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Old Posted Feb 15, 2013, 6:18 PM
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I think this is fairly old news now, no? Or was there something new in that article?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2013, 9:44 PM
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Yeah that is old news, the article is from November 2012.
     
     
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I think the Calgary Tokyo flight originates in Toronto
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2013, 10:25 PM
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I think the Calgary Tokyo flight originates in Toronto
Originally it did, but not anymore.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2013, 12:27 PM
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I don't believe there is an actual YVR Destinations Fantasy thread, so please, permit me this idea.

It was mentioned in a link some posts back that - from a newspaper link - that YVR would remain (if it works at it) the major Canadian hub for East Asia flights, which seems rather normal.

In the article, it mentioned possible connections from YVR to South America, which werre - quite realistically - refuted, as AC would not want to relinquish its Toronto hub for that, and that other airlines going on from East Asia to South America via YVR (which would normally be a shorter route than from YYZ) would need fifth freedoms, or a new bilateral for South American carriers. Fine. Point accepted. I stand corrected.

But imagine, if you will ... daily flights, largely geared to business travellers (presumably from East Asia) from YVR to Caracas (oil) and Sao Paolo (banking / corporate centre of S. America)

Sure, go ahead and laugh. It's unlikely, but not impossible. And such a hub that would turn Vancouver into!

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I don't believe there is an actual YVR Destinations Fantasy thread, so please, permit me this idea.

It was mentioned in a link some posts back that - from a newspaper link - that YVR would remain (if it works at it) the major Canadian hub for East Asia flights, which seems rather normal.

In the article, it mentioned possible connections from YVR to South America, which werre - quite realistically - refuted, as AC would not want to relinquish its Toronto hub for that, and that other airlines going on from Ast Asia to South America via YVR (which would normally be a shorter route than from YYZ) would need fifth freedoms, or a new bilateral for South American carriers. Fine. Point accepted. I stand corrected.

But imagine, if you will ... daily flights, largely geared to business travellers (presumably from East Asia) from YVR to Caracas (oil) and Sao Paolo (banking / corporate centre of S. America)

Sure, go ahead and laugh. It's unlikely, but not impossible. And such a hub that would turn Vancouver into!
Doesn't hurt to dream big I guess...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2013, 3:55 PM
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Doesn't hurt to dream big I guess...
Excactly. Thank you, ACT7. it never hurts to dream. And dreams sometimes become reality (though it can take a while, of course)
     
     
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In the article, it mentioned possible connections from YVR to South America, which werre - quite realistically - refuted, as AC would not want to relinquish its Toronto hub for that, and that other airlines going on[SIZE=3
from East Asia to South America via YVR (which would normally be a shorter route than from YYZ) [/SIZE]would need fifth freedoms, or a new bilateral for South American carriers. Fine. Point accepted. I stand corrected.
I blew it again; via YVR is longer -- only just. Excuse me.
I guess Vancouver will be the hub that never was!
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2013, 9:08 PM
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I guess Vancouver will be the hub that never was!
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Vancouver has excellent international service for a metropolitan area of 2.5-3M, and one which is not a major commercial centre at that. Your hyperbole can get very grating.


COPA has been in major expansion mode lately. It's business model is largely based on connections from one point in the Americas to another, not Panama O&D. Perhaps given it's recent marriage with Star, it is conceivable we could see a PTY-YVR flight in the medium term. Other flights to Latin America are a pipe dream right now. Even LAX and SFO support few, if any, flights beyond Central America.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2013, 11:39 PM
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I've said it once and I'll say it again, Vancouver has excellent international service for a metropolitan area of 2.5-3M, and one which is not a major commercial centre at that. Your hyperbole can get very grating.


COPA has been in major expansion mode lately. It's business model is largely based on connections from one point in the Americas to another, not Panama O&D. Perhaps given it's recent marriage with Star, it is conceivable we could see a PTY-YVR flight in the medium term. Other flights to Latin America are a pipe dream right now. Even LAX and SFO support few, if any, flights beyond Central America.
Thank you for the feedback, and sorry about the hyberbole. I guess I'm speaking from more a wishful-thinking state, than a pragmatic, empirically-reasoned one.
Very interesting that LAX has only almost nothing beyond, as in the example with Panama City.
Throughout Canada - graphically! - and even in the united States, good connections to South America seem better in the East. There is now even a nonstop Sao Paulo flight to Charlotte, NC; not exactly the smallish city where you'd expect such.

(No need to mention NYC, Miami, Atlanta or Houston , Toronto......)

Relating size and economy to market demand, as you state, and using Charlotte as an example of a smaller centre but with proportionally outsized air connections: It's a major banking centre (as everone here knows) so wields proportionally more power than the average city of its size, (Frankfurt being just another on its roster, London, too, I believe, and of course Toronto.)

If and when Vancouver goes from Beta+ to Alpha-, things may look a bit different around here, destination-wise, although admittedly we're not really placed to be a world hub, except for East Asia. The only other "hub" aspect for YVR I cab see more in the near future is the Canadian hub for Oceania, Not only Sydney and Auckland, but Melbourne and maybe Brisbane, if it pays. There's a lot of ocean to the west south of YVR.

Nevertheless wouldn' it be great to get Singapore back?!

I have to concede that any real major route development out of YVR is probably a long way away and taking statistical reality into account is the larger part of this.

(By the way, just that mention of a YVR-PTY run was a surprise!)
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2013, 4:36 AM
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There is now even a nonstop Sao Paulo flight to Charlotte, NC; not exactly the smallish city where you'd expect such.
Please. Charlotte is a major hub for US Airways, so it has way more service than it merits as a standalone city. That's the way the US air travel system works. There is probably little or modest O&D b/w Charlotte and Sao Paulo. I doubt this route will survive the merger with American, which has ample service to Latin America from DFW and Miami.
     
     
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^^

Charlotte's a pretty major banking center in the US, so the São Paulo route could still stay post-merger.

Anyway, there have been rumors floating around about CX maybe starting a Latin America route via YVR. I think the big advantage potentially for any Asian-latin American routes via YVR would be avoiding US border security...
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2013, 5:50 AM
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Sichuan Airlines is upping Chengdu/Shenyang service to 4x weekly in the summer:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/03/01/3u-yvr-jun13/
     
     
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Sichuan Airlines is upping Chengdu/Shenyang service to 4x weekly in the summer:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/03/01/3u-yvr-jun13/
Ha ha I just logged in to post that.

China capacity ex YVR is just exploding next summer.

As for Asia, just waiting to see if EVA adds their 4th frequency as they always seem to be the last to finalise summer scheds. Normally they obtain extra-bilateral authority.

Sichuan just launched their inaugural flight to/from Melbourne yesterday.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2013, 8:18 AM
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China capacity ex YVR is just exploding next summer.
I wonder if that means there will be an increase in connecting flights to elsewhere in N. America from Vancouver? Seems logical that there might be.
     
     
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Ha ha I just logged in to post that.

China capacity ex YVR is just exploding next summer.

As for Asia, just waiting to see if EVA adds their 4th frequency as they always seem to be the last to finalise summer scheds. Normally they obtain extra-bilateral authority.

Sichuan just launched their inaugural flight to/from Melbourne yesterday.
Cue more comments about China and the price of Vancouver real-estate...

But yes, I think YVR has the most flights to China any North American airport. Not including HKG, I'd guess that China flights will make up roughly 50% of the 120 weekly frequencies from Asia this summer. Pretty amazing stuff.

Incidentally, January 2013 traffic figures are out, and show a slight decline of 1.3% over January 2012.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 5:18 AM
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Does anyone have any updates on pier A\ B construction?
     
     
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I was in there on Sunday, its coming along just fine. YVR has done a very good job of hiding the work, I bet 99% of people wouldn't even realize work was happening.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 9:06 PM
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San Diego, anyone?

Now that AC has announced (correct me if I'm wrong) that they are discontinuing YVR - SAN altogether, has any other airline stepped in to fill this market? It seems like too major a market to go unserved direct, but until WJ or AS steps in - if they do - it'll mean changing planes in LAX. WJ has a nonstop from Calgary, so why not Vancouver? Seems strange to me.
     
     
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