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Old Posted Feb 25, 2013, 8:47 PM
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And the plans for the other side of that block by with the redo of Viewpoint's retail, and the apartment building in the background.

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This is the rendering of the project in the Business Chronicle, courtesy of LAS architects. Regarding the retail space where Loudermilk is trying to attract a grocer, what were they thinking when they designed this project that way?

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Atlanta Construction Video Blitz

Sunday was a beautiful day in the city. I took advantage of the blue skys and clear roads to visit a few developments in Downtown and Midtown.


National Center for Civil & Human Rights: http://youtu.be/yBntpYJEPFo
A green wall has been erected around the site. Site preparation is scheduled to begin the week of March 4th with groundbreaking soon thereafter. I'm pumped about this Museum. IMO the Civil Rights Movement is one of Atlanta's greatest legacies and gifts to humanity & this tribute is long overdue.

College Football Hall Of Fame: http://youtu.be/AmX4sGz1H7E
Crews have begun site preparation. By the looks of it I think groundbreaking is imminent. Once doors open I expect this area to become even more pedestrian oriented. IMO this may serve as the catalyst for Time Square South which is planned for the parking lot across the street.

Elan Westside: http://youtu.be/4xHM4_A3oIc
The foundation is being poured, the rear retaining walls constructed and with the crane erected, construction should be ramping up. I wonder how loud the RR tracks in the back will be?

Walton Westside: http://youtu.be/FmzVv6mLyVQ
Crews have completed most of the site grading and groundbreaking is underway. The development fronts Foster St. which will definitely need an upgrade. The goats across the street should give it a country livin' feel right in the heart of the city

100 6th St: http://youtu.be/thPuFKp4a_c
Construction is moving along briskly. The foundations are being poured on the southern side. On the northern portion, the site has been graded and is ready for the improved parking deck to be built.

131 Ponce de Leon Ave: http://youtu.be/tNS8BIxBAvg
Visual confirmation that the entire building has been reduced to rubble. I personally didn't see crews remove and save any of the exterior for renovation, as I only visited the site twice over the last 2 months. I read Sereo Group & Faison Enterprises are supposed to save a portion of the facade for re-use.

Proton Treatment Cancer Center: http://youtu.be/q1PZVeFnr4Q
The site has been fenced off and is quite large at 2.3 acres. Developers have until Thursday to meet their target groundbreaking date announced in the ABC.

New GSU Law School: http://youtu.be/E07spwpLydo
This building will convert a huge parking lot close to the Atlanta Streetcar. One of the two buildings on the site have been demolished. Renderings indicate the demolition of the Candler Building Parking Deck before development can proceed.

New GSU Science Building: http://youtu.be/s7sQMgGP5D4
The site is fenced off and ready for development. GSU has until Thursday to meet their target groundbreaking date announced in the ABC.

One12Courtland: http://youtu.be/8MNEz4o5n6A
The parking deck has been completely demolished and renovation continues on the former Ramada Hotel. I'm gad to see that the character of the hotel is being saved. The 60's style awnings will add some character to an otherwise bland section of Courtland.

I was unable to film 77 12th St due to Oysterfest. It looked fun but I was on a mission! I'll be filming this project on Wednesday.


As spring arrives, I will be around town filming more and more. Developments, buildings in addition to the Sites & Sounds of Atlanta. Don't forget to subscribe to my YouTube Channel to see Atlanta in HD!
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2013, 9:10 PM
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Thanks for those video updates!
     
     
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For a parking garage I think that looks fantastic! and I remember Viewpoint having a camera, I probably still have the link saved somewhere. I REALLY hope they have one for this project too.
I'd be interested to see the oxblue link too. Being gone 4 days a week, it's like a new site every week. Here's a shot I took from the Viewpoint gym on Saturday:

     
     
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I'd be interested to see the oxblue link too. Being gone 4 days a week, it's like a new site every week. Here's a shot I took from the Viewpoint gym on Saturday:

I know this has been mentioned even by me, but it is sad to see this site with the infamous Armory complex gone, use to have a lot of fun there in the 70s and 80s. GONE WITH THE WIND...
     
     
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It's definitely at a higher quality level than a lot of what's been going on lately, but I still don't understand why we need more surface parking. This block is flanked on both sides by surface lots and I can't imagine the decks will be full enough to warrant it.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2013, 5:33 AM
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Update on Skyhouse leasing.

Looks like the project is now 54% leased (I'm sure there is a lag on the website). Based on what they are advertising on the website, they are renting these units out at $2.05 on average, which is definitely a record in Atlanta for projects that weren't originally built/intended as condos (1065 Peachtree, Mezzo and I believe 05 Buckhead).

Some stacks such as the 7, 9, and 11 stacks are already leased up. All of the corner units but one on the upper 1/3 of the building are leased. Unit 2216 just came on the market and I think they lowered rent a bit (now $1864/mo...or $2.11psf). Some stacks such as 5, 6, and 12 must stink because almost none are leased up. The larger units on the lower 2 floors are also an obvious hard sell.

66% of 1 BRs are leased at $2.01 (average rent of $1414), 61% of 2 BRs are leased at $2.12 (average rent of $2116). Studios are leasing up at half the rate of 2 BRs and make up the same percentage of units in the building (24% of units, 33% leased thus far), and 3BRs are barely leasing at all. I think given that 10-12% of the building is leasing up by way of desirable 1BRs and 2BRs with the remaining ~3-5% leasing up via studios and maybe a 3BR, I don't think it will be more than 1-2 months more before we see a slowdown in leasing velocity as the desirable units are taken and all that are left are the studios, lower floor 3BRs, and stacks/floorplans that nobody seems to want. Still, we would be talking about ~70-75% of the building leasing up within 4 months, and given the market I'm sure they gave themselves at least 12 months to completely stabilize.

Let's hope that project deliveries are spaced apart enough to give each project room to fill up before competing with new deliveries (and I would hope that 100 6th doesn't end up cannibalizing Skyhouse). We have 5 floors of 77 12th delivering in May, and the remainder by November...I'd expect a February 2014 delivery of another 320 units at 100 6th, and all of these projects are going to be working the pre-leasing market. I doubt as if the westside projects or the Eastside/Beltline or the Buckhead projects are direct competition, though all are in the $1.75-$2.10 rental range (VERY high for Atlanta). The success of all will depend on the overall job market for the under 30 set, so hopefully all these lenders and equity groups know something we all don't!

The 3BRs seem suited for *student housing* as they are on the lower floors and have a lower rent per bedroom ($900-$925). I wonder if they're being marketed on campuses? Either way, they aren't filling up very quickly.

The 2BRs are leasing quickly, too. Have to assume that very young people who already live here are moving in as roommates, given the following:

Anyone who can afford to buy in Atlanta (presumably the 27+ crowd) will buy. The average advertised monthly rate for a 2BR in Skyhouse is enough for anyone with good credit and 20% down on a 30 Year mortgage to buy a ~$590K home, which is basically 90+% of high end 2BR condos in Midtown or a decent home in the city (and I'm not even factoring in tax savings!). In other words, it does not make sense to rent in Atlanta! On a PSF basis, 1BRs are even more expensive and they require basically one income stream. (equivalent rent for a 1BR is still like buying a $400K home...which is still enough to get you a nice 2BR in 1010...and again with tax savings buying is even more attractive). $80K down is not an unreasonable number for any professional in Atlanta making $80K a year or more for ~5 years (28-29 year old).

Given the above and given Atlanta incomes, these 2BRs aren't renting out to one person, it makes no sense. At $1,050/BR these 2BRs are a snag for anyone who can come even kind of close to affording a studio or a 1BR. And it looks like more people are able to afford a bedroom in a 2BR than a studio.

And given the insane amount of families/people in the metro who were foreclosed on in $200-$400K houses in the burbs...who says they will be able to even apply for these much more expensive units in the city? Despite all the rhetoric that there are all these people out there priced out of homes and in the rental market, I get the sense that they are relegated to cheaper units in the burbs rather than expensive infill units in the city. Atlanta definitely has a credit problem and a shaky job market that I don't think anyone believes has truly proven itself as fundamentally changed since the prior 2 decades were fully based on a housing/real estate boom that was built on false pretenses, so we'll see if there is room to fill all these apartments at these higher rents!

The pace of lease-up of 1BRs is a good sign, but only until 90% of all units UC/recently delivered are filled up at these rates will we know the strength of the intown rental market.



Caught a formula error in the model, which is why the below looks different from the above net of additional leasing activity (was at 42% leased below on 2-1-13).

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There is nothing secret about the information presented below...just created a little spreadsheet that self-updates based on the information found here:

http://skyhousemidtown.com/floor-plans/

Since I've posted it appears a unit on floor 2 (aka 3BR) leased.

     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2013, 6:26 AM
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It's definitely at a higher quality level than a lot of what's been going on lately, but I still don't understand why we need more surface parking. This block is flanked on both sides by surface lots and I can't imagine the decks will be full enough to warrant it.
EDIT: I wonder if Loudermilk owns at least one of the surface lots across the street? I think he does. Either way, it's not "free parking" like I imagine this rendered pull-in/pull-out parking to be (a la parking at Einstein's/Starbucks on 14th).

I have to guess those surface lots are designed to attract retail over restaurants considering restaurants can run a valet service through dedicated spaces in the garage (and people have come to willingly accept the valet service for F&B much more so than parking in a pay garage for retail).

I've had countless conversations with retailers in Midtown...the local residents aren't the biggest patrons of local shops, for some reason, so these retailers are relying on drive by and visitor traffic to a large degree. The biggest problem there is that this traffic is not like many Midtown residents who can walk or who know where the parking is...these visitors will drive on if they cannot find parking easily (i.e. a garage is often too difficult) or they have a hard time paying $2 to park for 30 minutes or an hour (which eliminates meters, too).

For Midtown to really grow its retail and prove that surface parking is not needed, more residents need to get out on the streets and patronize...even if you can't justify some trinkety eco thing in eco-denizen...buy something anyway! If you can truly afford a condo/Midtown rental, Midtown restaurants, a BMW, and shopping at Lenox/Phipps...then if you truly want more stuff to open in Midtown and more activity, help artificially create the vibe that there is stuff going on...shop locally when you can, walk the streets, talk to the biz owners, see where you can help out.

Retailers are looking at tenant sales before they commit to any development, especially one in Midtown! Not every developer can afford to give away space or buy tenants with huge fancy $200psf buildouts (ahem 12th and Midtown). With the demographics and relative density of Midtown, one would expect a wide array of solid retailers to cater to the residents, but I have to assume at this point that the demographics mean nothing when the perception (and reality) is that local residents don't patronize local businesses outside of F&B.

Wish John Dewberry would get a farmer's market started on his land...that would be a foot traffic draw for residents and visitors. Wish there were more physical building options for retailers, too. Rents on Peachtree are in the $35-50+ NNN range, which is seriously hefty for a submarket that has proven lethal to lots of retailers who tried. There aren't many options off of Peachtree except here and there in Plaza Midtown, West Peachtree near 14th, 10th and Piedmont, 8th and Juniper...would be interesting to find out sales, but aside from a few established businesses, most retail spaces seem to be revolving doors in these areas, too...not a good sign.

There seems to be some vacancy at Metropolis in a building owned by a landlord with a few other retailers next door (Jamestown) who could offer comps. That means go patronize Clothing Warehouse, Eco Denizen and En Paris (love the ladies at En Paris [Stevie and Flo] and Gene Cox and his Colombian wife at Eco Denizen). That means go buy stuff at ROC when it opens at 12th and Midtown this year. I can't blame you if you can't afford the over-priced furniture at Bobby Berk, but can you at least buy something at Big Peach Running across the street? It's very sad that Drew Lewis couldn't even survive selling at least decent clothing that was at least semi-appealing to the gays in a very gay building/neighborhood. Of course they may not have had the best merchandise selection or been the best operators, but there's no doubt they tried and knew lots of people in the neighborhood. Closures like that are probably part of the reason retailers won't come to the market.

I was a frequent patron at Arden's Garden, too. From my chats with managers there, they were of the perception that people in Midtown didn't even know they existed. People living almost directly above still went to the Monroe location. Could they have advertised more? Certainly...but one would think that local residents would at least have passed by in the now 18 months it's been open. I even talked to workers in a nearby office building who didn't know it existed...

So my guess is that because it would seem the locals have not come through as consistent walk-up patrons of businesses outside of F&B, I think landlords are realizing that they must make it easy for their retail tenants to benefit from visitor/drive-by traffic. They are doing surface parking, facade work, etc (the Westside has been successful in attracting solid retailers, many new to the market...but it offers free surface and garage parking!)
     
     
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EDIT: I wonder if Loudermilk owns at least one of the surface lots across the street? I think he does. Either way, it's not "free parking" like I imagine this rendered pull-in/pull-out parking to be (a la parking at Einstein's/Starbucks on 14th).

I have to guess those surface lots are designed to attract retail over restaurants considering restaurants can run a valet service through dedicated spaces in the garage (and people have come to willingly accept the valet service for F&B much more so than parking in a pay garage for retail).

I've had countless conversations with retailers in Midtown...the local residents aren't the biggest patrons of local shops, for some reason, so these retailers are relying on drive by and visitor traffic to a large degree. The biggest problem there is that this traffic is not like many Midtown residents who can walk or who know where the parking is...these visitors will drive on if they cannot find parking easily (i.e. a garage is often too difficult) or they have a hard time paying $2 to park for 30 minutes or an hour (which eliminates meters, too).

For Midtown to really grow its retail and prove that surface parking is not needed, more residents need to get out on the streets and patronize...even if you can't justify some trinkety eco thing in eco-denizen...buy something anyway! If you can truly afford a condo/Midtown rental, Midtown restaurants, a BMW, and shopping at Lenox/Phipps...then if you truly want more stuff to open in Midtown and more activity, help artificially create the vibe that there is stuff going on...shop locally when you can, walk the streets, talk to the biz owners, see where you can help out.

Retailers are looking at tenant sales before they commit to any development, especially one in Midtown! Not every developer can afford to give away space or buy tenants with huge fancy $200psf buildouts (ahem 12th and Midtown). With the demographics and relative density of Midtown, one would expect a wide array of solid retailers to cater to the residents, but I have to assume at this point that the demographics mean nothing when the perception (and reality) is that local residents don't patronize local businesses outside of F&B.

Wish John Dewberry would get a farmer's market started on his land...that would be a foot traffic draw for residents and visitors. Wish there were more physical building options for retailers, too. Rents on Peachtree are in the $35-50+ NNN range, which is seriously hefty for a submarket that has proven lethal to lots of retailers who tried. There aren't many options off of Peachtree except here and there in Plaza Midtown, West Peachtree near 14th, 10th and Piedmont, 8th and Juniper...would be interesting to find out sales, but aside from a few established businesses, most retail spaces seem to be revolving doors in these areas, too...not a good sign.

There seems to be some vacancy at Metropolis in a building owned by a landlord with a few other retailers next door (Jamestown) who could offer comps. That means go patronize Clothing Warehouse, Eco Denizen and En Paris (love the ladies at En Paris [Stevie and Flo] and Gene Cox and his Colombian wife at Eco Denizen). That means go buy stuff at ROC when it opens at 12th and Midtown this year. I can't blame you if you can't afford the over-priced furniture at Bobby Berk, but can you at least buy something at Big Peach Running across the street? It's very sad that Drew Lewis couldn't even survive selling at least decent clothing that was at least semi-appealing to the gays in a very gay building/neighborhood. Of course they may not have had the best merchandise selection or been the best operators, but there's no doubt they tried and knew lots of people in the neighborhood. Closures like that are probably part of the reason retailers won't come to the market.

I was a frequent patron at Arden's Garden, too. From my chats with managers there, they were of the perception that people in Midtown didn't even know they existed. People living almost directly above still went to the Monroe location. Could they have advertised more? Certainly...but one would think that local residents would at least have passed by in the now 18 months it's been open. I even talked to workers in a nearby office building who didn't know it existed...

So my guess is that because it would seem the locals have not come through as consistent walk-up patrons of businesses outside of F&B, I think landlords are realizing that they must make it easy for their retail tenants to benefit from visitor/drive-by traffic. They are doing surface parking, facade work, etc (the Westside has been successful in attracting solid retailers, many new to the market...but it offers free surface and garage parking!)
Agree with everything you just said. I make it a point to buy things locally whenever possible. People complain about lack of places to shop yet they buy everything from the mall or Amazon.
I think with the apartments coming online downtown and midtown we're close to reaching a point where we'll have the density to sustain current and future retailers. It'll be fun to walk about and go to stores like in NY, or DC because it's fun to be around people. In the past unless you're out atcertain times you still get that "I'm the only person out here" feeling. I have friends that moved to the burbs a few years ago but are wanting to now move back. It's kinda weird to hear someone bashing condo living and talking up a house and a yard do a 180 so quickly. I get the feeling that city living is becoming "cool" to types of people that never felt that way before. Gas prices are helping too I'd imagine. I can't remember who, but someone said Atlanta's slogan should be "It's gettin there", and while we weren't getting anywhere the past couple of years, we're heading in the right direction again.
     
     
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Thanks simms3, excellent information.............
     
     
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An interesting future for Buckhead block?

Buckhead businessman and major land owner Peter Blum may have begun setting the stage this past week for a major redevelopment of the entire block of Peachtree Road between Buckhead Avenue and the south side of Pharr Road, across the street from Buckhead Atlanta.Blum reportedly signed a lease last week with Restoration Hardware for the former previously announced redevelopment of the former ESPN Zone property at 3030 Peachtree Road, where the retailer plans to build a new six-story store.

During the same period, Blum decided not to renew a lease with the Cheesecake Factory restaurant next door at 3024 Peachtree Road after the national restaurant chain had been located there for about 20 years. It was a move with risk in this economy that most landlords likely would not have taken. But, as Buckhead Coalition President Sam Massell told BuckheadView, “Blum is a smart businessman….a man with vision. He owns a great deal of property” and, according to Massell, he is well positioned, well capitalized and very stable.
Now, taking the long view of the continued redevelopment and densification of the Buckhead Village area along Peachtree, Blum has decided to reposition the two properties once again. He envisions a redevelopment of the site where the restaurant will be replaced by high-end retail, including possible high-rise development, and is positioning the property for these opportunities. “Restoration Hardware plans to build an iconic flagship store at 3030 Peachtree Road across the street from Oliver McMillan’s Buckhead Atlanta. Given the new development, we wanted the opportunity to reposition 3024 Peachtree Road for something equally grand,” said Blum, the managing partner for both 3024 Peachtree LLP and 3030 Peachtree, LLC.
http://www.buckheadview.com/2013/02/does-restoration-hardware-plans-drop-of.html
     
     
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Can anyone tell me who took over the Borders in Buckhead ?
     
     
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Container Store.
     
     
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^^^It moved down the street from Selig's property at Piedmont and Peachtree, so now there is a vacant anchor space on the corner there. FYI. (not a net absorption)

Speaking of retail, have we heard *anything* about Streets of Buckhead? I no longer have any face time with the leasing team, but even when I did they were so tight-lipped...supposedly construction is in full swing? Surely there has been solid leasing momentum if Blum is confident enough not to renew Cheesecake Factory there in the hopes of something grander.
     
     
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Retailers are looking at tenant sales before they commit to any development, especially one in Midtown! Not every developer can afford to give away space or buy tenants with huge fancy $200psf buildouts (ahem 12th and Midtown). With the demographics and relative density of Midtown, one would expect a wide array of solid retailers to cater to the residents, but I have to assume at this point that the demographics mean nothing when the perception (and reality) is that local residents don't patronize local businesses outside of F&B.
We don't shop because the offerings are so thin and the offerings are so thin because we don't shop. Retail is supposed to follow rooftops but it sure hasn't in Midtown, especially below 10th. There's no synergy to use a stupid term. I go to Westside and I can grab a bite at Star Provisions and then browse Seed Factory, Free People, Room & Board. In Midtown, nobody eats and then pokes around. There's nothing to poke around at. Hopefully that Loudermilk development will offer a nudge in the right direction.
     
     
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Awesome, this is going to be very dense.
     
     
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