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Old Posted Jan 22, 2013, 1:46 AM
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Runway extension well underway at Madison County Executive Airport, The u shaped relocated road in the picture is now complete.


This airport located in north Madison County is home to Huntsville Hospitals Med Flight and defense contractors serving Redstone Arsenal. Its about 20 miles from Huntsville International Airport. The runway extension will accommodate small jet aircraft.
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CBL the owners, wont let that happen. That piece of property is gold.
CBL can't do anything but react to the market. That mall is on its last legs. Have you been inside it in the past year or so? More than half the storefronts are empty. The property it sits on is prime... which means it will have a buyer who will use it differently, probably for office space as an extension of Research Park East.
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CBL can't do anything but react to the market. That mall is on its last legs. Have you been inside it in the past year or so? More than half the storefronts are empty. The property it sits on is prime... which means it will have a buyer who will use it differently, probably for office space as an extension of Research Park East.
There is already a plan in place. They are going to convert much of it to an office park and livable space with some commercial.

I think Belk leaving is going to be the catalyst to get those plans going.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2013, 3:21 PM
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I have been reading this forum since I moved here almost a year ago from San Francisco Bay Area, so I thought it was time to start contributing.

1. I went by the twickenham square project and took some photos of the progress. Living in the Belk hudson lofts, I can not wait for the Publix to open. I walk over that way all the time and it would not be any problem to walk to pick up some food.

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2. On the current proposal to expand Bridge street, It is a little lack luster. WE have a development back in the bay area that is similar but it has a housing element to it. It is call Santana Row (http://www.santanarow.com/). It has very high end shops along with clubs, restaurants and other features. But the most important element it has is housing above all the store fronts (http://www.santanarow.com/living/). It is an amazing atmosphere and always lively because people also live there. One problem Bridge Street has is the lack of this element. I know for me, I do not want to drive. I want to get home and then walk to everything and this area does not seem to be very big on that. Just some food for thought. Maybe we can get into a discussion about how to get these developments started. Twickenham sqaure has the right idea but it needs to be massive expanded.

3. I have read a few places that downtown has a height limit for buildings. Does it still or has the mayor and company changed it.. Can someone explain to me what it currently is. I can not find anywhere any information on it other than it was up for vote in 2008. I really want to live in a high rise if I stay in the area. I know the Belk Hudson Lofts is almost completely full. This should be a great sign to developers to move in to build more. I have read where a lot of people want to keep downtown small to keep the square and surroundings, but i have been in many cities to where you can have both, if developed correctly. Anyones thoughts on this?

4. Downtown Huntsville is like San Jose, CA in many ways. In about 20 years it went from agricultural based economy to being the capital of silicon valley. The issue was that everyone thought it was still an rural city, when it was actually an urban one. It was a lot of work to help the people that lived there and around downtown to stop thinking of it that way. (example Suburban mentality; no surface parking, no where to park but there are garages everywhere and they are empty. Because they are used to strip malls) That is really hard to over come but they did it. Huntsville could learn a lot from them and not have to go through the billions it took to overcome that suburan mentality. They are enough transplants here, that a urban core would thrive and be successful.

Does anyone know how to get more involved in the downtown planning process so the mayor and company will know these kind of projects are wanted and so they can hear other views instead of the NIMBY?
Excellent! Thanks for the post. Bridge St. could be a lot more. There is actually all kinds of office space above the stores throughout, but very few are occupied due to high rent cost.

The Westin actually has condos on its top floors, but I heard those where barely occupied.

But they should have added condos mixed within all of the shopping and dining. That way you could have folks work in Research Park and bike/walk to work.
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Excellent! Thanks for the post. Bridge St. could be a lot more. There is actually all kinds of office space above the stores throughout, but very few are occupied due to high rent cost.

The Westin actually has condos on its top floors, but I heard those where barely occupied.

But they should have added condos mixed within all of the shopping and dining. That way you could have folks work in Research Park and bike/walk to work.
Too bad they do not leverage that office space to ensure success of the retail. At least at the beginning to get companies into the space to get the word spread about the advantages of working in a mixed use development. The development does not seem that well utilized/people draw for it to command a premium quite yet.

I had heard about the condos on top of the Westin and I was looking to tour one to buy but i found out that they took them off the market. I have no idea why they would do that. Living in the residential units in a hotel is all about being catered at the place you live without having your own full staff. Does anyone have any information on why they removed them from the market and why they plan on doing with the space? It seems like the developer has deep pockets and not really interested in making money. That whole development could really be the center of something unique in the area and they are falling flat.
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There is already a plan in place. They are going to convert much of it to an office park and livable space with some commercial.

I think Belk leaving is going to be the catalyst to get those plans going.
That would be the ideal plan once the mall closes.
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That would be the ideal plan once the mall closes.
I don't think they are waiting until the mall closes. The same company that owns it is planning on doing this. Go back many pages and you'll see what the plans are.
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Too bad they do not leverage that office space to ensure success of the retail. At least at the beginning to get companies into the space to get the word spread about the advantages of working in a mixed use development. The development does not seem that well utilized/people draw for it to command a premium quite yet.
They are very proud of it so they think they can command a premium. That place should be maxed out, but they are missing a big opportunity. I guess they see more from Sports Authority or Super Belk, than truly wanting to create a livable center.

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I had heard about the condos on top of the Westin and I was looking to tour one to buy but i found out that they took them off the market. I have no idea why they would do that. Living in the residential units in a hotel is all about being catered at the place you live without having your own full staff. Does anyone have any information on why they removed them from the market and why they plan on doing with the space?
They tried to create buzz that Goldie Hawn and her husband bought a condo there when their daughter was going to UAH. Haven't heard a peep since.

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It seems like the developer has deep pockets and not really interested in making money. That whole development could really be the center of something unique in the area and they are falling flat.
It doesn't seem like they know what to do with it. Besides being proud of it and charging premium rates.
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They are very proud of it so they think they can command a premium. That place should be maxed out, but they are missing a big opportunity. I guess they see more from Sports Authority or Super Belk, than truly wanting to create a livable center.


They tried to create buzz that Goldie Hawn and her husband bought a condo there when their daughter was going to UAH. Haven't heard a peep since.


It doesn't seem like they know what to do with it. Besides being proud of it and charging premium rates.
Believe it was their son who played hockey for UAH
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Downtown residence building eyed for renovation



For about $1.4 million, SKT Architects said, the authority (Housing) could put up a new "drainable exterior skin," replace all windows and window-mounted air conditioning units, and give the outside an updated look. A new exterior of brick, stucco or metal panels would "provide a rain screen," he said, "and visually, it makes the building a better neighbor with its surroundings."

Todd Towers is a short walk from the 301 East luxury condos, the old Times Building, Below the Radar Brewhouse and Belk Hudson Lofts.
Members of the housing authority's volunteer Board of Directors and local architect Frank Nola spent more than an hour Thursday discussing how to fix a long-standing moisture problem at Todd Towers while also giving the six-story building a fresh appearance.
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Todd Towers is a short walk from the 301 East luxury condos, the old Times Building, Below the Radar Brewhouse and Belk Hudson Lofts.
Members of the housing authority's volunteer Board of Directors and local architect Frank Nola spent more than an hour Thursday discussing how to fix a long-standing moisture problem at Todd Towers while also giving the six-story building a fresh appearance.
Definitively an improvement and if anything is developed in the fore ground of the picture in the vacant lot, it would compliment it nicely. Wasn't there a highrise suppose to go on that lot?

Also, in the bottom of the times building, next to below the radar, there is a model of a highrise that has the streets labeled holmes and something else.. i can' remember. But it was a 21 story building. What ever happened to the plans to build it?
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I'm pretty sure the high rise was the planned apartments by Randy Schrimsher had planned. I am fairly certain the project is dead.
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This office building is 10 floors too short, but Med Flight may be an issue since their landing pad is nearby.

"Huntsville Hospital has won the city's permission to build an elevated walkway linking its sprawling medical campus to the new Twickenham Square development.

At its meeting Thursday night, the Huntsville City Council voted unanimously to grant the hospital air rights to construct a covered pedestrian bridge above the Gallatin Street-St. Clair Avenue intersection. The hospital will pay $99 to lease the rights for 99 years.

Huntsville Hospital CEO David Spillers said the walkway will connect the hospital's main public parking garage with Triad Properties' planned medical office tower at Twickenham Square. The hospital intends to move its clinical laboratory - one of the largest hospital-based labs in the U.S. - to the third floor of the new building.

The move will more than double the square footage of the lab and free up space inside the hospital to enlarge the surgical department, Spillers said Thursday.

He said the walkway will likely be built diagonally, from southeast to northwest, above the intersection. Once finished, it will allow hospital employees and visitors to go between the hospital and Twickenham Square without having to wade through traffic."

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Downtown residence building eyed for renovation



For about $1.4 million, SKT Architects said, the authority (Housing) could put up a new "drainable exterior skin," replace all windows and window-mounted air conditioning units, and give the outside an updated look. A new exterior of brick, stucco or metal panels would "provide a rain screen," he said, "and visually, it makes the building a better neighbor with its surroundings."

Todd Towers is a short walk from the 301 East luxury condos, the old Times Building, Below the Radar Brewhouse and Belk Hudson Lofts.
Members of the housing authority's volunteer Board of Directors and local architect Frank Nola spent more than an hour Thursday discussing how to fix a long-standing moisture problem at Todd Towers while also giving the six-story building a fresh appearance.
This is certainly an improvement. I thought they were originally going to tear the Todd Tower down and replace it with a new "tower". This option, I am sure, is cheaper. More residential downtown development Is what Huntsville needs.
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This is certainly an improvement. I thought they were originally going to tear the Todd Tower down and replace it with a new "tower". This option, I am sure, is cheaper. More residential downtown development Is what Huntsville needs.
That was an option but it would be more expensive and only 5 floors due to the height buffer zone adjacent to Twickenham and Old Town Historic districts,
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That was an option but it would be more expensive and only 5 floors due to the height buffer zone adjacent to Twickenham and Old Town Historic districts,
Too bad about the height restrictions. Any chance these will someday be reversed?
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Too bad about the height restrictions. Any chance these will someday be reversed?
Its only in areas that are adjacent to the historic districts, height is not an issue elsewhere downtown.
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Whatever you say winn dixie quest. You had a chance to become something spectacular.


The museum is relocating into a vacant grocery store in Madison Village Shopping Center. Since it opened in 1999, Sci-Quest has shared space with Calhoun Community College at the school's Wynn Drive campus in Huntsville's Cummings Research Park. But Sci-Quest officials had to find a new home last year after Calhoun announced plans to expand into the museum's space.

Cyndy Morgan, Sci-Quest executive director, and Randy Lycans, Sci-Quest board chairman, told council members that crews have completed the clean-out and preparation work at the former grocery store so construction will begin any day now.

Except for landscaping and putting up a new façade on the front of the building, all construction will be indoors, so it shouldn't experience any weather delays, Morgan added.

Lycans said it's "exciting and nerve-wracking" to be beginning construction while knowing it needs to be ready by mid-May when the first group of children arrive for two months of summer camps.

The new home will be 36,000-square feet, slightly smaller than Sci-Quest's Calhoun location, but it will increase the number of classrooms from two to seven.

Lycans believes the new site and location will help it boost the number of summer campers from 1,800 to 2,500 this year. In addition, the hands-on museum expects overall attendance of 10,000 to 12,000 to double in Madison, he said.
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There seriously had to have been a better option... I'm surprised there weren't any obvious efforts made by public officials to work out something better.
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There seriously had to have been a better option... I'm surprised there weren't any obvious efforts made by public officials to work out something better.
There was serious effort by the City of Huntsville and later the Space and rocket Center for at least 6 years to work a deal with Sci Quest. The city at one time wanted them downtown.

This article from 7 years ago

Sci-Quest may move to Councill School site
Supporters eager to refurbish historic but neglected building
Thursday, February 02, 2006By JOHN PECK
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Talks have begun on a proposal to move Sci-Quest into the old segregation-era Councill School building downtown.

Huntsville City Councilman Richard Showers and Madison County Commissioner Bob Harrison confirmed Wednesday that the Councill site is being considered as a possible location for the hands-on science center. Sci-Quest is on Wynn Drive in the Calhoun Community College building, across Interstate 565 from the U.S. Space & Rocket Center.

Both emphasized that the discussions are preliminary and that no decisions have been made.

"This is a very worthwhile effort. We need to try to work it out to satisfy everybody," Harrison said.

Supporters view the move as a way to renovate the deteriorating but historic Councill building.

"To renovate and refurbish and bring back a legacy to this community and have young people in there would be a plus," Showers said.

"What better mix than to have a current state-of-the-art science education facility in association with a historical and traditional education facility?" Harrison asked.

Sci-Quest Director J.D. Horne could not be reached for comment Wednesday. Horne has said previously that he and the Sci-Quest board support moving downtown if it would boost attendance and if the nonprofit center could afford it.

Cost a factor

City leaders and Sci-Quest officials have been mulling over a proposal to move Sci-Quest into a vacant section of the Huntsville Utilities office near Big Spring International Park. Utility representatives and city officials say that option may be too costly for Sci-Quest, which now pays only token rent for its 42,500 square feet at Calhoun.

"A lot of those talking have some reservations whether they (Sci-Quest) can afford that," Showers said.

There also would be parking problems at the Huntsville Utilities building but not at the Councill site, which is on St. Clair Avenue, beside the Huntsville-Madison County Public Library.

The Tennessee Valley Authority charter that governed the creation of Huntsville Utilities prohibits the utility from leasing office space for less than market value. Harrison said the rent alone would be in the $300,000 range.

Harrison said two Sci-Quest board members he talked with recently seemed open to Councill as a new home. Officers for the William Hooper Councill Alumni Association also spoke favorably about the idea, he said.

"They think it's a great idea," Harrison said. "They gave me the authority to proceed to see if we could facilitate that."

Harrison said he's still awaiting an official response from U.S. Rep. Bud Cramer on whether grant money the congressman secured to renovate the Huntsville Utilities building for Sci-Quest could be used to rebuild Councill.

$2 million grant to move
In a statement Wednesday, Cramer, D-Huntsville, said the grant is not limited to the Huntsville Utilities building. The $2 million is to help Sci-Quest relocate to enhance its offerings.

"This can be done at many locations in Huntsville, and I am sure Sci-Quest is considering them all," he said.

Earnest Horton, president of the Councill Alumni Association, said Wednesday that his group could support the Sci-Quest relocation and continues to look for grants, foundation awards and other sources of money to renovate the building. The alumni group released a master plan last fall showing a proposed multimillion-dollar makeover of the building.

Plans call for an auditorium/concert hall, a ballroom, a museum, several small offices and community rooms for tutoring, computer training, GED classes and other programs, and possibly a parking garage and community clinic.

Horton said those plans could be modified to accommodate Sci-Quest.

"We're prepared to tailor the building to satisfy any one of those components that will enhance its livelihood and help children learn and grow into more productive citizens," he said Wednesday.

The city owns the Councill property but has agreed to sell it to the alumni group for a nominal fee once its renovation plans are complete.

For nearly a century, Councill School was the only high school for black students in Huntsville. Desegregation ended its role as a high school in the 1960s. Arts organizations and civic groups occupied the building until a flood in 2003 severely damaged the already decaying building. The city declared it a safety hazard and shut its doors. Early estimates for a makeover suggest a $6.7 million price tag.

Huntsville Utilities spokesman Bill Yell said Wednesday that a professional services company has expressed interest in the utility's empty office space. The City Council in December authorized the utility to spend up to $1.8 million to renovate the space to make it more attractive to lease.

Huntsville Utilities officials said earlier that the going lease rate would be $16 to $18 per square foot but possibly less if the utility doesn't have to spend its own capital renovating the space. Officials say at least two other companies have expressed interest in the space

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