[St. John's] The Official Project Thread - Page 366

Copes · #**7301** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 12:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by jeddy1989

yay

also check out the facebook page for the designation of a height exempt west end DT

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-Highrise-Time-St-Johns-Central-Business-District/465782110147129

Joined, shared with friends, I've seen a few join in already.

rwspencer38 · #**7302** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 12:52 PM**

I've seen the "Dannyland" development map and its going to be developed much like any other major neighbourhood development except with some finer touches. The development will include a new industrial park as well as two commercial districts along the major highway access routes (ie. Pitts and Trans Canada). It will also include locations for a number of schools as well as smaller parks. There is a significant portion of the area that is off limits due to NavCanada restrictions so that will remain as a protected area. One interesting point about the development is that the residential aspect is very diverse ranging from your standard "affordable" housing, mixed low/med denisty housing, all the way up to excutive estate housing (which is extremely expensive).

J_Murphy · #**7303** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 12:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by jeddy1989

yup and soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much parking in between!

I know...Look at the area of buildings compared to the areas of parking lot. Such a waste of land...makes me sick actually and kind of mad.

J_Murphy · #**7304** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 12:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Copes

A lot of unannounced development in the coming years up that way as well. While I'm not fan of sprawl, having Kenmount / Kelsey and Torbay / Stevanger on opposite sides of the city isn't a bad idea. One services East St. John's / Torbay / LB-MC-OC, while the other services West St. John's / Paradise / PCSP / CBS (when they don't drive into the Pearl instead). Its certainly better for traffic than only having one central big box location that everyone flocks too.

Anyway, I'm back guys! While the trip was great, it was filled with constant minor annoyances including lost baggage, cancelled and delayed flights, and sickness. None the less, Costa Rica is a gorgeous country. I'd go back in a heartbeat.

Anyone wanna tell me what I missed over the past week? Going through 20 pages isn't particularly tempting. I saw some of Chafe's news, just wondering if there is a major proposal or something that I absolutely need to know about ASAP.

Otherwise, Happy 2013. I missed you.

Welcome back and happy New Year!

J_Murphy · #**7305** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 12:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

Wow, anyone catch the map showing the development where the new Empire Theaters location will be? It's massive. Albeit most of it is future development, that along with Stavanger and White Rose are going to combine to be one huge box store hurricane.

I've also noticed that some of the residential lots on the west side of Torbay Road, to the south of this development are now up for sale and listed as commercial land.

jeddy1989 · #**7306** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 1:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by rwspencer38

I've seen the "Dannyland" development map and its going to be developed much like any other major neighbourhood development except with some finer touches. The development will include a new industrial park as well as two commercial districts along the major highway access routes (ie. Pitts and Trans Canada). It will also include locations for a number of schools as well as smaller parks. There is a significant portion of the area that is off limits due to NavCanada restrictions so that will remain as a protected area. One interesting point about the development is that the residential aspect is very diverse ranging from your standard "affordable" housing, mixed low/med denisty housing, all the way up to excutive estate housing (which is extremely expensive).

so nothing inovative? would you say the commercial area is more in line with dartmouth crossing? than say stavanger? didn't happen to see any retail names did you?

any higher density residential?

rwspencer38 · #**7307** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 1:14 PM**

Nope its only a planning map to display how the layout will go. It certainly has more appeal than say Kenmount Terrace but its still mostly residential (granted a wide variety of residential type) with commercial/industry pushed to the fringes. Of course I should say that with such a large development anything is liable to change.

Is it the best it could be? No but it certainly could be worst.

rwspencer38 · #**7308** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 1:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by jeddy1989

so nothing inovative? would you say the commercial area is more in line with dartmouth crossing? than say stavanger? didn't happen to see any retail names did you?

any higher density residential?

Not sure what you mean?

As in this

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth+c...,0.019205&hq=dartmouth+crossing&t=h&z=16

Copes · #**7309** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 1:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Copes

Joined, shared with friends, I've seen a few join in already.

Woo! Seven have joined (plus myself) in under an hour. I'll be spamming this on newsfeeds for days.

jeddy1989 · #**7310** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 1:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by rwspencer38

Not sure what you mean?

As in this

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth+c...,0.019205&hq=dartmouth+crossing&t=h&z=16

as in this:

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth+...xKhpb_xHS_zDiDkWR2A&cbp=12,21.05,,0,7.78

oppose to this:

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Stavanger+...Au90zps5MwP_F8QBJww&cbp=12,56.84,,0,8.13

you probably couldn't tell from just the layout

rwspencer38 · #**7311** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 1:47 PM**

ya the scale wouldn't allow for that type of detail. I hope it has a better layout than stavanger (god I hate that road).

J_Murphy · #**7312** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 1:55 PM**

If the plan stays at it is in this brochure:

http://www.comproperty.ca/powercentre/files/SouthlandsBrochure.pdf

It looks like there is a small block somewhat similar to the image you posted from Dartmouth Crossing (i.e, row of attached buildings without massive sprawling parking lots).

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth+...xKhpb_xHS_zDiDkWR2A&cbp=12,21.05,,0,7.78

SignalHillHiker · #**7313** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 2:06 PM**

I just wanted to scream: HEY! BUILD A ****ING PARKADE!

rwspencer38 · #**7314** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 2:20 PM**

Im not sure a parkade would be necessary for an area like that. If thats the current plan, its not terrible. I don't mind a number of businesses being serviced by a larger single parking area, instead of 10-15 buildings each with their own parking lot and access to the main road.

SignalHillHiker · #**7315** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 2:22 PM**

You're right, it is a significant step up. I hadn't noticed that.

But I'd still prefer a parkade. I'd much rather we always have a parkade instead of a surface parking lot. They'd take up so much less space.

rwspencer38 · #**7316** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 2:26 PM**

Oh for sure! I'd prefer a parkade too but in most cases in a case like this its impractical. The expense of building it would need to be cost shared among the tenants as the property is not a single business. What I would really like to see is that if they are going to make a larger surface lot, make it walkable with nice landscape features.

When I was in orlando they had an out door mall with a large surface lot, but it was developed in such a way that walking the lot didn't feel like a dingy parking surface. It was landscaped with trees and nicer walkways with benches etc...

J_Murphy · #**7317** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 2:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

I just wanted to scream: HEY! BUILD A ****ING PARKADE!

I feel like doing this everytime I have to use long term parking at the airport. Especially while pushing a cart with 2-3 large bags through the wind and snow to my car which is about 500 meters away from the entrance, to find that the snow in the lanes has plowed blocking my car behind 2 feet of a snow/ice wall.

Copes · #**7318** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 2:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by rwspencer38

Oh for sure! I'd prefer a parkade too but in most cases in a case like this its impractical. The expense of building it would need to be cost shared among the tenants as the property is not a single business. What I would really like to see is that if they are going to make a larger surface lot, make it walkable with nice landscape features.

When I was in orlando they had an out door mall with a large surface lot, but it was developed in such a way that walking the lot didn't feel like a dingy parking surface. It was landscaped with trees and nicer walkways with benches etc...

This is what needs to be done, IMO. For only a few tenants, a parkade wouldn't be financially viable. While I agree that it would definitely be more beautiful, I think it would make tenants less interested in moving there, in favor of something with cheaper parking. I don't think this sort of area will see the traffic that could warrant a parkade. Essentially, it will likely split the group the currently visits Kelsey Drive / Mount Pearl, meaning less traffic at both places (and less traffic in Southlands).

But a basic surface lot, with nothing but concrete, should be avoided if possible.

statbass · #**7319** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 3:08 PM**

Another News Story....

Source: CBC NL
Date: Jan 8, 2013
Author: Unknown

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CBC News Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:23 AM NT Last Updated: Jan 8, 2013 8:16 AM NT
The St. John's Port Authority intends to replace this temporary fence with a permanent structure along part of the city's harbourfront. (CBC )
Related Stories
O'Keefe halts council meeting amid fence row
Transport Canada says new fence not mandatory
All but two members of St. John's city council voted Monday evening against an information session on a controversial plan to seal off a high-profile section of the city's harbourfront.

The St. John's Port Authority plans to erect a permanent security fence along Harbour Drive, covering several piers that are currently open to public access.

Deputy Mayor Shannie Duff introduced a motion for the port authority to hold a public information session on the issue.

But Duff's motion was defeated in a 9-2 vote. Coun. Sheilagh O'Leary was the only other councillor that supported the move.

Revelations that the fence would include a permanent block to public access for a lengthy stretch of the harbourfront ignited a sharp reaction, including from Republic of Doyle star Allan Hawco, who used social media to draw attention to the fence and city council's decision to pay for half of it....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundla...8/nl-harbour-fence-city-council-108.html

mwd · #**7320** Posted **Jan 8, 2013, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by rwspencer38

I've seen the "Dannyland" development map and its going to be developed much like any other major neighbourhood development except with some finer touches. The development will include a new industrial park as well as two commercial districts along the major highway access routes (ie. Pitts and Trans Canada). It will also include locations for a number of schools as well as smaller parks. There is a significant portion of the area that is off limits due to NavCanada restrictions so that will remain as a protected area. One interesting point about the development is that the residential aspect is very diverse ranging from your standard "affordable" housing, mixed low/med denisty housing, all the way up to excutive estate housing (which is extremely expensive).

I'm sure i heard my boss saying if we get our contracts renewed with our major client that we will be building a new facility in the new southlands industrial development and we need 50+ acres at least