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[Ed007Toronto]

Great pictures.

[Thaniel]

Originally Posted by hunser

^ Nice antenna on Beekman...


You gotta be kidding me! Morons. And the ESB is not 1472' but 1250' because it has an antenna on top of the spire.

It's not even 1472 feet. That was just it's height from 1950 to the 1985. It's current antenna height is 1454 feet.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by pnapp1

I for one could give two shits about the height! It's the appearance that matters most to me!

Which is why I find it strange that they are saying the covering was removed for aesthetic reasons.

"We took the radome off the building, which is an aesthetic choice that has nothing to do with the spire. It was an aesthetic choice," the spokesman stated. "It actually is a spire and I think that if you look at places like the Empire State Building, they, I think, also call their spire an antenna. It did not impact the height is the short answer."

I liked the other excuse better, they should stick with that one.




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323478304578330722492825016.html

Amazon Shops to Boost City Space

By ELIOT BROWN and GREG BENSINGER
February 27, 2013

Amazon.com Inc. is looking to do something unusual for big Manhattan businesses these days: expand. The online retailer is looking for 300,000 to 500,000 square feet of office space in Manhattan, according to multiple real-estate executives familiar with the search process. That would be a big jump from the nearly 100,000 square feet Amazon currently occupies at 1350 Sixth Ave.

The Seattle-based company has had preliminary discussions with owners of One World Trade Center and Brookfield Place, the recently renamed World Financial Center downtown. Amazon also has looked at multiple buildings in Midtown, the executives said.

The search is said to be at early stages, but if it leads to a lease on the upper end of its range, it would be one of the largest expansions by a company in the city in years. A 500,000-square-foot space typically fits 2,000 to 3,000 workers.

Keith Michael NYC

[dar124]

Originally Posted by NYguy

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323478304578330722492825016.html

Amazon Shops to Boost City Space

By ELIOT BROWN and GREG BENSINGER
February 27, 2013

What percent, roughly, is 1WTC leased???

This might be a good tenant to get the construction going again on tower's 2 or 3???

[NewYorkDominates]

^ 55-60 % Leased.

[hunser]

Originally Posted by Thaniel

It's not even 1472 feet. That was just it's height from 1950 to the 1985. It's current antenna height is 1454 feet.

I got used to the height listed on SSP: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=149360

The tip ...

https://www.facebook.com/WorldTradeCenterNYC



Looks like the random is still on here ...

[jmatero]

Originally Posted by NYguy

...Also, it's interesting to see they've gone from a "maintenance" issue to an "aesthetic choice" concerning the radome. They make it sound as if the radome was just going to be a sheet thrown over the antenna to hide its ugliness.

Actually, a radome IS an asthetic "sheet" thrown over the spire. Look at the naked spire in the pic below... it hasn't changed... they just removed the "sheet":



The radome wasn't ditched primarily to save $$$... It was ditched because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to regularly maintain/repair/clean without erecting scaffolding every single time. It simply wasn't practical, or safe for workers. Durst and the PA are absolutely correct about that. How in God's name could ANYONE access one of those externally-mounted radome panels? You couldn't climb to the top and scale down. They would have to erect 400+ feet of roof scaffolding every time over 4 house-sized air-conditioning units AND the communications ring. Look at that building NOW... they have 2 cranes, scaffolding, and temporary platforms up there just so workers can access the exterior. Imagine replacing a damaged radome panel. Or one coming loose and falling on the AC, COM ring, or worse... the ground.

That radome was 2.5" fiberglass-on-foam. It's not a material you could scale safely without damaging it... and there would be no way for a worker to secure themselves to the spire underneath for stability... let alone the panels themselves:



What the PA is saying is that the spire is NOT an antenna... radome or not. Removing the covering changes nothing.

[aquablue]

Originally Posted by jmatero

Actually, a radome IS a "sheet" thrown over the spire. The current spire design hasn't changed:


The radome was ditched because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to maintain/repair/clean without erecting scaffolding every single time. They're right about that.

What the PA is saying is that the spire is NOT an antenna... radome or not. Removing the covering changes nothing.

Can you tell me, where is the actual transmitting antenna? Does the entire spire structure actually transmit radio waves, or is the antenna itself located inside the spire element?

[jmatero]

Originally Posted by hunser

I got used to the height listed on SSP: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=149360

The tip ...

https://www.facebook.com/WorldTradeCenterNYC



Looks like the random is still on here ...

That is not a radome. If I'm not mistaken, those are permanently affixed metal panels on the Beacon assembly.

[jmatero]

Originally Posted by aquablue

Can you tell me, where is the actual transmitting antenna? Does the entire spire structure actually transmit radio waves, or is the antenna itself located inside the spire element?

Perhaps somebody here could confirm, but the spire was never an antenna. There is power going up to the top for the rotating LED beacon (and internal ladders for workers to maintain that beacon).

All communications equipment is mounted to a circular ring that will be visible above the parapet:

[alex4apple]

I just read about this. I think this is the first serious injury that's happened during construction of the new Trade Center http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/wtc-...rticle-1.1275584?localLinksEnabled=false

[gramsjdg]

The radome wasn't ditched primarily to save $$$... It was ditched because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to regularly maintain/repair/clean without erecting scaffolding every single time. It simply wasn't practical, or safe for workers. Durst and the PA are absolutely correct about that. How in God's name could ANYONE access one of those externally-mounted radome panels? You couldn't climb to the top and scale down. They would have to erect 400+ feet of roof scaffolding every time over 4 house-sized air-conditioning units AND the communications ring. Look at that building NOW... they have 2 cranes, scaffolding, and temporary platforms up there just so workers can access the exterior. Imagine replacing a damaged radome panel. Or one coming loose and falling on the AC, COM ring, or worse... the ground.

Really? I suggest you have a conversation with Adrian Smith of SOM on that subject, and tell him that.

What the PA is saying is that the spire is NOT an antenna... radome or not. Removing the covering changes nothing.[/QUOTE]

That's your opinion. Again, the architect would disagree with you.

[Yankee fan for life]

Originally Posted by jmatero

Actually, a radome IS an asthetic "sheet" thrown over the spire. Look at the naked spire in the pic below... it hasn't changed... they just removed the "sheet":



The radome wasn't ditched primarily to save $$$... It was ditched because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to regularly maintain/repair/clean without erecting scaffolding every single time. It simply wasn't practical, or safe for workers. Durst and the PA are absolutely correct about that. How in God's name could ANYONE access one of those externally-mounted radome panels? You couldn't climb to the top and scale down. They would have to erect 400+ feet of roof scaffolding every time over 4 house-sized air-conditioning units AND the communications ring. Look at that building NOW... they have 2 cranes, scaffolding, and temporary platforms up there just so workers can access the exterior. Imagine replacing a damaged radome panel. Or one coming loose and falling on the AC, COM ring, or worse... the ground.

That radome was 2.5" fiberglass-on-foam. It's not a material you could scale safely without damaging it... and there would be no way for a worker to secure themselves to the spire underneath for stability... let alone the panels themselves:



What the PA is saying is that the spire is NOT an antenna... radome or not. Removing the covering changes nothing.

Then ask me this question how do they maintain the CN Tower's random? they can easy do the same enough of the excuses.

[Otie]

Its a mast, not an antenna, nor a spire. It wasn't a maintenance issue but money saving, Durst got rewarded for redesigning several sections of the tower, including isolation of the west plaza entrance and radome removal. SOM offered to collaborate on an alternate design, but obviously the issue was to save $17.19M.

And please credit every single image or visual, regardless of who is the owner/author.

[Puzzlecraft]

Sigh.

Website says: "Alert: Cameras will be down permanently as of 2/27/2013".
Sorry if already posted.

[MadGnome]

Originally Posted by jmatero

Actually, a radome IS an asthetic "sheet" thrown over the spire. Look at the naked spire in the pic below... it hasn't changed... they just removed the "sheet":

The radome wasn't ditched primarily to save $$$... It was ditched because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to regularly maintain/repair/clean without erecting scaffolding every single time. It simply wasn't practical, or safe for workers. Durst and the PA are absolutely correct about that. How in God's name could ANYONE access one of those externally-mounted radome panels? You couldn't climb to the top and scale down. They would have to erect 400+ feet of roof scaffolding every time over 4 house-sized air-conditioning units AND the communications ring. Look at that building NOW... they have 2 cranes, scaffolding, and temporary platforms up there just so workers can access the exterior. Imagine replacing a damaged radome panel. Or one coming loose and falling on the AC, COM ring, or worse... the ground.

That radome was 2.5" fiberglass-on-foam. It's not a material you could scale safely without damaging it... and there would be no way for a worker to secure themselves to the spire underneath for stability... let alone the panels themselves:

That's complete nonsense. Spires around the world are maintained all the time without scaffolding. Attach points for lateral station keeping are unobtrusive and not rocket science. Rigging a few panels that can open for winches to raise and lower people and replacement panels is also fairly straightforward.

[ThatOneGuy]

It's Childs' fault for not coming up with a solution.

[PMadFlyer]

beacon with person for scale by PMadFlyer, on Flickr

[amaddry]

Nice antenna on Beekman...

I think what you are seeing is the antenna on top of Brooklyn Tech.

[YankeesfaninUT]

Originally Posted by MadGnome

That's complete nonsense. Spires around the world are maintained all the time without scaffolding. Attach points for lateral station keeping are unobtrusive and not rocket science. Rigging a few panels that can open for winches to raise and lower people and replacement panels is also fairly straightforward.

Yes, Spires are maintained everyday around the world. But this is no ordinary spire. It would be almost impossible to hoist those panels from the plaza without a crane. It is also against the city rigging and hoisting codes to maintain it the way they were proposing to do. You can argue all you want but would you want to be that high in the air trying to hoist a panel that far without a crane. I wouldn't want to. There's to much liability and risk involved.