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Old Posted Jan 17, 2013, 10:31 PM
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From today's T&T
http://22864.vws.magma.ca/index.php?&article_id=10485

Cathedral studied for Metro Acadian centre
Thursday, January 17, 2013
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A citizen committee is set to study whether the Notre-Dame de l’Assomption Cathedral would be an appropriate home for an Acadian community cultural centre in Metro Moncton.

Alexis Couture, a law student and member of the Société de l’Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick, is one of five people on the committee hoping to move forward with the study, beginning sometime this spring and yielding results by the fall.

The study will look at all aspects of implementing and sustaining a centre, but the first choice among all involved is studying the feasibility of transitioning the cathedral for multi-purpose use, much like Moncton’s Community Peace Centre.

“In the long-term, if the study suggests it’s possible, we’re looking at something like the Peace Centre,” Couture said. “We really want to use the cathedral as it’s a great Acadian symbol and holds great potential.”

Last summer, it was revealed that the cathedral’s future was in jeopardy, needing nearly $7 million in renovations and upgrades. Couture says the committee already spoke with religious authorities for the cathedral and the archbishop, who gave their blessings and say they are interested in the project.

“They can’t sustain the costs of the building anymore, but it’s got emotional, historical and cultural value in the Acadian community. It was built by the community for the community over 70 years ago and no one wants to lose it.”

The committee, which also includes an architect, initially surveyed 15 small Acadian community organizations in Metro Moncton about the centre and the cathedral as its home. They are set to study the human resources needed, and financial and material aspects of Acadian organizations in the region should they make a move to an all-encompassing centre.

“The thinking on this started a few years ago,” he said. “In the Greater Moncton area, Acadian community groups spend nearly $250,000 in rent to anonymous owners, so the money is not going directly back to the community.”

Although the project is in its infancy, the committee already has been gifted with the architectural study of the cathedral done a few years ago by the office of the archbishop, outlining work that needs to be done in the next five to 10 years to maintain the structure.

They’re also looking to expand the number of partners, Couture says.

“We’re looking for other organizations that would be looking for a space, so it could be small Acadian businesses, cafés, restaurants, book shops. It’s really not closed to just offices, but it will be a community space, whether it’s within the cathedral or elsewhere.”

Personal note - So, this citizens committee views their proposal as an Acadian version of the Peace Centre next to Central United Church. This has considerable merit. It could save the Assomption Cathedral which is a significant downtown landmark. It would centralize a number of Acadian cultural organizations and agencies in a single location, which should allow synergies to develop. It would also help to reinvigorate the central portion of St. George Street by providing more workers in the area through the work week. This seems like a win/win/win scenario. I wonder how much government involvement they want in this project?
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2013, 3:07 AM
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I'm liking this idea very much. I envision St-George street as a laid back multicultural friendly street full of cafes, boutiques, small restaurants and small businesses mixed with dense apartments & condos.

If they can only get back on track with the St-George st beautification program.

City should also provide the St-George street store owners some incentives to upgrade/renovate their store fronts.
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Actually on the downtown moncton inc site they mention there is a program in the city for store front beautification. Ill find it and post it on here later!
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Facade Development

The city started this in 2012, I got this off of the city website.

http://downtownmoncton.com/facade-development-program.php

Façade Development Program a huge success!

In 2012, DMCI launched its new Facade Development Program to provide assistance to commercial property owners and business owners within the Business Improvement Area (BIA) in renovating, improving and restoring the façades of the buildings that make up the character of our downtown.

In offering the Facade Development Program, our goal is to improve the overall attractiveness of the BIA as a shopping destination, to decrease the number of vacant buildings by attracting and retaining tenants, and to build and reinforce a greater sense of community in Downtown Moncton while promoting environmentalism and supporting local workmanship.

We wish to help business and commercial property owners realize the potential of their properties in the most sustainable and energy efficient ways possible, in order to create a more beautiful, green and welcoming area to live and work.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2013, 4:13 AM
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I'm liking this idea very much. I envision St-George street as a laid back multicultural friendly street full of cafes, boutiques, small restaurants and small businesses mixed with dense apartments & condos.
this indeed could be the destiny for St. George. The northern perimeter of the downtown core. Build the density with mid sized apartment and condo buildings in the 6-8 storey range. This will provide the population base to support ground level services, boutiques and restaurants. Throw in some cultural organizations and medium sized businesses and you could have a complete and pedestrian friendly urban corridor which would nicely complement Main St to the south.
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From today's T&T
http://22864.vws.magma.ca/index.php?&article_id=10485

Cathedral studied for Metro Acadian centre
Thursday, January 17, 2013
Times & Transcript

A citizen committee is set to study whether the Notre-Dame de l’Assomption Cathedral would be an appropriate home for an Acadian community cultural centre in Metro Moncton.

Alexis Couture, a law student and member of the Société de l’Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick, is one of five people on the committee hoping to move forward with the study, beginning sometime this spring and yielding results by the fall.

The study will look at all aspects of implementing and sustaining a centre, but the first choice among all involved is studying the feasibility of transitioning the cathedral for multi-purpose use, much like Moncton’s Community Peace Centre.
I love this idea!!

Along with the potential this brings to downtown Moncton, I would like to mention the significance of an Acadian organisation in Moncton -- instead of in Dieppe.

The establishment of this Acadian centre would help francise Moncton, creating a cultural atmosphere that would allow Acadians to feel more at home. I desire for francophones to look at both Moncton and Dieppe as their communities -- communities they can share and cherish with anglophones

And as I've previously mentioned, I want Acadians to support the notion of a Dieppe-Moncton merge. Many of the non-radical Acadians already do (my entire family certainly does). This centre may bring more on board with a political move that would benefit the entire area.
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Don't forget francophones already have the Centre culturel Aberdeen. It's downtown and there's no anglophone equivalent (at least that I'm aware of).

And according to this article (http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/atlantique/2013/01/16/014-cathedrale-centre-communautaire.shtml) from Radio-Canada on the same topic, this new centre would come about because Aberdeen is full and has a waiting list for new tenants.

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Selon M. Légère, le plus grand défi à surmonter sera le financement. Pour mener à bien les rénovations, le Centre culturel Aberdeen a profité du programme d'infrastructures d'Ottawa et de Fredericton, un programme qui pourrait prendre fin dans un peu plus d'un an.

Il ajoute que le groupe qui veut prendre en main la cathédrale ne pourra pas se fier uniquement sur une campagne de financement auprès du public.

René Légère croit qu'il y a de la place pour les deux centres et se dit prêt à offrir ses conseils au groupe.
Rough translation: René Légère (the director at Aberdeen) says that the greatest challenge will be financing. To renovate Aberdeen (which cost over $4M according to the article), funds were obtained from Fredericton and Ottawa via an infrastructure grants program which could be ending in about a year. He adds that the new group will not be able to rely solely on a public financing campaign, and that he believes there is room for both centres.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2013, 5:03 PM
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Don't forget francophones already have the Centre culturel Aberdeen. It's downtown and there's no anglophone equivalent (at least that I'm aware of).

And according to this article (http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/atlantique/2013/01/16/014-cathedrale-centre-communautaire.shtml) from Radio-Canada on the same topic, this new centre would come about because Aberdeen is full and has a waiting list for new tenants.
It's great to see cultural centres thrive like this. The article seems to suggest that the proposed centre at the cathedral would be located in the basement. Hopefully, having tenants can help with maintenance and repairs for the building. For the most part, churches are amazing buildings. As the number of parishioners dwindle, we need to find other uses for them so they can be maintained for future generations.
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Don't forget francophones already have the Centre culturel Aberdeen. It's downtown and there's no anglophone equivalent (at least that I'm aware of).
No, there is no anglophone equivalent to the Centre Culturel Aberdeen, but that won't stop me from supporting this proposal for the Assomption Cathedral.

The cathedral is already an Acadian institution, and if there is no more room at the Centre Culturel Aberdeen, it only makes sense that any overflow be accomodated here.

As has already been pointed out, St. George Street has oodles of potential and could very well become an important ethnocultural district in the center of the city. Having important cultural assets in the neighbourhood would be a major plus. The synergies of having some of them clustered in buildings like the Cathedral and at Aberdeen make sense. This will only add to the vibrancy of the neighbourhood.

I don't think we should be absolute slaves to the concept of strict duality in any event. As such, we shouldn't necessarily sweat the fact that anglophones don't have the same cultural resources as the francophone community. It would be nice to have an anglophone equivalent of the Aberdeen Centre, but the importance of saving the cathedral is too great to raise any fuss over any perceived inequity. This proposal has considerable merit and should be supported.
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Anglophones have the advantage of existing in the North American anglo-bubble. French is in the minority. I completely understand the need for francophone cultural centres, and as an anglophone I completely support them.

(And in terms of English, I'm of the opinion that our Commonwealth English could use some cultural fortitude, as we have become somewhat Americanised over the generations.)

At some point in the future, I hope the Moncton area -- and more broadly, the Province of New Brunswick -- readdresses bilingualism in our schools. There are many educational models, from many multi-lingual countries around the world, from which we may draw inspiration.

Anglophone and francophone New Brunswick students should be fluent in both of Canada's official languages. There are European and African nations that educate their children in three, four, and in some cases FIVE languages... Managing two languages is very possible. We are choosing not to make it a priority, which only harms us politically and economically in the long-term.
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As per recent discussions on the downtown Moncton thread.
From today's T&T

http://22864.vws.magma.ca/index.php?&article_id=10491

Downtown apartment building is rising fast
Friday, January 18, 2013
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By: Brent Mazerolle

Residential construction in Moncton neighbourhood is booming

It's not your imagination. A new large apartment building at the corner of Gordon Street and Cameron Street is going up faster than usual, thanks to prefabricated panel construction.

And no, it's not your imagination about downtown either. Residential construction is growing much faster than usual, the fruition of a decades-old dream of city leaders.

Whether it's Moncton's civic leaders or the development experts who have advised them over the years, or just the ordinary folks who see it as common sense, anyone who cares about the success of Moncton's downtown core has long known it's not enough to draw businesses and their workers.

For any community to have a vibrant, desirable, functional and safe downtown, people must live in it.

Moncton's downtown, like many other North American urban cores, had been for decades losing residents instead of gaining them.

Cities grow up, grow outward and then grow old. Fortunately, that demographic wheel in Moncton's downtown has come almost full circle now, as the past decade has seen increasing numbers of residential buildings springing up all over the heart of the city.

And while the circle hasn't gotten to the stage that we're seeing too many young families flocking to the core just yet, that core is paradoxically coming alive as the biggest demographic of all, the baby boomers, grows older.

Retirees are downsizing these days, giving up oversized and empty nests for easier to care for apartments.

And a number of local developers have been busy catering to both empty nesters and the young adults who also want to live downtown.

Two area businessmen, Donald Robichaud and Louis Léger, are doing that dramatically with their new 61-unit apartment complex going up at a blink-and-you'll miss it pace on Gordon at Cameron streets. Thanks to advances in concrete and construction generally, Robichaud and Léger haven't worried about the increasingly old-fashioned concept of 'construction season,' working right through the Moncton winter.

'We should have the building roof-tight by mid- to late-February,' Robichaud said yesterday. He said they hope to have the building completed by about mid-June.

Are the partners worried the downtown apartment market might be getting saturated? Not at all.

Six months before the first tenant seems likely to be moving in, and 'right now, we're half full,' Robichaud says.

He confirmed many of their future tenants are retired boomers, attracted by the location, the prospect of a brand new building, and elevators, an important consideration for many.

As for construction now. One floor is up and 'by next Wednesday, we'll have the second floor done,' he says.
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Yet another example of Moncton Boosterism from the T&T.
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Anglophones have the advantage of existing in the North American anglo-bubble. French is in the minority. I completely understand the need for francophone cultural centres, and as an anglophone I completely support them.

(And in terms of English, I'm of the opinion that our Commonwealth English could use some cultural fortitude, as we have become somewhat Americanised over the generations.)

At some point in the future, I hope the Moncton area -- and more broadly, the Province of New Brunswick -- readdresses bilingualism in our schools. There are many educational models, from many multi-lingual countries around the world, from which we may draw inspiration.

Anglophone and francophone New Brunswick students should be fluent in both of Canada's official languages. There are European and African nations that educate their children in three, four, and in some cases FIVE languages... Managing two languages is very possible. We are choosing not to make it a priority, which only harms us politically and economically in the long-term.
Magnanimity on the language issue - as shown by you and MonctonRad - is something that I really like about anglos in NB. Not everyone is like this of course, but it is much more present in NB than anywhere west of the Ottawa River.
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Magnanimity on the language issue - as shown by you and MonctonRad - is something that I really like about anglos in NB. Not everyone is like this of course, but it is much more present in NB than anywhere west of the Ottawa River.
Thank you for the compliment.

In terms of the attitudes you're witnessing from anglophones in the Ottawa region, I find that very disappointing, and even embarrassing; and I would go as far as to say those anglophones lack an education, not just about Canadian history in terms of what anglophones and francophones have worked together to achieve, but lack an understanding of how Modern English came about. French and English are extremely intimate in this context.

If you speak English, then you already speak an amount of French.
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Not looking to start anything, I am an Anglo also and I'm on board with all these things also, but remember, this is the downtown moncton development page, we don't want to get to far off track. I recommend maybe starting Moncton bilingual page or moncton Acadian page for those who wish to chat about the benefits of being bilingual and way it brings to the city!
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Not looking to start anything, I am an Anglo also and I'm on board with all these things also, but remember, this is the downtown moncton development page, we don't want to get to far off track.
I agree absolutely. It is not uncommon for threads to go off topic for a few posts, and that is OK (up to a point), but there is a fine line between being a little off topic and having a thread hijacked. We are approaching that tipping point here. Now that we have new local moderators, I expect that we will see less thread hijacking.

Now back to the Downtown Moncton Development Thread.....
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Not looking to start anything, I am an Anglo also and I'm on board with all these things also, but remember, this is the downtown moncton development page, we don't want to get to far off track. I recommend maybe starting Moncton bilingual page or moncton Acadian page for those who wish to chat about the benefits of being bilingual and way it brings to the city!
I don't feel Moncton needs another thread; there is already an obvious saturation, considering the relatively low volume of development activity this city sees (especially in its downtown). It is for that reason that discussing topics at length and even talking to each other in a more personable manner, such as what we were just doing, shouldn't be discouraged.

We want people to enjoy their time here, and to not feel overly burdened by purist concerns.

Let's leave the moderating to the moderators.
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Makes our jobs easier when you guys do the work yourselves haha
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Why do I feel a strange "Hey I know that guy!" feeling every time I see an ambulance that says "Malley" even though I've never met Myles?

Because it is the personal touches that make this forum interesting.

We just need to set limits on how much junk content we want, and accept to move on when others point out the conversation has degraded into personal restaurant tastes, or worse, personal attacks because of chosen beliefs.

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Yes, but we know that you and Greg have our backs now when dealing with the trolls.
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