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Old Posted Feb 24, 2013, 11:02 PM
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Monolithic indeed. Yeesh.

It doesn't matter how well the design is executed. The sheer scale is contextually insensitive. It's still a Palmer project.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2013, 11:16 PM
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^ Yikes, that is a bit too big. So Steve Needleman's comment about the scale of the project being too much for his liking wasn't entirely unreasonable.

In good news, the Wilshire Grand demolition is going a bit faster than I thought. I was surprised to see that 5 or so floors are already gone from the Figueroa wing. See iPhone pic below from yesterday, standing outside of Fig+7. Speaking of Fig+7, I was pleasantly surprised to see several of the restaurants in the Taste food court on the lower level (which really is just that - a food court) open on Saturday with a handful of people sitting down eating lunch. I hope that lasts.


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Colemonkee, i was just there and Melt was open and there were about 15 - 20 people in there so i think as soon as the other places open up, it will be pretty full even on weekends.

Also, another floor has come off the Wilshrie Grand! unbelievable. i like the fact that they work at night.

Regarding Palmers Broadway building... looks encouraging but im still nervous. This guy usually value engineers right so ill be cautiously optimistic at this point
     
     
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As well as a wayward bus from New York City.

I actually like the design of the Sares-Regis. It fits with the overall feel of Little Tokyo. And will totally transform the look of Little Tokyo as well. City West is another area that would greatly benefit from these types of midrises. I pass by 1111 Wilshire all the time and it actually looks quite good. 4 or 5 of these in City West will do nothing but good things.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2013, 4:40 AM
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Monolithic indeed. Yeesh.

It doesn't matter how well the design is executed. The sheer scale is contextually insensitive. It's still a Palmer project.

It really depends. I'll wait to see it before I pass judgement. Sometimes it's too easy to label something before it's actually built. Once it's built, I need to walk the street to get the feeling of it, and whether it does seem too monolithic, unnatural, and imposing. It won't be perfect, but hopefully it will fit in well enough.
     
     
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Palmer might be smarter than any of us realize. Sure his Tuscans are crap design wise, but you can't deny their success. He was building the Medici when NO ONE was even looking at downtown. You have to give him credit for being bullish. If his new building project on Broadway is a success both in design and occupancy rate, then lots of people will welcome his designs especially on Broadway.
Maybe this /\ /\ /\ isn't a 180, but its definitely a helluva lotta ballwashing for the former public enemy #1.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2013, 5:53 AM
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This is what happens when we have such impossibly low expectations for a building. I must say, not only is the Palmer building NOT a Tuscan, it also isn't half bad. In fact, it manages to fit with the neighborhood quite well. We'll see how it eventually turns out.
Yeah, it should fit in fine. It looks practically identical to the ANJAC and Job Corps buildings across the street.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2013, 6:48 AM
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Maybe this /\ /\ /\ isn't a 180, but its definitely a helluva lotta ballwashing for the former public enemy #1.
So what if it is? Like I said, I'm not totally sold on this new project on Broadway. But if it's a success then what's the problem?
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Maybe this /\ /\ /\ isn't a 180, but its definitely a helluva lotta ballwashing for the former public enemy #1.
Takin this kinda personal, arent ya? Its not terrible...simple as that. Getting all bent that people are tolerating something of his thats a total departure from his previous work seems an overeaction. Just be happy its not a tuscan and move on.
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Here's a link to the Downtown News' February 2013 development update.

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/the-d...cb9f524-7d3d-11e2-8005-001a4bcf887a.html
     
     
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So what if it is? Like I said, I'm not totally sold on this new project on Broadway. But if it's a success then what's the problem?
I have no problem with the scale. None. Tons of stuff surrounding the parcel that is taller.

As someone mentioned earlier, Palmer is fond of value engineering, so that's my main worry now. It could potentially come out looking like a cheap knockoff of PE Lofts up the street.
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We always talk about going up here, but in this case something's coming down - a newer, small structure wedged between two older buildings on 6th to create a courtyard. Pretty cool. Now if only they'd restore the Pac Mutual facade - I never knew it looked like that originally (see the illustration in the post).

http://brighamyen.com/2013/02/24/big-changes-coming-to-pacmutual-building-in-downtown-los-angeles/
     
     
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Here's a link to the Downtown News' February 2013 development update.

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/the-d...cb9f524-7d3d-11e2-8005-001a4bcf887a.html

Thanks for the link! Going through that list makes me realize how much is currently being built, renovated, or is slated to begin one of the two in the next year. So many residential units are being added! I suspect they will fill up nicely, and the population of the area will increase nicely over the next couple years. With all this happening in a still-depressed market, I'm very bullish on Downtown!
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2013, 8:14 PM
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Interesting Article about some of the details of the design of the tower and construction plans.

New Wilshire Grand to Tower Above Downtown Los Angeles
02/22/2013
By Greg Aragon

Move over US Bank tower; the $1-billion Wilshire Grand is coming to take the crown of tallest building in Downtown Los Angeles. Developed by Korean Air Lines Co., the new hotel and office project will contain 73 stories and will rise to 1,100 ft tall, with a distinctive architectural spire at the top.




"The Wilshire Grand Hotel and office development will change the corner of Wilshire and Figueroa with an iconic building that will redefine the downtown skyline," said Korean Air Chairman Yang-Ho Cho at a recent press conference.

The roughly 2 million sq-ft endeavor, scheduled to be completed in late 2016, was designed by Los Angeles-based architect AC Martin Partners and is being built by New York-based Turner Construction Co. Structural engineering is being led by Brandow & Johnston Inc., Los Angeles.

The project will be highlighted by a 900-room, luxury hotel above 400,000 sq ft of office space and more than 45,000 sq ft of retail. An 1,100-stall parking garage will occupy seven levels below grade.

The signature spire atop the structure will be made of either stainless steel or aluminum. Standing next to a tactical approach helicopter pad, the signature spire—to be made of either stainless steel or aluminum—is a source of pride for the architects.

"This is a big deal because my grandfather did L.A. City Hall in the 1920s, and that is the only other building in the city that really has an architectural top,” says Chris Martin, CEO of AC Martin Partners. “All the buildings in L.A. have flat, truncated tops, so this is going to stand out—and we want it to."

Martin, whose cousin David Martin is the lead designer on the new hotel, says the spire and the entire exterior skin of the tower will be filled with programmable LED lighting, which will be seen throughout the city, and used to “artistically to give character to the building in light."

The project is located on the site of the former Wilshire Grand hotel, which closed in 2011. To get the new tower up, Turner must first demo 1 million sq ft of the old hotel. Kevin Dow, vice president of Turner’s Los Angeles Region, says this process began in September and should complete in August.

Once the old rubble is cleared, crews will be left with a city block-size hole, ranging from 85 ft to 100 ft deep. Dow says they will then prepare for one of the largest single concrete pours in Los Angeles history – a three-day convoy of trucks shooting 24,000 cu yds of concrete into the structure’s 20-ft-thick mat foundation.
“It is intended to be one concrete pour because, if you put a construction joint in something that large, you end up with so many reinforcing dowels across the joints that it becomes unmanageable," says Gerard Nieblas, president of Brandow & Johnston.


The tower will employ a lateral system with a concrete core shear wall, and use a series of outrigger columns and braces to help with building drift. The concrete core will be 4 ft thick at its base, and taper to 2.5 ft thick at the top floor. It will be supported by a structural steel brace frame.

Because the tower is being built in an active seismic zone, Nieblas says the team is doing a performance-based design, with a peer review committee with university professors and a practicing engineer hired to by city to review the design.

When the project is complete, hotel guests will begin their visit at the 70th story, where a panoramic "sky lobby" will be located beneath a restaurant and infinity pool. To keep circulation running smoothly, the building will use hi-tech, computerized double-deck elevator cabs.

"When people come to this building, they are going to look at the top and say 'I want to go to the lobby and restaurant on top; I want to see the view.’ So we decided to take them there and then down-feed [them] to the rooms," says Martin.


http://california.construction.com/c...les.asp?page=2
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The signature spire atop the structure will be made of either stainless steel or aluminum.
Can't wait to see the first image of the spire being struck by lightning. Lol.
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Can't wait to see the first image of the spire being struck by lightning. Lol.
lol..judging by the rarity of thunderstorms downtown...it will be a rare image.
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Thanks for the link! Going through that list makes me realize how much is currently being built, renovated, or is slated to begin one of the two in the next year. So many residential units are being added! I suspect they will fill up nicely, and the population of the area will increase nicely over the next couple years. With all this happening in a still-depressed market, I'm very bullish on Downtown!
One thing that bums me out a bit is the Banco Popular building. In the description the average unit size will be 610 sq ft. That's pretty small, in any city. It's such a beautiful building, but with units that size it will be mostly students or right out of college.
     
     
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Concrete core and outrigger columns, got to be a first for LA construction, will be interesting to see rise.
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One thing that bums me out a bit is the Banco Popular building. In the description the average unit size will be 610 sq ft. That's pretty small, in any city. It's such a beautiful building, but with units that size it will be mostly students or right out of college.
Or older lower income residents. It is a bummer. But there are still so many unused and unconververted buildings. There will (hopefully) be a time for more luxury apartments. I'm talking Rowan quality (even though Rowan is to-own, which we also need a lot more of).

As long as Banco Popular actually gets underway I'll be happy. People always talk about 4th/Spring 4th/Main being 'urban' but its quite the opposite - quite desolate. Hopefully with this conversion (and the new, insanely popular, Bar Ama) that will change.
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The news just keeps coming.

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There's a juicy rumor going around that developers Shahram and Shahriar Afshani--who were behind the NCT Lofts Downtown-- are joining forces with Macfarlane Partners to redevelop the huge California Broadway Trade Center building at Eighth Street between Broadway and Hill in the Jewelry District, reports Downtown Examiner. Originally built in 1908 as Hamburgers Department Store, the May Company took it over in the 1920s, though it's been more recently home to dozens of individual retail stalls. The building is now owned by the Afshani brothers who, if the rumors are true, plan to bring a hotel, apartments, and revamped retail space to the one-million-square-foot site, which runs all the way between Broadway and Hill.
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