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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 5:53 AM
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Very good op.ed. article in the Freep by TV, a good comment after the article stating hopes that the Kapyong development doesn't end up with more broken promises like Waverley West.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/marching-to-the-citys-heartbeat-186738591.html
     
     
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Fortress Developments will be releasing more info on their 80+ million project hopefully in two to three weeks.
As of right now, a 4 storey commercial podium with one tower proposed to be 32 storeys and a future shorter tower of undetermined height. This will likely evolve as the project proceeds.
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As of right now, a 4 storey commercial podium with one tower proposed to be 32 storeys and a future shorter tower of undetermined height. This will likely evolve as the project proceeds.
Where is the planned location of this building site?
     
     
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As of right now, a 4 storey commercial podium with one tower proposed to be 32 storeys and a future shorter tower of undetermined height. This will likely evolve as the project proceeds.
I cringe every time I hear about a "future second tower".
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 3:32 PM
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Very good op.ed. article in the Freep by TV, a good comment after the article stating hopes that the Kapyong development doesn't end up with more broken promises like Waverley West.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/marching-to-the-citys-heartbeat-186738591.html
All though i like the idea what Calgary did, I do not and I know if Calgarys idea would work here, we all ready have a lot of high end area's, that people would rather live then this area.

What I fear if the Aboriginal Claim falls through, is that this area will turn into two things, big box crap, or more Tuxedo style properties, and Tuxedo, has expressed concern that they have no land to expand. To them I say tough luck, lots of area's are like this.

But what I do not want to see is the place lvl'd, as just before our troops moved the feds spent millions on those buildings , new windows, new insulation, new heat and water. I am talking about the two gorgous ones you always see with their great columns and the other one close to route 90, these should be turned into apartments for the area, we are low on them and this would be an EASY retrofit and goes with the plane of an urban living enviroment. They other I guess you can call industrial buildings, could be turned into business of sorts, not heavy equipment or trucking, but more like high tech ones. This creates jobs etc in the area. On the East side we have the nicest or oldest of the buildings, the one where the tanks used to be, and the old which is still used by the police and other services to store crap, but was the maitenance building, that one building should be a museum of sorts that reflects the long past of the Kap. The other has so much grass land behind it, it would be nice if that was left as a park, the area really has no green space, unless you want to claim the railway or ass park.

Then comes the arena, there is one sitting in all the buildings, it is the same design as every other one in the city, but in way better shape, seen it myself as of course the feds kept it up to par, unlike city owned ones. This should be used as a community center again.

And last but not least, is the old Gym and pool, what not let some interesting folks, say the YMCA renovate this place and take it over, hell let them have it for a $1. It is a good building still.

The land behind it, leave it alone, in fact if I remember correctly, this was deemed very close to still being tall grass prairie. So why not save this massive green space with bike paths, walks with interpertive stops along the way, the schools in the area would or could use it.

As for all that housing going to waste, and they are built well, been in them also. If it is to much darn trouble for the feds or the city to use them, then let people like Habitat use them, this is a win win, as it fills empty houses, gets low income people who want to work and own a home a chance to get one, and it brings in tax dollars and it also brings all the people back to the area.

But on the sad side I see the damn Super Store eyeing this all up as they are in a really bad spot tbh. But I definatly do not want to see this torn down only to be rebuilt in some god awfule way.
     
     
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One problem with the stockyard site is, you can almost assume that CP Rail will manage to have one of their long trains to or from Emerson come by just as everybody is leaving an event and block traffic wanting to go west on Marion.

I don't think there is really a way to put a rail underpass or overpass in at the Marion & Archibald intersection.
The city is currently planning on doing something with Marion, including a grade separation somewhere there. Funding is included in the 2013 capital budget for preliminary design. Costs of $70-$100M from what I can remember.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 3:37 PM
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I cringe every time I hear about a "future second tower".
Yes we have heard this one how many times now...

Portage place STILL missing two towers.
Commodity Exchange tower, still missing its twin.
TD Tower , still missing its twin, and its so called media tower that was to be built beside the Electric light building.

These were all for sure deals back in the 80's and 90's and they are just sitting there empty.

But what gets me is the Portage Place ones, parking is there, a mall, and the structure to build on, all the stuff that would be needed to build a tall building was built in place and is now holding up 4 stories instead of 20 or more. Same goes for Winnipeg Square, it has parking , you would THINK if someone wanted to SAVE $$$$$$$$$$ they would pick these spots as they are far ahead in the building process. Look how long it takes to get a foundation in here in winnipeg. Why not build on ones all ready there.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 3:43 PM
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The city is currently planning on doing something with Marion, including a grade separation somewhere there. Funding is included in the 2013 capital budget for preliminary design. Costs of $70-$100M from what I can remember.
Planning and doing .....lol.

But yes there was an Idea to reroute the entire road, as trying to go through that area is not really a great idea, to many business's would be disrupted, and I really do not want the encroaching on the small creek that sits right beside that now rail crossing. It may not look much to anyone, but it is actually very nice if you actually walked down it as it goes deep into the industrial park. This would be another nice place for a bike path.

But I do remember the re routing of the road to the North. And I believe it was to be lined up with Dugald Rd.

As for the old Stock yards, has anyone actually walked in there? I have many times, go and google earth it, the south part minus the car drop off area, is actually prestine wetlands, there is a lake in there, marsh, woodlands, this should be saved as the area is a concrete jungle. It is the last green space in the area. The northern part would be nice to see some sort of transit set up and some dense infill houseing, not just more run of the mill single family housing.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 3:47 PM
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Yes we have heard this one how many times now...

Portage place STILL missing two towers.
Commodity Exchange tower, still missing its twin.
TD Tower , still missing its twin, and its so called media tower that was to be built beside the Electric light building.

These were all for sure deals back in the 80's and 90's and they are just sitting there empty.

But what gets me is the Portage Place ones, parking is there, a mall, and the structure to build on, all the stuff that would be needed to build a tall building was built in place and is now holding up 4 stories instead of 20 or more. Same goes for Winnipeg Square, it has parking , you would THINK if someone wanted to SAVE $$$$$$$$$$ they would pick these spots as they are far ahead in the building process. Look how long it takes to get a foundation in here in winnipeg. Why not build on ones all ready there.
Wasn't there a story a few months back about interest in building a Portage Place tower but FNP was unwilling to give up the parking lot for the project cause that's where they made all their money.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 3:54 PM
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But what gets me is the Portage Place ones, parking is there, a mall, and the structure to build on, all the stuff that would be needed to build a tall building was built in place and is now holding up 4 stories instead of 20 or more. Same goes for Winnipeg Square, it has parking , you would THINK if someone wanted to SAVE $$$$$$$$$$ they would pick these spots as they are far ahead in the building process. Look how long it takes to get a foundation in here in winnipeg. Why not build on ones all ready there.
I think the issue with pre-built pad sites are the leasing and ownership issues. Unlike where you purchase a piece of land and build your own building, these existing pad sites would come with complicated lease and parking agreements.

As well, i believe mentioned on this forum some time ago - building on someone else foundation can sometimes prove more complicated and limit the type of building and floor plate you would like to build.

In situations such as these i think unfortunately the best bet is for the pad owners to build the building themselves and lease out the space - obviously harder than it seems since they have been sitting idle for so long.
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I think the issue with pre-built pad sites are the leasing and ownership issues. Unlike where you purchase a piece of land and build your own building, these existing pad sites would come with complicated lease and parking agreements.

As well, i believe mentioned on this forum some time ago - building on someone else foundation can sometimes prove more complicated and limit the type of building and floor plate you would like to build.

In situations such as these i think unfortunately the best bet is for the pad owners to build the building themselves and lease out the space - obviously harder than it seems since they have been sitting idle for so long.
I understand that, and can see that being the case at Portage place, but didn't the city just sell or lease the Winnipeg Square Parking lot in the past 2 years, I know there was some uproar about that stupid idea. If it was sold, who owns it. I am sure they by now would like to DUMP it lol.

And as for Portage Place, you would think a little push to the American owners who cannot make much money off that mall, would like to at the very least sell the rights to the pad sites, but then again are they not officed in Dallas or something, so they probably do not even remember they own it hahaha.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2013, 4:10 PM
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I agree that the packing plant site would have been a better choice than U of M for the new stadium but still think the Westport Festival site was the premier location. With Portage Ave and the Perimeter both near the site it is positioned to quickly move traffic away from the site. The problem there is obviously that it is not very central, but the same is said of the St. B or U of M sites.
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Leo Ledohowski was not quite as well connected as he thought when he bought the stock yard land land for a stadium and/or water park.

I expect that he is going to have to do something with it as it must be costing Canad Inn's something to hold it in taxes and financing.
I agree and then I dissagree, the Packers plant would be terrible now with the traffic 59 gets, and Archibald, it cannot even handle normal day driving.

As for the U Of M, this is actually a great idea, it helps the U of M out as being more of a major campus, you have to think of the spin offs this mammoth staduim can bring to the University. And as for parking, a simple parkade would do. Now it is very close to the S Perimeter HWY, which makes any commute by car simple. Also close to the USA as in just a drive up, this I take into account for concerts etc. And Waverly is being upgraded etc. Only issue is University cr, this needed to have a better connection to Bishop.
     
     
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And as for Portage Place, you would think a little push to the American owners who cannot make much money off that mall, would like to at the very least sell the rights to the pad sites, but then again are they not officed in Dallas or something, so they probably do not even remember they own it hahaha.
I believe the owners are Vancouver based. And I believe the problem has always been parking, which FNP owns and does not want to sell.
     
     
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I believe the owners are Vancouver based. And I believe the problem has always been parking, which FNP owns and does not want to sell.
Ok well how about this, if you do a Google Earth, you will see a big ole parking lot behind the old FP building, this can easily be turned into a parkade for whatever they build. And then just connect it to PP.

I just do not get why PP would not want people on top of it, it would improve the mall, and obviously attract more business to it and fill in the voids. And it is not like they are holding on to it to build some super condo palace like they would in BC, the city gets the land back anyway, it is leased from the city.
     
     
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I cringe every time I hear about a "future second tower".
The infamous new tallest proposal is the one from Fortress, interesting..

I don't know jack about the project, but if i were a gambling man i'd bet this happens on the parking lot next to the St.Regis. The St.Regis would then be demolished for a second tower at some later date.

There have so many rumoured skyscrapers through the years, a 40 story tower at 100 Main for instance.

We'll just have to wait and see.
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The infamous new tallest proposal is the one from Fortress, interesting..

I don't know jack about the project, but if i were a gambling man i'd bet this happens on the parking lot next to the St.Regis. The St.Regis would then be demolished for a second tower at some later date.

There have so many rumoured skyscrapers through the years, a 40 story tower at 100 Main for instance.

We'll just have to wait and see.
That 40 storey at 100 main was where Manitoba hydro had a rendering for. I believe the drawing is still on this site under the city diagrams link. Obviously that plan has been squashed.
     
     
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That 40 storey at 100 main was where Manitoba hydro had a rendering for. I believe the drawing is still on this site under the city diagrams link. Obviously that plan has been squashed.
There was that too I guess..

But before the whole friends of fort garry debacle, there was a hail mary of a proposal to build some super tower there..

There were some VERY preliminary renderings released.
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Planning and doing .....lol.

But yes there was an Idea to reroute the entire road, as trying to go through that area is not really a great idea, to many business's would be disrupted, and I really do not want the encroaching on the small creek that sits right beside that now rail crossing. It may not look much to anyone, but it is actually very nice if you actually walked down it as it goes deep into the industrial park. This would be another nice place for a bike path.

But I do remember the re routing of the road to the North. And I believe it was to be lined up with Dugald Rd.

As for the old Stock yards, has anyone actually walked in there? I have many times, go and google earth it, the south part minus the car drop off area, is actually prestine wetlands, there is a lake in there, marsh, woodlands, this should be saved as the area is a concrete jungle. It is the last green space in the area. The northern part would be nice to see some sort of transit set up and some dense infill houseing, not just more run of the mill single family housing.
The city and province are actually doing stuff these days, as opposed to just planning it. Even with the lack of grade separations on the expressways. If you don't have a plan you're not going to get anything done. So lets not plan anything and let the city fall further into a state of desperation.

But yes the plan was/is to extend Goulet and align Marion with Dugald as recently as the Transportation Master Plan. I was also told the city has been buying up houses on Goulet and Doucet for demolition whenever it goes through. And really not many businesses would be impacted if they went the Dugald route. A couple container shops north of Marion looks to be about it.
     
     
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Where is the planned location of this building site?
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He also wouldn't reveal where the property is located, other than to say it's not within CentreVenture's proposed Sports, Hospitality and Entertainment District (SHED). That 12-block area includes the MTS Centre, the Winnipeg Convention Centre, the Walker Theatre and the redeveloped Metropolitan Theatre, which officially reopened Friday as the Met Entertainment Centre.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busines...r-plans-80-m-project-here-181652731.html



So the St. Regis site does make sense.
     
     
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