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Old Posted Mar 5, 2013, 2:15 AM
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Tempe urged to start planning for huge ASU cultural, athletic district

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By Dianna M. Náñez
The Republic | azcentral.com
Mon Mar 4, 2013 10:42 AM
Arizona State University’s 330-acre Athletics Facilities District could take 20 years or more to build, but former U.S. Congressman Harry Mitchell emphasized this week that Tempe must plan now for the immense infrastructure needed to support the massive development.

Steve Nielsen, ASU assistant vice president for real-estate development, speaking Tuesday to the Mayor’s Community Roundtable Committee, updated Tempe business owners and residents who serve on the committee on the university’s plans for the development.

The update drew questions about the type of development that would be built at the prime site near Town Lake and downtown Tempe.

Nielsen reassured the committee that ASU is not seeking development that would compete with Mill Avenue or with Tempe Marketplace.

“Our goal is … how do we connect downtown (Tempe) with Tempe Marketplace,” he said.

ASU considered how to best use “land for the benefit of Tempe and ASU,” he said.

Nielsen said ASU’s vision includes building arts-and-culture facilities, amateur-athletic facilities and commercial-office space. The university’s plans center on developing enough fee-generating office, retail and residential space to pay for the renovation of Sun Devil Stadium and for other new state-of-the art sports facilities.

The sprawling development, which Nielsen said is three times the size of downtown Tempe, would encompass vacant land near Town Lake and wipe out existing facilities that include Packard Stadium, Karsten Golf Course and a large parking lot immediately south of the lake.

ASU officials have said the golf course would be rebuilt. Nielsen said that ASU is in discussions with Phoenix to move the baseball team to Phoenix Municipal Stadium, which is north of Tempe Town Lake and near the light-rail line.

Tempe resident Bobbie Cassano, a member of the mayor’s advisory group and a longtime advocate for school and city partnerships, asked whether Tempe officials have considered the development’s impact on existing infrastructure.

“How do we prepare for the future?” she said.

Harry Mitchell, a member of the advisory group, who served as Tempe mayor for 16 years before winningstate legislative and congressional seats, stressed that Tempe must develop a plan now if it wants to ensure sufficient infrastructure, such as sewer and water lines, to support the sprawling new development. Mitchell is Tempe Mayor Mark Mitchell’s father.

The junior Mitchell assured the group that ASU is keeping Tempe in the loop on development plans. He added that that he meets regularly with ASU President Michael Crow.

“We are a part of the team,” Mitchell said.

Harry Mitchell asked whether ASU would replace the parking that it demolishes as part of the new development. Nielsen said ASU’s plans call for building “more parking than there is today.”

The development is decades from completion, Nielsen said, “but under Dr. Crow, he wants it all done immediately.”

The university’s goal is to “use our (public) facilities as an economic driver.”

Nielsen has said that ASU expects to select a developer for the master plan by the end of this month.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2013, 3:44 AM
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Okay, does anyone else think that The Hub is turning out to look like an UGLY building? They are taking off all the scaffolding and it is apparent that the colors of this building are green and black. It looks EXACTLY like The Vue, but much worst with this color selection. *Note that the previous owners of The Vue are developing this property. Even still, I feel like they could have made it all glass, or given it some other different look. It is very ugly.
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Okay, does anyone else think that The Hub is turning out to look like an UGLY building? They are taking off all the scaffolding and it is apparent that the colors of this building are green and black. It looks EXACTLY like The Vue, but much worst with this color selection. *Note that the previous owners of The Vue are developing this property. Even still, I feel like they could have made it all glass, or given it some other different look. It is very ugly.
And unimaginative since the 14-story one in Tucson goes by the same name.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2013, 6:44 AM
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Okay, does anyone else think that The Hub is turning out to look like an UGLY building? They are taking off all the scaffolding and it is apparent that the colors of this building are green and black. It looks EXACTLY like The Vue, but much worst with this color selection. *Note that the previous owners of The Vue are developing this property. Even still, I feel like they could have made it all glass, or given it some other different look. It is very ugly.
I wouldn't say ugly, I would say a little strange and not as good as I anticipated. I think it could be one of those projects that looks a little funny in the middle stages and then turns out really nice once it's completed. Definitely not thrilled about the Marriott - they could have at least used some brick and more glass in place of the 1990's stucco.

I think the Oliver McMillan project and Argo will turn out to be really nice. Someone needs to make sure Architekon is in charge of the State Farm buildings and anything else on the lake.
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Got any pictures of the hotel? I haven't been to downtown Tempe in a while.
I'll snap a pic of the Marriot when I am by there in the next couple of days. Its been over a half of a year since I've been by the construction site, so I'm interested to see what it looks like now.

BTW...hi everyone. I'm back after a long hiatus from this forum. One of the reasons why I am back, other than to rejoin the discussion, is to finish part three of my Tempe photo set. I intended to do this a long time ago, but life got in the way.
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I'll snap a pic of the Marriot when I am by there in the next couple of days. Its been over a half of a year since I've been by the construction site, so I'm interested to see what it looks like now.

BTW...hi everyone. I'm back after a long hiatus from this forum. One of the reasons why I am back, other than to rejoin the discussion, is to finish part three of my Tempe photo set. I intended to do this a long time ago, but life got in the way.
Look forward to seeing the third installment. You got your work cut out with a bevy of campus, Apache corridor and Mill Avenue District construction.

Speaking of photos I noticed Abseilon USA's Flickr account has been uploading Manzy construction photos.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2013, 4:30 PM
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^ Indeed, there is definitely a whole bunch of new material to photograph since the last time I picked up a camera and hit the streets. What's great is that I live right in the Apache Blvd corridor. So that's convenient.

One new idea I have is to see if I can get pics of the old mill from the inside. Not sure if anyone is allowed inside at this point yet though. I don't think there are any tours at this point. Welll, haven't heard of any. Special permission perhaps?

Oh, and this goes out to everyone. If you have any suggestions as for what you'd like to see me include in my next set, feel free to speak up. I'm particularly interested in some historical homes/structures.
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^ Indeed, there is definitely a whole bunch of new material to photograph since the last time I picked up a camera and hit the streets. What's great is that I live right in the Apache Blvd corridor. So that's convenient.

One new idea I have is to see if I can get pics of the old mill from the inside. Not sure if anyone is allowed inside at this point yet though. I don't think there are any tours at this point. Welll, haven't heard of any. Special permission perhaps?

Oh, and this goes out to everyone. If you have any suggestions as for what you'd like to see me include in my next set, feel free to speak up. I'm particularly interested in some historical homes/structures.
Getting inside the Flower Mill would be awesome.

The neighborhood to the SE of Apache and Mill and the neighborhood to the SW of Mill and University have some great photo ops. The modern house on Farmer and 14th is the coolest house in Tempe in my opinion. You might want to wait until August when all the big projects are finally finished (Manzanita, WP Carey Building, Sun Devil Fitness Complex, The Hub, Marriott, The District on Apache). There's some pretty cool stuff around 5th and Farmer and some shots from the top of A Mountain would look nice too if you're feeling adventurous.

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^ Indeed, there is definitely a whole bunch of new material to photograph since the last time I picked up a camera and hit the streets. What's great is that I live right in the Apache Blvd corridor. So that's convenient.

One new idea I have is to see if I can get pics of the old mill from the inside. Not sure if anyone is allowed inside at this point yet though. I don't think there are any tours at this point. Welll, haven't heard of any. Special permission perhaps?

Oh, and this goes out to everyone. If you have any suggestions as for what you'd like to see me include in my next set, feel free to speak up. I'm particularly interested in some historical homes/structures.
Sounds like you are on the right track. I'd be interested in seeing all of new construction and recently completed projects on the Apache Corridor and within ASU's campus. I have actually wanted to do an ASU campus photo tour, but I doubt I'll ever get to it.

Also, historic parts of Mill Avenue and the Maple-Ash Neighborhood would be nice to see. Also, there are some historic homes with the west 5th/Riverside neighborhood, but also a lot of new condos/smaller row/townhomes developments. It would be cool to see a mix of both of those from that neighborhood.
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ASUSunDevil, PHX31....thank you for the input and ideas. I'll go take a stroll around those neighborhoods to see what I can find. However, I think I'll wait 2-3 weeks before I do that, just to give the landscaping and vegetation a chance to recover from the cold snap we had a few weeks ago. Some of it is looking pretty brown and crunchy currently. I n the mean time, I think I'll check my options on the flour mill.
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fyi anyone interested in a lease at West 6th, they are offering a reduced monthly rent rate
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I have actually wanted to do an ASU campus photo tour, but I doubt I'll ever get to it.
I've been tempted to record a ASU campus overview of the significance of the each of the buildings and malls namesakes and so forth.

As I noted earlier about Hayden Library renovations they have already fenced off areas by the drop off box and the loading bay. I'm a bit confused as to how extensive the Social Science building renovation is because its been on and off for the past three semesters. Engineering Research Center always seems to be under renovations. Not a whole lot to say about College Commons/Block 12 right now. I highly recommend checking out the ISTB IV especially once they start building OSIRIS-REx (asteriod mission) on the first floor. I also wonder how Palm Walk will turn out after they replace the aging palms.
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Talking about little face-lift projects, I noticed that they took down the boxed trees in front of the Mill. Its kind of sad, but they were really in quite miserable condition. They should have planted some permanent trees in the area. Or at least built nice planters for them. I hope the area gets something soon. I also noticed that the Monti's patio is coming into full swing, it looks like it should be up and running soon.
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I've been tempted to record a ASU campus overview of the significance of the each of the buildings and malls namesakes and so forth.

As I noted earlier about Hayden Library renovations they have already fenced off areas by the drop off box and the loading bay. I'm a bit confused as to how extensive the Social Science building renovation is because its been on and off for the past three semesters. Engineering Research Center always seems to be under renovations. Not a whole lot to say about College Commons/Block 12 right now. I highly recommend checking out the ISTB IV especially once they start building OSIRIS-REx (asteriod mission) on the first floor. I also wonder how Palm Walk will turn out after they replace the aging palms.
Wait... what?! They are replacing the palms on palm walk??? Why? How many? Please don't say all.
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Talking about little face-lift projects, I noticed that they took down the boxed trees in front of the Mill. Its kind of sad, but they were really in quite miserable condition. They should have planted some permanent trees in the area. Or at least built nice planters for them. I hope the area gets something soon. I also noticed that the Monti's patio is coming into full swing, it looks like it should be up and running soon.
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Students at Arizona State University are teaming up to envision adaptive reuse for the city-owned Hayden Flour Mill & Silos property. Teams of students from Architecture, Landscape Architecture, and Public History are joint-venturing in response to an RFQ/RFP developed in collaboration with instructors and city-staff. Fresh eyes, unbridled creativity, and spirited youth promise a range of profound insights into the potential future use of this community landmark. As Robert Kennedy said: “This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind, a temper of the will, a quality of imagination, a predominance of courage over timidity, of the appetite for adventure over the life of ease …”
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Wait... what?! They are replacing the palms on palm walk??? Why? How many? Please don't say all.
Yep, almost all of them will need to be replaced. Many are over 100 years old with the youngest having been planted in 1916. They are starting to loose their fronds and are reaching the end of their lifespans (the Mexican fan palm, an icon of Palm Walk, lives for about 100 years).

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Now, said Newell, all of the palms will have to be replaced. “We have not done a complete estimate yet as the replacement size will have quite a bit to do with the final price," she added. "The replacements will probably be done in increments – a section at a time (from University to Tyler or Orange and then Orange to the SRC, for example). The removal of the old palms will also be expensive as it will need to be done with cranes and the irrigation system will need to be updated, etc.
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/\ I don't get it... why replace them now? They are nearing their lifespan, why not let them reach it before replacing them? What's the point in doing it early?

So stupid... it's like I have some car tires that are fine for 50,000. Instead of replacing them at 50k I waste my money and treadlife by replacing them at 40k.

I bet no one could tell the difference but some hirticulturist that read info on fan palms in a book and wanted to do something with their life by being the person to replace the palm walk palms.
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/\ I don't get it... why replace them now? They are nearing their lifespan, why not let them reach it before replacing them? What's the point in doing it early?

So stupid... it's like I have some car tires that are fine for 50,000. Instead of replacing them at 50k I waste my money and treadlife by replacing them at 40k.
When a palm tree dies it creates an incredible and unsightly mess. And yes, these palms are actually starting to die and aren't replenishing fronds. ASU needs to start replacing them now because it will be time consuming and expensive. The work required and equipment necessary to replace the palms and upgrade the infrastructure isn't as simple as replacing a tire. They will have to do some excavating to upgrade the irrigation system. As the article stated, cranes will be needed to lift the massive trees out of the ground with the bulb intact in order to plant a new one in its place.

If the palms are allowed to continue aging they could start dying of disease and that could cause issues with soil contamination which would then require expensive soil replacements. Because aging palms are susceptible to fungal infections, it is wise to remove them before that can become a problem that could spread to other species of trees on the campus (which is a nationally recognized arboretum). For instance, in 2006, palms started aging and dying in L.A. They developed fungal infections and it contaminated the soil, making it impossible to plant new ones:

"Tree surgeons don’t know how to stop the fungus, which gets into the soil. Dunlap said it doesn’t make sense to replace dying palms with new ones that will probably fall victim to the same ailment. So the city has been planting other varieties of trees."
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15287692/#.UTlzmVcufjs

For those reasons, it isn't a stupid idea to replace the palms now...quite the contrary.

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Can someone list out all the current & proposed development projects underway, date of completion and location? I would like to update my website with all this information.

Thanks!

p.s. I'm going on another tour of The Hub tomorrow, I'll see if I can snag some pictures to share with you guys.
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Can someone list out all the current & proposed development projects underway, date of completion and location? I would like to update my website with all this information.

Thanks!

p.s. I'm going on another tour of The Hub tomorrow, I'll see if I can snag some pictures to share with you guys.
Wow, that's not asking for much, huh? It would take you the same amount of time that it would take each of us to do the same task. Just sayin.
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