Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[Future Mayor]

That is the big dilemma with the whole relocation process. On one hand Cedar Valley would be a good place, but as has been mentioned, we don't want it to spur more sprawl into that valley, plus that would only make the road through the pass there even more congested. The fact that the prisoners have to usually be in SLC for court also make Cedar Valley an issue. While it's not very developed, maybe it needs to be somewhere along west I-80, just past the Stansbury Mountains, the interstate infrastructure is already in place, and can handle additional capacity without being expanded. The logical place for any growth due to prison employees would be the Tooelle, Stansbury, Granstville area. That area is already somewhat established, residential growth makes a little more sense there than it does in Cedar Valley.

[billbillbillbill]

I was talking with my neighbor who works at the prison last night and he is hearing Rush Valley just south of Tooele as the preferred location. He said he and most who work there are not in favor or a huge relocation just to make some developers rich with this supposed tech boom.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by billbillbillbill

I was talking with my neighbor who works at the prison last night and he is hearing Rush Valley just south of Tooele as the preferred location. He said he and most who work there are not in favor or a huge relocation just to make some developers rich with this supposed tech boom.

I would guess most who work there are not in favor because it would make for a much longer commute.

[Future Mayor]

I'd hate for it to be rush valley. That would result in a large amount of sprawl in Cedar Valley, seeing as those two are adjacent to each other.

I would hope that the state doesn't simply sell the property to a developer for the current market value. I would hope that the state could either act as master developer; if they choose to sell it, have a provision that over the first 20-30 years, the states portion of the property tax is greater than it normally would be. That would allow for a developer to purchase the property, develop it more quickly, but they wouldn't be the only one to profit.

The only reason I am leery about the proposal is the the Governor came from a development background, and I don't simply want it to be sold to one of his cronies.

[airhero]

Move it to Antelope Island!!! jk, I don't think a prison can be built in a state park. I agree with anyone who has said Tooele Grantsville. I wish all our refineries were there as well. That's definitely the worst part about living in Davis County.

[Stenar]

The last time they were discussing prison relocation, I heard Grantsville brought up a lot. I think that would be the best location.

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

That is the big dilemma with the whole relocation process. On one hand Cedar Valley would be a good place, but as has been mentioned, we don't want it to spur more sprawl into that valley, plus that would only make the road through the pass there even more congested. The fact that the prisoners have to usually be in SLC for court also make Cedar Valley an issue. While it's not very developed, maybe it needs to be somewhere along west I-80, just past the Stansbury Mountains, the interstate infrastructure is already in place, and can handle additional capacity without being expanded. The logical place for any growth due to prison employees would be the Tooelle, Stansbury, Granstville area. That area is already somewhat established, residential growth makes a little more sense there than it does in Cedar Valley.

[SLC Projects]

Drove by the "Vista Station" the other day just to see if there really was alot of development going on just like what their website made it seem. Well......not a single thing is going on there right now. Ebay is finishing up and the new Frontrunner station with a parking garage is now open. That's it. I really don't see them developing everything they had on their timeline within these next two years, infact I can see those 10-15 story buildings to be scaled down to 6 since that's kind of the typical thing to do here. But we'll see. But as of now, nothing to report on.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Drove by the "Vista Station" the other day just to see if there really was alot of development going on just like what their website made it seem. Well......not a single thing is going on there right now. Ebay is finishing up and the new Frontrunner station with a parking garage is now open. That's it. I really don't see them developing everything they had on their timeline within these next two years, infact I can see those 10-15 story buildings to be scaled down to 6 since that's kind of the typical thing to do here. But we'll see. But as of now, nothing to report on.

My fear with Vista Station is that it's a Brandon Fugal property. I see a TON of Brandon Fugal signs around with nothing going on at the sites.

[Stenar]

Personally, I hope they don't build anything more than a few 3-4 story buildings. I walk along the Jordan River trail past there all the time and the eBay building already intrudes on the nice, peaceful nature of the area.

Also, there aren't enough roads in and out of the area to support all of the buildings they have shown on the master plan (and not all of the employees will ride transit, as much as we'd like them to).

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Drove by the "Vista Station" the other day just to see if there really was alot of development going on just like what their website made it seem. Well......not a single thing is going on there right now. Ebay is finishing up and the new Frontrunner station with a parking garage is now open. That's it. I really don't see them developing everything they had on their timeline within these next two years, infact I can see those 10-15 story buildings to be scaled down to 6 since that's kind of the typical thing to do here. But we'll see. But as of now, nothing to report on.

[delts145]

E-Bay Center @ Vista Station

http://cbcpromo.com/vista-station/?presets=preset2













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[delts145]

New prison location?

I'm really not that familiar with Rush Valley. I haven't been out there since I was a kid. It looks like there's a lot of
beautiful locations in the area. There are a number of small towns scattered around the area, that would probably love
the financial shot in the arm that this would provide. I could definitely see a lot of attractive areas for employees
to homestead if your looking for a short commute, beautiful plots and small town/countryside living. I don't know, but
I'm thinking a lot of people would be very attracted to this area. You know there are always a lot of those people who
are anxious to get out of the big city

Perspective location of Rush Valley

http://pics2.city-data.com

Rush Valley...http://www.rushvalley.net













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[airhero]

^^^Wow! I've never been there, but it looks so peaceful. I don't think I could ever build there. It's just too beautiful. Of course, I probably would say the same about Salt Lake Valley, if it were still sparsely populated, but look at it now! It's amazing how a place that probably looked so much like Rush Valley (although quite a bit bigger) is now home to 1 million+ people. Luckily we have national parks and forests so that there are always places that are, for the most part, untouched by development.

Anyway, they are possibly the worst pictures ever taken, not that I care or anything, but here are some pictures I took of the Eaglewood Lofts development in North Salt Lake City, as of this week:

From the southwest:


A little closer up:


From the west:


From the north:


From the northeast, overlooking the whole development, with the always ravishing refineries in the background:

[SLC Projects]

We should just lose those refineries, they are ugly and we don't really save much at the pumps with those there anyways.

[delts145]

Yeah, I would definitely like to see them relocated to a more discreet location, and utilize the latest in cleaner refinery technology. I wish they would do the same with those disgusting refineries as what they're planning on doing with the prison. Well, actually the prison is a lot less visually repulsive. Like Geneva, they just don't belong in that location anymore.

[delts145]

Inside Utah State Prison: Should it stay or should it go?

Pat Reavy, Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/86557...ison-Should-it-stay-or-should-it-go.html

This past week, Tooele County commissioners passed a resolution declaring their interest in housing the new prison. They also met with the lieutenant governor to listen to what the state might have to offer. On Monday, a legislative committee is expected to recommend to the full Senate a bill that would establish a process to relocate the prison and develop the Draper property it now occupies.

[dshane73]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

We should just lose those refineries, they are ugly and we don't really save much at the pumps with those there anyways.

That is a very short sighted view. The cost of fuel would rise considerably if all of it had to be trucked in from other refineries.

It would be a NIMBY field day to try and move them to anywhere. IF they did move the price of fuel would still raise to absorb the billions it would cost to relocate and clean up the refineries.

In short, they are there for ever. (Or until we don't use oil as our primary fuel source, so yeah for ever.)

[UtahProjects]

Originally Posted by airhero

From the northeast, overlooking the whole development, with the always ravishing refineries in the background:

Utah is almost there. Now if they could just learn to mix these type of developments with similar retail/office/etc. developments, we'd have something great. It'll be interesting to see how the office and retail portions of the larger Eaglewood Village project turn out.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by delts145

New prison location?



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I really don't like the idea of it being in Rush Valley. Looking at the above map, the logical place for growth of new housing anywhere nearby looks to be Eagle Mountain, rather than Tooele. IMO. One issue with Rush Valley is the time and expense to transport prisoners to SLC for trial. The route through Eagle Mountain will be a long one, even with the Mtn View corridor, and the route through Tooele will also be lengthy due to having to go through the city itself.

I personally like the idea of placing it closer to I-80 on either side of the Stansbury Mountains.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by dshane73

That is a very short sighted view. The cost of fuel would rise considerably if all of it had to be trucked in from other refineries.

It would be a NIMBY field day to try and move them to anywhere. IF they did move the price of fuel would still raise to absorb the billions it would cost to relocate and clean up the refineries.

In short, they are there for ever. (Or until we don't use oil as our primary fuel source, so yeah for ever.)

I don't believe we get our fuel there to begin with. All that gets trucked out to just about anywhere but here from what i hear. Not short sided view at all since it's an eyesore, it pollutes and we still have to pay more then we should at the pumps anyways. I'm sure nobody on this forum would miss it if it were to move.

[dshane73]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

I don't believe we get our fuel there to begin with. All that gets trucked out to just about anywhere but here from what i hear. Not short sided view at all since it's an eyesore, it pollutes and we still have to pay more then we should at the pumps anyways. I'm sure nobody on this forum would miss it if it were to move.

I would bet that every drop of fuel along the Wasatch Front comes from the 5 refineries here. It would make no sense to truck in fuel from any of the next closest refineries; Cheyenne, Denver, LA, San Francisco or Seattle.

As far as being an eyesore that's subjective. I personally like the look of heavy industrial areas and think they are quite beautiful in their own way.