[Halifax] Nova Centre | 65-58-58 m | 16-15-14 fl | Completed

[cormiermax]

Originally Posted by eastcoastal

Not defending him.... But... doesn't matter where he was born and raised, he can still have opinions about taxes and what should be done with them. There are plenty of Canadians with stupid ideas about plenty of things. Let's try not to attach the validity of a person's opinions to something like where they were born.

Its not just where he was born though, he was living in the states up until not too long ago and isn't even Canadian.

Just seems strange, I doubt the Americans would be OK with a Canadian doing the same thing.

[Antigonish]

Originally Posted by cormiermax

Its not just where he was born though, he was living in the states up until not too long ago and isn't even Canadian.

Just seems strange, I doubt the Americans would be OK with a Canadian doing the same thing.

They certainly aren't fond of Piers Morgan..

[worldlyhaligonian]

Originally Posted by eastcoastal

Not defending him.... But... doesn't matter where he was born and raised, he can still have opinions about taxes and what should be done with them. There are plenty of Canadians with stupid ideas about plenty of things. Let's try not to attach the validity of a person's opinions to something like where they were born.

Even if his points were valid, the concept is that his opinions shouldn't really have influence because he isn't really as invested. Know what I mean?

[ILoveHalifax]

Originally Posted by Antigonish

They certainly aren't fond of Piers Morgan..

I don't think that Americans dislike Piers Morgan because he is not American. I think it is because he just does not do his job well. I hope they get rid of him soon.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by ILoveHalifax

I don't think that Americans dislike Piers Morgan because he is not American. I think it is because he just does not do his job well. I hope they get rid of him soon.

His views, particularly about guns, are supported by a vast majority of Americans.

His ratings on CNN will ensure he continues.

A minority of Americans dislike Piers Morgan because they are obsessed with manipulating the Second Amendment (or as it should be known: the second modification of their imperfect constitution).

[RyeJay]

Getting back on topic: I've noticed the Nova Centre is generating a considerable amount of 'buzz' in downtown Halifax. The blasting that has been ongoing is being noticed by both core residents and office employees (which is certainly reflected on twitter and facebook); however, I haven't noticed any negative comments, which has surprised me.

People seem to be pleased about the noise and vibrations, even if their apartment is shaking from the explosions!

I suppose after years of this dead site, people are relieved to see activity again. Yes, I believe the general consensus is that people are enthusiastic about the new Central Library, but I think the Nova Centre has been a game changer in terms of the city's attitude toward development. To Haligonians, the Centre is going to feel like a 'big city' project.

I will also be interested in seeing if the provincial Liberals and/or PC's use the Nova Centre as fodder in their attacks on the NDP, although I have my doubts about an election this year.

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

I will also be interested in seeing if the provincial Liberals and/or PC's use the Nova Centre as fodder in their attacks on the NDP, although I have my doubts about an election this year.

Possibly the Liberals might. However, I think the Conservatives should take as much credit for supporting the convention centre as possible. If it weren't for the election win by the NDP then the convention centre probably would have been under way about 2 years earlier.

Here is an image from May 2009 (source: http://metronews.ca/news/halifax/85059/plans-for-new-convention-centre-unveiled/ )

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

Possibly the Liberals might. However, I think the Conservatives should take as much credit for supporting the convention centre as possible. If it weren't for the election win by the NDP then the convention centre probably would have been under way about 2 years earlier.

You're right; I should just say 'Conservatives'. 'Progressive Conservatives' is an oxymoronic term.

We will find out how Conservative politicians pander to rural areas of the province (as all parties pander). With economic conditions as they are today in small town Nova Scotia, it is quite easy to generate anti-convention centre narratives and point fingers at the current party in power. Of course the cons cannot claim they are against the centre, but they can claim that now isn't the time to invest in something that immediately only seems to benefit Halifax. The better time for a convention centre was years ago. Since that time has passed, a better time would be years down the road, once the economy has recovered, yadda yadda...

In terms of renderings, are we likely finished with receiving previews of what this development may look like?

[RyeJay]

Edit.

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

You're right; I should just say 'Conservatives'. 'Progressive Conservatives' is an oxymoronic term.

Not really...one can be socially progressive but yet fiscally conservative..which I believe is the intent in the name.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

Not really...one can be socially progressive but yet fiscally conservative..which I believe is the intent in the name.

Maybe at some point we need to begin a separate thread for Nova Scotia's provincial election, because I'm interested in learning about the track record of fiscal conservatism and social progressiveness of the PC's.

[eastcoastal]

Originally Posted by worldlyhaligonian

Even if his points were valid, the concept is that his opinions shouldn't really have influence because he isn't really as invested. Know what I mean?

In an increasingly globalized world, ideas are less and less constrained by lines on a map.

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

Maybe at some point we need to begin a separate thread for Nova Scotia's provincial election, because I'm interested in learning about the track record of fiscal conservatism and social progressiveness of the PC's.

I said it is the intent of the name however the realities of politics it may not show in the track record.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

Not really...one can be socially progressive but yet fiscally conservative..which I believe is the intent in the name.

Progressive conservatives exist, and yes, that is the intent of the name, to be socially progressive but fiscally conservative, perhaps with a touch of being respectful of traditions as well.....

Red Tories are not much different than Blue Liberals. They both exist, both belong to the political centre, but have slightly different allegiances.

I personally am sad that Canadian politics have become so polarized. The political right and left are controlled by extremists now, which I don't view as a healthy situation. Politics should be in the art of compromise. This is difficult to do when you have contempt for your opponents point of view....

[NBNYer]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I personally am sad that Canadian politics have become so polarized. The political right and left are controlled by extremists now, which I don't view as a healthy situation. Politics should be in the art of compromise. This is difficult to do when you have contempt for your opponents point of view....

You should turn on CNN. Guaranteed you'll feel much better about Canadian politics afterwards.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by NBNYer

You should turn on CNN. Guaranteed you'll feel much better about Canadian politics afterwards.

FOX is much worse....

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Progressive conservatives exist, and yes, that is the intent of the name, to be socially progressive but fiscally conservative, perhaps with a touch of being respectful of traditions as well.....

Red Tories are not much different than Blue Liberals. They both exist, both belong to the political centre, but have slightly different allegiances.

I personally am sad that Canadian politics have become so polarized. The political right and left are controlled by extremists now, which I don't view as a healthy situation. Politics should be in the art of compromise. This is difficult to do when you have contempt for your opponents point of view....

I agree... not likeing the way Canadian politics are going. The centre is disapearing which is prob why the libs have been reduced to a third place party. I feel it is a trend not just in Canada and the States but Europe as well.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Progressive conservatives exist, and yes, that is the intent of the name, to be socially progressive but fiscally conservative, perhaps with a touch of being respectful of traditions as well.....

Red Tories are not much different than Blue Liberals. They both exist, both belong to the political centre, but have slightly different allegiances.

I personally am sad that Canadian politics have become so polarized. The political right and left are controlled by extremists now, which I don't view as a healthy situation. Politics should be in the art of compromise. This is difficult to do when you have contempt for your opponents point of view....

Conservative, Liberal, Red Tory, Blue Grit, Right, Left...

I find all the labels somewhat useless, as our way of associating certain positions of the various issues can be quite subjective through this categorisation. Women's rights used to be an 'extreme left' issue -- but now, Conservatives support most forms of women's rights. Rapid climate change, politically, tends to be spun as a 'left' issue. Being conservative about the environment is apparently not a 'Conservative' priority.

Our politics, increasingly, are becoming corporatised. We aren't at the horrendous level of manipulation that we see in the United States. This, still, does nothing for my confidence.

I would vote for Harper (or, rather, the local Conservative MP), if his policies were evidence based (which most of them certainly are not). I don't dislike Harper because he's Conservative; in fact, I have voted for Conservative candidates before.

Politics is far too much like sports. People pick a team, and then keep supporting that team, regardless of new information.

Canadians should feel open to voting for any of our parties.

[hoser111]

There's already a section called "Business, Politics & the Economy"..... perhaps this conversation can migrate over there?

[RyeJay]

Agreed. We're getting off topic.