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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 5:40 PM
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New "Rendering" from CBC:



I like how 24-28 are just shadows.

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kudos to Jason Farr! He handled this better than McHattie.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 7:13 PM
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From that rendering, it looks as though scotiabank will leave their location and it will be developed for commercial use such as cafes? That seems odd to me. I hope they dont ruin the beautiful interior of that bank.

does blanchard own that building as well?
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:20 AM
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This "result" is a joke. Blanchard and company outfoxed the councilors: the fox welcomed the sheep, who bleated loudly enough to convince us they made a difference.

Blanchard can flatten all the properties at any time. There is no legal underpinning to prevent this, despite the spin announced today.

F$ck.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 4:26 AM
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This "result" is a joke. Blanchard and company outfoxed the councilors: the fox welcomed the sheep, who bleated loudly enough to convince us they made a difference.
Thank you for putting it so eloquently!

Still no concrete design plan or financial backers... but knock 24-28 King St. E. as soon as possible.

Steel City Gill just opened last year at 24 King St. E., hope they didn't sign a long-term lease!
And David Premi is located on the 2nd floor of 28 King St. E., how's that for conflict of interest!

Wow a coloured! rendering with cars facing the wrong way on a street that's supposed to have already have been 'pedestrianized' and have no cars.

Sigh...
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 1:39 PM
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Well here's a quote to make you choke on your morning coffee.

Quoted in an article in The Spec - http://bit.ly/ZVm4sC - Kathy Drewitt, Exec Director of the downtown BIA, says that "what sets Hamilton core apart from other cities is the historic architecture".

Is she kidding? Does the downtown BIA get involved with problems like the destruction of downtown core buildings? Or does it promote the warm fuzzy feelings of Christmas in Gore Park?
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:14 PM
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This "result" is a joke. Blanchard and company outfoxed the councilors: the fox welcomed the sheep, who bleated loudly enough to convince us they made a difference.

Blanchard can flatten all the properties at any time. There is no legal underpinning to prevent this, despite the spin announced today.

F$ck.
I don't know what you mean by any of this. No one outfoxed anyone. Outside of the option of provincial designation, which I'm told doesn't happen, he was fully within his rights to knock the buildings down anyway. There were no legal underpinnings before but there are some now in that he's promised to keep some of them.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 2:14 PM
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So as of this morning the story on the spec has changed,

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/870226--heritage-some-gore-facades-will-be-saved

And apparently 18-22 will not be "saved" and restored anymore, but the facades will be saved "if we can hold it up and do what we can do, then we'll do it"

well that good news seems to have died pretty quickly.
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I don't know what you mean by any of this. ...
It's not terribly complicated. Blanchard has no obligations under law with regard to the properties. He can destroy or restore at any time. Keeping a promise may be an ethical obligation, but that's the extent of it.
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The Ontario government is asked to step in on protecting the Gore buildings from demolition.

Story is here: http://bit.ly/Wn1kJS
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The Ontario government is asked to step in on protecting the Gore buildings from demolition.

Story is here: http://bit.ly/Wn1kJS
A recent Globe and Mail article noted that "The province has the power to intervene, but likely will not. A spokesperson for Minister Michael Chan, whose portfolio includes heritage, said the buildings are purely a local matter." I'm sure the ACO is doing its best, but the Minister's talking points might not change much.

Hope comes from the Lister precedent. Its salvation lay in being deemed a provincially significant heritage building, and in winning that designation during an election cycle, thereby loosing $7 million in provincial funds. The calculus is somewhat different for these buildings, and the economic environment was a little more genial back in the day. The province was sitting on a $2.3 billion surplus in fiscal 2006-2007, but saddled with a $13 billion deficit five years later.
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Wow a coloured! rendering with cars facing the wrong way on a street that's supposed to have already have been 'pedestrianized' and have no cars.

Sigh...
Haha, observant and so true.. Also, the vehicle to the left is a UAZ van only produced and sold in Russia lol.
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Paul Wilson: Wreckers at the ready on the Gore – can we try the Toronto way?

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/talk/story/2013/05/27/hamilton-tour.html

Before this week is out, five storefronts on Gore Park will be empty. Two shut the door some time ago, and a restaurant, a convenience store and a payday-loan shop will close Friday.

They’re leaving because they have to. The development company that owns these 1800s buildings has other plans.

The original scheme was to knock down all five to make way for a big retail/ condo project. Now the developers say they might be able to save three of the buildings.

As for the other two, the goal is still to tear them down. David Blanchard makes that very clear. He expects that to happen within six months.

He and his partners have the finest heritage holdings in downtown Hamilton. There’s the Bank of Montreal, the Landed Banking and Loan, and the SunLife/Pigott complex, all at Main and James.

But their passion for historic architecture does not extend to those buildings on Gore Park, none of which is protected by designation under the Ontario Heritage Act. (Hamilton council has shown great reluctance to designate a property against the owner’s wishes.)

Babysitting buildings

Even though redevelopment plans are still vague, the developers want the old structures down this year. "The buildings are shot," Blanchard says. "We’ve been babysitting them for 12 or 13 years."

They’ve been persuaded to look at saving the front third of three of the buildings in that historic row, with the idea of retail at ground level and condo lofts above.

But Blanchard says that even if some downtown renewal money does materialize, he’s not yet convinced that option makes sense. "If we have to sell the units for $800,000, it won’t work."

His outfit wants to demolish the other two buildings. Is there any way he’d be open to saving the facades to keep that stretch of the historic Gore Park facade intact?

"We would certainly consider it if it didn’t ruin our larger plans," Blanchard says. And he says the city would have to underwrite the expense of that facade restoration.

So what would it cost to save Hamilton’s history on the Gore? Blanchard can’t say, "but I’m sure there are people in Toronto who know all about this."

A Toronto tour

Funny he should mention that, because we’re just back from a little tour of Toronto. Yonge Street specifically, where a couple of developers clearly know that heritage sells.

Jeff Feswick is on the journey. He’s president of Historia Building Restoration, and a guy who put his money where his mouth is. He bought the long-derelict but still beautiful 1879 Treble Hall on John South and is bringing it back to life.

On board too, photographer Reg Beaudry, creator and art director of urbanicity magazine. His feelings on heritage can be summed up by his reaction to the recent demolition of Sanford Avenue School. "When it went down, it took a chunk of my soul."
There will be no bad seats in the restaurant atop the Dineen building.

First stop is at 140 Yonge, a couple of blocks south of Queen. In 1897, the Dineen Hat and Fur Company built a handsome four-storey headquarters here. In recent decades, the building had taken a long slide. The floors above the street were mostly a flop house, mattress space going for $100 a month.

Into this picture rode Clayton Smith, president of the Commercial Realty Group. He has half-a-dozen historic properties in the core now. Company tag: Heritage Buildings – Modern Space.

He bought the Dineen building in 2011 for $7 million, then spent another $4 million to make it sparkle.

Picked the right people


He knew there would be surprises, but got the right people. He chose Philip Hoad, head of Empire Restoration, to do all exterior work. Until a couple of years ago, Hoad was the city of Hamilton’s manager of heritage facilities. On this job, he had to replace about 2,000 vintage bricks, 110 windows and a lot of copper.

Smith works with his trades directly, no general contractor. He’s on site with them early each morning. "It’s important to keep momentum," he says. "And they give me advice. I’m learning all the time."

Toronto designated the Dineen building in 2009. Normally that means nothing on the exterior can change. But because Smith had conserved the building, the city was prepared to let him add another floor. It’s all glass, and there will be no bad seats in the high-end rooftop restaurant that opens there this summer.

Smith has been to Hamilton. "It’s a beautiful city and some of the buildings are great... I drive through and I drool. But I have to know the financials. I have to know it’s going to work."

So he’s sticking to downtown Toronto. Word of mouth from tenants in his other heritage properties made it possible to fill the Dineen before the restoration was complete.

He showcases heritage right through the building. Exposed bricks, beams, photos, massive old safes, even a history loop on the big-screen monitor in a lower-level lounge. There may be shinier places to work in downtown Toronto, but the character quotient here can’t be touched.

Biggest facade project


Up the street on Yonge north of Wellesley is the FIVE Condos project. A 50-storey tower will be soon start soaring. But at ground level, they’re saving history.

On a side street called St. Joseph, mammoth girders of steel prop up the front wall – Gothic Arch entrance and all – of the century-old Rawlinson Cartage building. "This is definitely the largest facade restoration project in the city to date," says Ryan Love of E.R.A. Architects.

Work like that costs $1 million or more, but it wasn’t optional. "The protection of facades was always non-negotiable from a city standpoint," Love says.

Around the corner on Yonge, as part of the same project, five vintage storefronts are being saved. The city designated them, then worked out a deal with the developers that will see the facades saved.

Behind that historic front, between the original walls that separate the buildings, new condo lofts are being built. New concrete floors, insulation, drywall, air conditioning. They’re going for $300,000 to $600,000.

"From a sales standpoint, it’s a large benefit to have these authentic structures," Love says.

As for Jeff Feswick of Treble Hall, the projects on Yonge – and the people doing them – filled him with hope. "They’re angels. I love it," he says. "Everything they said, I understand it, I buy it.. and I think pride has an awful lot to do with the end result."
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Some people would buy those buildings on the south side of King and see it as a great opportunity. Others, like Blanchard, see it as a burden. You can see that in his 'babysitting' comment. Pissed me right off to read that, actually.
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Some people would buy those buildings on the south side of King and see it as a great opportunity. Others, like Blanchard, see it as a burden. You can see that in his 'babysitting' comment. Pissed me right off to read that, actually.
it's all pretty depressing. The Gore isn't just any street, it's Hamilton's historic square (well more like a rectangle).
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Old Posted May 29, 2013, 9:23 PM
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It's ONTARIO'S historic square - and the silence from the ministry is deafening...
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Indeed. And yes, Ontario's historic triangle just doesn't sound right, does it.
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