiasts and those who lust for "gentrification".

[brudy]

Originally Posted by Pink Floyd

Probably not "terrified", but just "not interested". Frankly I think, for the most part, this "demand" for such stores in the area exists solely in the heads of urban enthusiasts and those who lust for "gentrification".

I think for a lot of the people who live downtown, we want more retail. We live in a walkable neighborhood and I'd rather walk and spend my money here than drive to La Brea or the grove or wherever I want to shop. Downtown is essentially a city in itself, and you can't have a functioning city without retail. It's not just clothes - do you know how hard it is to just find a cool card or small gift in downtown? Outside of the library store, there are almost no options other than generic stuff at Rite Aid, etc. It's a retail desert. That said, I'm not quite sure the population has reached enough critical mass to draw the attention of other major retailers, although I do think boutiques could certainly do well. In a few years after the next wave of housing and hotels are in, then perhaps we'll see a ton more retail move in. I do think Ross is overall a good thing (although I would have preferred marshalls or tj maxx), and the Brooks Brothers is another plus.

On the Broadway bit, there's a great new italian restaurant at 3rd and Broadway called Maccheroni Republic. It's small, cool but neighborhoody, not trying too hard and it's affordable. They handmake all their pasta. It's one of the first restaurants that feels like it isn't trying to win awards or wait weeks for a table. It's very neighborhoody and friendly, yet still feels upscale without the price. It's a first pass at bringing some balance to the eating scene downtown.

[Illithid Dude]

Originally Posted by XAVIERinSF

Illithid Dude....Hate? Hate is a strong word. So no...I don't hate Hunter, I'm merely calling him out (AGAIN) on his racist undertones. Do I think he is pathetic? Yes...very much so and I'm pleased to see that many others agree with me indirectly.

I've been following this forum for years, Both when I lived in L.A. (Born and raised) and now living in San Francisco. It's sad that this forum has the potential to deteriorate into something that promotes racism. This is L.A. for god's sake! "Me Racist?" ...Let's see what pitiful excuse he uses (this time) to justify his statements.

Like someone previously mentioned, The Ross here in SF, shares the vicinity with a variety of shops: Some high-end and some not. Lots of homeless...lots of drug dealers etc. Ross is doing perfectly fine. What Hunter envisions for DTLA and Broadway is this pristine picturesque place and hell with anyone/anything that doesn't fit his delusional criteria: "Same people" "Same Attitude"

...Get over it!

All I'm saying... 80%.

[Valyrian Steel]

Originally Posted by XAVIERinSF

It's sad that this forum has the potential to deteriorate into something that promotes racism.

Nah, I doubt SSP will turn into another city-data.

[citywatch]

Originally Posted by Pink Floyd

Frankly I think, for the most part, this "demand" for such stores in the area exists solely in the heads of urban enthusiasts and those who lust for "gentrification".

sadly, I have to say you're correct. Or I have to say that there's still not enough wealth in dt to make it a place that will truly compete with the biggies, both locally & elsewhere.....iow, I don't expect to see the $$ of big dept stores, along with luxury boutiques, found in cities like NYC or SF, or chicago, or tokyo or london, duplicated in dtla anytime soon.

the following list merely shows what happens to a city when so much of its wealth leaks out for yrs & yrs & yrs. It is 'insufferable' to acknowledge that LA....unlike certain other major cities that have managed to keep more of their older hoods competitive & attractive to ppl with $$....just about pushed out ppl who were of some success to the fringes. in that regards, LA is one of the most burbanized cities in the US.

Mapping L.A. is the Los Angeles Times’ growing resource about the neighborhoods that make up Los Angeles County. It provides maps and information about demographics, crime and schools in 272 neighborhoods across the county. The Times released the first draft of 87 neighborhoods in February 2009. That group was limited to neighborhoods within the city of Los Angeles and crafted by merging together neighboring census tracts.

Rank Neighborhood Median Income
1 Bel-Air $207,938
2 Hidden Hills $203,199
3 Rolling Hills $184,777
4 Beverly Crest $169,282
5 Pacific Palisades $168,008
6 Palos Verdes Estates $167,344
7 San Marino $158,855
8 La Cañada Flintridge $148,996
9 Rolling Hills Estates $145,628
10 Malibu $138,215
11 La Habra Heights $137,034
12 Manhattan Beach $136,481
13 Unincorporated Santa Monica Mountains $132,997
14 Rancho Palos Verdes $128,321
15 Westlake Village $126,550
16 Calabasas $126,178
17 West San Dimas $125,984
18 Bradbury $123,773
19 Stevenson Ranch $122,833
20 Porter Ranch $121,428
21 Topanga $120,319
22 Ladera Heights $117,925
23 Agoura Hills $117,608
24 Leona Valley $117,526
25 Brentwood $112,927
26 Cheviot Hills $111,813
27 Hermosa Beach $109,509
28 Castaic $108,693
29 Hollywood Hills West $108,199
30 Walnut $106,893
31 Hasley Canyon $106,489
32 Agua Dulce $106,078
33 Beverlywood $105,253
34 Northwest Palmdale $103,013
35 West Hills $103,008
36 Cerritos $98,212
37 Beverly Hills $96,312
38 Century City $95,135
39 North Whittier $93,841
40 Unincorporated Santa Susana Mountains $93,825
41 Castaic Canyons $93,248
42 San Pasqual $92,917
43 Ridge Route $92,822
44 Marina del Rey $92,763
45 Diamond Bar $92,414
46 Redondo Beach $92,263
47 Playa del Rey $91,339
48 Woodland Hills $89,946
49 Claremont $89,804
50 Santa Clarita $88,987
51 Sierra Madre $88,008
52 West Los Angeles $86,403
53 Ramona $86,325
54 Tujunga Canyons $85,625
55 Hancock Park $85,277
56 San Dimas $84,953
57 Chatsworth $84,456
58 Acton $83,983
59 El Segundo $83,925
60 Granada Hills $83,911
61 La Mirada $83,514
62 La Verne $83,352
63 Shadow Hills $82,796
64 La Crescenta-Montrose $82,693
65 Altadena $82,676
66 Glendora $81,336
67 Vernon $81,279
68 View Park-Windsor Hills $81,214
69 Desert View Highlands $80,867
70 Hacienda Heights $80,762
71 Lakewood $78,764
72 Green Valley $78,712
73 Encino $78,529
74 Quartz Hill $77,498
75 Westchester $77,473
76 Torrance $76,866
77 South Pasadena $76,229
78 Elizabeth Lake $75,951
79 Arcadia $75,808
80 Mission Hills $75,675
81 Studio City $75,657
82 Lake Hughes $74,918
83 East Pasadena $73,690
84 Tarzana $73,195
85 Toluca Lake $73,111
86 Angeles Crest $72,841
87 Rowland Heights $72,638
88 Rancho Dominguez $72,097
89 West Covina $71,898
90 Carthay $71,398
91 Culver City $70,774
92 Carson $70,645
93 Southeast Antelope Valley $70,134
94 Valinda $70,037
95 East La Mirada $69,930
96 Rancho Park $69,724
97 Sherman Oaks $69,651
98 Hollywood Hills $69,277
99 Santa Monica $69,013
100 Sunland $68,720
101 Westwood $68,716
102 Playa Vista $68,597
103 Duarte $68,539
104 Charter Oak $68,092
105 Val Verde $68,073
106 Lake View Terrace $67,985
107 Northridge $67,906
108 Venice $67,647
109 Mayflower Village $67,592
110 Eagle Rock $67,253
111 Whittier $66,891
112 West Carson $66,805
113 Citrus $66,638
114 Industry $66,616
115 Del Aire $66,442
116 Covina $66,438
117 Signal Hill $66,283
118 Vincent $66,221
119 Temple City $65,965
120 Fairfax $65,938
121 Sylmar $65,783
122 Arleta $65,649
123 South San Jose Hills $65,527
124 Lake Balboa $65,336
125 South San Gabriel $64,827
126 West Puente Valley $64,809
127 South Whittier $64,670
128 Avocado Heights $64,544
129 Burbank $64,416
130 East San Gabriel $64,365
131 Pico-Robertson $63,356
132 Palmdale $63,317
133 Beverly Grove $63,039
134 Pasadena $62,825
135 Mar Vista $62,611
136 Winnetka $62,535
137 Norwalk $62,412
138 Del Rey $62,259
139 Downey $61,839
140 Windsor Square $61,767
141 West Whittier-Los Nietos $61,504
141 Monrovia $61,504
143 Lopez/Kagel Canyons $61,398
144 Irwindale $60,959
145 Littlerock $60,781
146 Veterans Administration $60,561
147 Artesia $60,538
148 Santa Fe Springs $60,445
149 Lomita $59,059
150 Northwest Antelope Valley $58,899
151 Mid-Wilshire $58,483
152 Tujunga $58,001
153 Gramercy Park $57,983
154 Mount Washington $57,725
155 Sawtelle $57,710
156 San Pedro $57,508
157 Alondra Park $57,177
158 Glendale $57,112
159 San Gabriel $56,687
160 Pico Rivera $56,683
161 Baldwin Park $56,585
162 North El Monte $56,577
163 Unincorporated Catalina Island $56,295
164 Sun Village $56,175
165 Lancaster $56,069
166 La Puente $55,902
167 Montecito Heights $55,901
168 Valley Village $55,470
169 Harbor City $55,454
170 Monterey Park $55,210
171 Reseda $54,771
172 Silver Lake $54,339
173 Pomona $54,242
174 San Fernando $54,068
175 Atwater Village $53,872
176 Bellflower $53,325
177 Azusa $53,299
178 Alhambra $53,224
179 Avalon $53,200
180 Lawndale $53,150
181 Gardena $52,897
182 West Hollywood $52,855
183 Montebello $52,623
184 North Hills $52,456
185 Northeast Antelope Valley $52,234
186 Lake Los Angeles $52,146
187 Canoga Park $51,601
188 Sun Valley $51,290
189 Long Beach $50,985
190 Los Feliz $50,793
191 Palms $50,684
192 Glassell Park $50,098
193 Paramount $49,815
194 Rosemead $49,387
195 Pacoima $49,066
196 Elysian Valley $49,013
197 Athens $48,824
198 Walnut Park $48,750
199 Lynwood $48,518
200 South Gate $48,312
201 West Compton $48,093
202 Harbor Gateway $47,849
203 Larchmont $47,780
204 South El Monte $46,912
205 Hawaiian Gardens $46,853
206 Inglewood $46,574
207 Commerce $46,245
208 Valley Glen $46,175
209 Manchester Square $46,093
210 El Sereno $45,866
211 Leimert Park $45,865
212 Highland Park $45,478
213 Panorama City $44,468
214 East Compton $44,439
215 El Monte $44,415
216 Mid-City $43,711
217 Hawthorne $43,602
218 Compton $43,157
219 North Hollywood $42,791
220 Cypress Park $42,615
221 Bell Gardens $41,532
222 Maywood $41,203
223 Van Nuys $41,134
224 Wilmington $40,627
225 Bell $40,556
226 Hyde Park $39,460
227 Huntington Park $39,185
228 Cudahy $39,048
229 East Los Angeles $38,621
230 Willowbrook $38,224
231 West Adams $38,209
232 Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw $37,948
233 Lennox $37,937
234 Chesterfield Square $37,737
235 Echo Park $37,708
236 Harvard Park $37,013
237 Florence-Firestone $34,408
238 Exposition Park $33,999
239 Hollywood $33,694
240 Boyle Heights $33,235
241 Jefferson Park $32,654
242 Westmont $31,572
243 Central-Alameda $31,559
244 Arlington Heights $31,421
245 Green Meadows $31,347
246 Vermont Vista $31,272
247 Vermont-Slauson $31,236
248 Harvard Heights $31,173
249 Historic South-Central $30,882
250 Lincoln Heights $30,579
251 Koreatown $30,558
252 East Hollywood $29,927
253 Vermont Square $29,904
254 Broadway-Manchester $29,897
255 Adams-Normandie $29,606
256 South Park $29,518
257 Florence $29,447
258 Elysian Park $28,263
259 Vermont Knolls $27,730
260 Westlake $26,757
261 Pico-Union $26,424
262 Watts $25,161
263 Chinatown $22,754
264 University Park $18,533
265 Downtown $15,003

^ the stats for the list may be a few yrs old, but when a hood ranks on the bottom....& many hoods around it aren't much higher up....even alot of improvement still won't exactly make it a shining city on the hill. that's why when ppl get in a tizzy over ppl of limited income becoming an endangered species in LA....worried about the threat of them getting pushed out of LA, including broadway.....I have to go........& then kind of.....

[brudy]

Originally Posted by citywatch

sadly, I have to say you're correct. Or I have to say that there's still not enough wealth in dt to make it a place that will truly compete with the biggies, both locally & elsewhere.....iow, I don't expect to see the $$ of big dept stores, along with luxury boutiques, found in cities like NYC or SF, or chicago, or tokyo or london, duplicated in dtla anytime soon.

I looked at the 2010 census data a month or so ago and the median income levels around downtown are low. Surprisingly low actually. There just isn't enough market-rate housing yet.

[citywatch]

Originally Posted by brudy

I looked at the 2010 census data a month or so ago and the median income levels around downtown are low. Surprisingly low actually. There just isn't enough market-rate housing yet.

I hadn't ever seen the list compiled by the LA Times until tonight....prompted by my curiosity about how much potential wealth there is for stores to tap into.....& was quite surprised....even a bit shocked....at how poorly dt does....or at how low income it really is.

The dtla central city association did their own survey not too long ago & came up with rosier figures, but I wondered how much of that was overly selective.....that it was like looking at the student body of a high school & counting only the class valedictorians, & then concluding the school had a high GPA & graduation rate.

but I remain totally worried that new bldgs in the hood are too short, or that new projs contain too much parking, or that a new tower has an asshat instead of granite or lacks retail on the 1st floor, or that swapmeets along broadway aren't being treated more kindly. Yes, westsidelife, I am insufferable in that regards!