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Old Posted Jan 28, 2013, 8:10 PM
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I'm excited for the TOD potential for the County Hills station and the 128th Ave Station. Hopefully, the city makes sure that the developers build what is imagined.
Further to the TOD potential, one of the links in the index page was broken (appendix E) and it contains some more detail on the area immediately surrounding Country Hills station. That link should have pointed here instead.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2013, 8:28 PM
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It would be nice if they could put a station between 88th ave and Country Hills, so the LRT could be walkable for all residents in those communities. Especially since the 88th ave one overlaps the Saddletown 600m radius.
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It would be nice if they could put a station between 88th ave and Country Hills, so the LRT could be walkable for all residents in those communities. Especially since the 88th ave one overlaps the Saddletown 600m radius.
Perhaps they should provisionally plan for a station just north of 96 Ave/Airport Trail. That way a theoretical Airport spur line could more easily become an independent line with a transfer to the NE if we ever feel the need to separate them. As I understand it, Moscow's circle line began that way with various branches made into individual lines and then linked together over time.
     
     
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Perhaps they should provisionally plan for a station just north of 96 Ave/Airport Trail. That way a theoretical Airport spur line could more easily become an independent line with a transfer to the NE if we ever feel the need to separate them. As I understand it, Moscow's circle line began that way with various branches made into individual lines and then linked together over time.
They have planned for a transfer station and a potentially independent spur line to the airport at 96th avenue Station. Unless I am missing something.
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They have planned for a transfer station and a potentially independent spur line to the airport at 96th avenue Station. Unless I am missing something.
The best solution, IMO, would be to move the 88th Street Station to just north of Airport Trail, instead of adding another station. That would put the three stations each a mile apart. But I think they don't want to put a station so close to what will eventually become a freeway.
     
     
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Already posted this in the Construction thread, but figured this one might be more appropriate.

Fullscale demo at chinook LRT.



Does anyone know if this station will be completely out of commission for the duration of construction?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2013, 11:48 PM
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^Any plans to have Anderson meet the same fate? It's the worst of the original stations on the south line, IMO.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2013, 11:50 PM
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They have planned for a transfer station and a potentially independent spur line to the airport at 96th avenue Station. Unless I am missing something.
That was the impression I was under some time ago but I haven't seen any reference to a 96 Ave Station in some time and these documents certainly leave it out while showing a potential Airport LRT as a spur coming off just after 88 Avenue Station.

I would say that it would be a real failure of planning for both transit and roads if the LRT line and the Airport Trail@60 St interchange are not designed with room for a transfer station (perhaps involving a very short walk) and the continuance of the Airport Trail transit line to points further east.

Of course the potential connection from north of 88 Ave to Airport Trail would be necessary, whether the theoretical Airport LRT were to remain as a branch of the NE LRT or become an independent line, so that LRT cars could be moved between the lines for storage and maintenance.
     
     
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Does anyone know if this station will be completely out of commission for the duration of construction?
Chinook Station has been closed for two weeks now. To complete the demo and rebuild, it could not be opened to service.

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Old Posted Jan 29, 2013, 5:05 AM
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Just got my ticket checked again. I'm probably well above a 30% rate for that.
Wow. I was just having this conversation with a friend and we figure we're less than 0.5%. Take it during rush hour and you seem to have a lot less of this.
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I found some stuff on CT's website, that I don't think has been posted before:

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I'm excited for the TOD potential for the County Hills station and the 128th Ave Station. Hopefully, the city makes sure that the developers build what is imagined.
That sure is one weird routing they've got for themselves in the northeast.

One thing I haven't been able to figure out is why the route goes along major arterials rather than striking a course on its own RoW through a community (sort of like they did in Martindale, not that the actual design of the Martindale LRT RoW is anything to be especially proud of).

The way development planning works around Canada's major cities generally but especially in Alberta is that a section (or concession in Ontario) of land is taken in hand and the original survey roads generally become the major arterials, thus defining each planning 'cell'. The development pattern within each cell is basically oriented away from the arterial roads.

Given all this, the place you want to run transit is not down the edge of a community (i.e. the arterials) but rather smack dab through the middle of it with a station in the middle of the cell acting as the primary node to the community. Development should have a density gradient from the centre to the edges of the cell.

60 St as an alignment probably makes some sense since it's not along one of the survey roads but rather quarter section lines and it is half way between Stoney Trail and Métis Trail... were it not apparently to be turned into a major arterial itself. From Saddletown northwards it should have been conceived of as, at most, a mainstreet or high street; instead it's going to get itself an interchange at Airport Trail and extra expense for the LRT to cross it. The alignments of 52 and 68 could have served as collectors.

Similarly, 128th as an alignment would make some sense were it not too being turned into some kind of arterial.

One still gets the impression that LRT is something to push to the edge of communities rather than to be integrated into their cores.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2013, 7:58 PM
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That sure is one weird routing they've got for themselves in the northeast.

One thing I haven't been able to figure out is why the route goes along major arterials rather than striking a course on its own RoW through a community (sort of like they did in Martindale, not that the actual design of the Martindale LRT RoW is anything to be especially proud of).

The way development planning works around Canada's major cities generally but especially in Alberta is that a section (or concession in Ontario) of land is taken in hand and the original survey roads generally become the major arterials, thus defining each planning 'cell'. The development pattern within each cell is basically oriented away from the arterial roads.

Given all this, the place you want to run transit is not down the edge of a community (i.e. the arterials) but rather smack dab through the middle of it with a station in the middle of the cell acting as the primary node to the community. Development should have a density gradient from the centre to the edges of the cell.

60 St as an alignment probably makes some sense since it's not along one of the survey roads but rather quarter section lines and it is half way between Stoney Trail and Métis Trail... were it not apparently to be turned into a major arterial itself. From Saddletown northwards it should have been conceived of as, at most, a mainstreet or high street; instead it's going to get itself an interchange at Airport Trail and extra expense for the LRT to cross it. The alignments of 52 and 68 could have served as collectors.

Similarly, 128th as an alignment would make some sense were it not too being turned into some kind of arterial.

One still gets the impression that LRT is something to push to the edge of communities rather than to be integrated into their cores.
I think the idea is that he line is in the middle of two communities, instead of just in the middle of one. breaking it down further, I think the arguement is just how LRT lines should be oriented relative to major streets. You seem to be arguing that they should be beside each other. However, not building them beside each other means that there are two barriers to walking connectivity instead of just one.
     
     
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I think the proper question is: What should arterial streets look like?
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I think the proper question is: What should arterial streets look like?
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I think the idea is that he line is in the middle of two communities, instead of just in the middle of one.
Either way, it still has the same amount of land around it within walking distance, so you're not really getting two communities versus one. You're just getting the edges of two rather than all of one.

Moreover, running a line along a major arterial means that it is isolated from both communities by the arterial and the fences and sound walls that tend to accompany them.

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breaking it down further, I think the arguement is just how LRT lines should be oriented relative to major streets. You seem to be arguing that they should be beside each other. However, not building them beside each other means that there are two barriers to walking connectivity instead of just one.
Light rail lines don't need to be the kind of pedestrian barrier that Calgary tends to make them.

The thing with running light rail lines along major arterials is that trying to make pedestrian-oriented environments around the stations becomes far more difficult due to the fact that suburban arterials are not pedestrian friendly environments to begin with.
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Light rail lines don't need to be the kind of pedestrian barrier that Calgary tends to make them.
This is true. Where the train conflicts with roads we need signalling, which can really slow down crossings. However, pedestrians for the most part can look both ways and make a sound judgement whether or not it is safe to cross. Basically, at pedestrian speeds the human brain can make decisions about crossing safely.

Crowchild trail is a pedestrian barrier way more than the LRT.
     
     
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However, pedestrians for the most part can look both ways and make a sound judgement whether or not it is safe to cross. Basically, at pedestrian speeds the human brain can make decisions about crossing safely.


You DO see the news in Calgary, right?

While I agree with you in principle, I'm personally waiting for the typical safety over-reaction, where we'll install insurmountable gates to stop even one person from ever being close to a moving train.
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You DO see the news in Calgary, right?

While I agree with you in principle, I'm personally waiting for the typical safety over-reaction, where we'll install insurmountable gates to stop even one person from ever being close to a moving train.
it is amazing how many people are hit by trains. Its too bad the only way to avoid it (unless we become smarter and more aware of the world as a species) is to grade separate the whole thing, especially 36th street. If i had a billion dollars.. id be rich. BNL.
     
     
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