The US Census Bureau thread

[bnk]

Originally Posted by kingchef

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arizona will be overtaken by tn, and i think that ok will probably be set to shoot past several of the midwest states, imo. ...

i think that w/ all that is happening in northern ms, the memphis metro and all of those huge intermodal buildings and expansions, the connections w/ the nafta interstate, which will interchange through the new memphis intermodal hub, the enormous expansion of the memphis fedex operations, the expansion of the port of memphis, which has already taken over the country's #3 spot from the #4 (the work going on now will increase the port's capacity to position it to become the #1 inland port in north america. the airport developments, expansions, improvements, and increased traffic, upon completion of these upgrades and the traffic increases by o&d passengers, and the marked increase in 24 hour service through increased package delivery, and the completion and connection of the 2nd outer beltway, the opening of the new interstate, and the other interchanges will play a vital role in logistics and transportation, particularly w/ the newest ms river bridge, which will allow for additional truck traffic, in addition to the addition of rail lines across the river. too, even though davidson county-nashville metro is losing its growth edge to rutherford county, about 45 miles away, there is still a good business synergy in the small towns in other counties surrounding the davidson county area. consequently, i think tn will surpass arizona in rank, w/in a two to three year period.

Let me quess, humm you must be from the memphis area in TN.

What several midwest States save Indiana is TN going to blow by?

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Sad but true... What a lousy leadership that has run that State for so long...

one of the issues is that the republicans in this state utterly refuse to nominate a moderate for governor. for several election cycles now they've given the voters a knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping, gun-nut jesus-freak, and those kinds of candidates will lose every time in a general election because chicagoland dominates the state and chicagoland voters will just not go for those types of bible-belt troglodytes.

something has to change so that the the illinois republican party can put up moderates like Jim Edgar once again. a moderate republican candidate like Jim Edgar would wipe the floor owith any democrat who ran in the next election, and then perhaps some reform could move forward.

but nothing will ever change if downstate republicans continue to think that chicago voters will hold their nose and vote for some stone-age neanderthal. that bible-belt shit plays well down on the farm, but only a small proportion of illinois voters live down on the farm. unfortunately, the down on the farm voters have an out-sized voice when nominating republican candidates for governor because chicagoland has drifted so very blue.

[Evergrey]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

one of the issues is that the republicans in this state utterly refuse to nominate a moderate for governor. for several election cycles now they've given the voters a knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping, downstate, rural-ass gun-nut jesus-freak, and those kinds of candidates will lose every time in a general election because chicagoland dominates the state and chicagoland voters will just not go for those types of bible-belt troglodytes.

something has to change so that the the illinois republican party can put up moderates like Jim Edgar once again. a moderate republican candidate like Jim Edgar would wipe the floor of any democrat who ran in the next election, and then perhaps some reform could be moved forward.

but nothing will ever change if downstate republicans continue to think that chicago voters will hold their nose and vote for some stone-age neanderthal. that bible-belt shit plays well down on the farm, but only a small proportion of illinois voters live down on the farm. unfortunately, the down on the farm voters have an out-sized voice when nominating republican candidates for governor because chicgoland has drifted so very blue.

One slice of Chicagoland went for a knuckle-dragging troglodyte in 2010.

[Evergrey]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

What is he saying? The plants should have closed? Plants did close in Ohio. The auto bail out has been paid back. GM has 10,000 workers in Ohio out of over 5.6 million jobs. It not like what benefits Ohio only benefits Ohio.

How many workers does Chrysler have in Ohio?

[bnk]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

One slice of Chicagoland went for a knuckle-dragging troglodyte in 2010.

Point taken but I am sure you do know this one term tea stringer just lost in the last election by 10 points.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...160,full.story

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

One slice of Chicagoland went for a knuckle-dragging troglodyte in 2010.

yeah, in a mid-term election that saw tea-bagger dip-shittery sweep the entire nation.

once regular people figured how much of a royal d-bag he was, he was promptly thrown out of office after one disgraceful house term.

and for the record, the 8th is mostly exurban, hardly a typical slice of chicagoland.

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

How many workers does Chrysler have in Ohio?

One plant and it has under 1000 workers in Twinsburg.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

one of the issues is that the republicans in this state utterly refuse to nominate a moderate for governor. for several election cycles now they've given the voters a knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping, gun-nut jesus-freak, and those kinds of candidates will lose every time in a general election because chicagoland dominates the state and chicagoland voters will just not go for those types of bible-belt troglodytes.

something has to change so that the the illinois republican party can put up moderates like Jim Edgar once again. a moderate republican candidate like Jim Edgar would wipe the floor owith any democrat who ran in the next election, and then perhaps some reform could move forward.

but nothing will ever change if downstate republicans continue to think that chicago voters will hold their nose and vote for some stone-age neanderthal. that bible-belt shit plays well down on the farm, but only a small proportion of illinois voters live down on the farm. unfortunately, the down on the farm voters have an out-sized voice when nominating republican candidates for governor because chicagoland has drifted so very blue.

The problem is, the news just keeps going from bad to worse. And for the most part, it's all due to one party rule in Illinois.

However, what is happening in Illinois is symbolic for what is happening on the Federal level. There isn't any compromise any more, especially from the Republicans. It's Party line for everything. Unfortunately, Illinois badly needs fiscal discipline, and you sure aren't going to get it from this current crop of Dems. Ironically, the most "fiscally disciplined" Democrats in the state are the Cook County Board President and the Mayor of Chicago.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

The problem is, the news just keeps going from bad to worse. And for the most part, it's all due to one party rule in Illinois.

trust me, i know. i actually live in illinois, remember?

i would love to vote for a normal republican in the next governor's election, but i fear the illinois republican party will give us another Bill fucking Brady. no matter how bad illinois' governance is screwed-up, i just can't bring myself to vote for monumental ass-hats like Bill fucking Brady.

god, if only Dillard had gotten a couple hundred more votes in the primary, he would have mopped the floor with Quinn.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

What is he saying? The plants should have closed? Plants did close in Ohio. The auto bail out has been paid back. GM has 10,000 workers in Ohio out of over 5.6 million jobs. It not like what benefits Ohio only benefits Ohio.

The vast majority of auto industry jobs aren't with the Big Three.

If Ohio has 10,000 GM workers, it probably has at least 50,000 auto parts supplier jobs, auto engieers, and the like. Cars have huge, huge job multiplier effects.

I don't think it's outlandish to say that the auto bailout had a positive impact in states with a heavy auto manufacturing presence.

[SPonteK]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

although I'm a bit more baffled by Wisconsin and Kansas.

Kansas' growth is almost exclusively NE Kansas, along the I-70 corridor from Manhattan to KC, and that growth is heavily concentrated in Johnson County and the KC exurbs.

To a lesser degree (by a couple orders of magnitude) metro Wichita is also growing.

Which is to say the Kansas growth is largely fueled by the westernmost Missouri metro.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

one of the issues is that the republicans in this state utterly refuse to nominate a moderate for governor. for several election cycles now they've given the voters a knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping, gun-nut jesus-freak, and those kinds of candidates will lose every time in a general election because chicagoland dominates the state and chicagoland voters will just not go for those types of bible-belt troglodytes.

something has to change so that the the illinois republican party can put up moderates like Jim Edgar once again. a moderate republican candidate like Jim Edgar would wipe the floor owith any democrat who ran in the next election, and then perhaps some reform could move forward.

but nothing will ever change if downstate republicans continue to think that chicago voters will hold their nose and vote for some stone-age neanderthal. that bible-belt shit plays well down on the farm, but only a small proportion of illinois voters live down on the farm. unfortunately, the down on the farm voters have an out-sized voice when nominating republican candidates for governor because chicagoland has drifted so very blue.

God, Steely - this sounds SO much like Georgia in every single way but one. The suburbs here, and the Outstate areas (although both filled to the brim with recent transplants) continue to vote for the troglodyte variety. Hence, we now have one of the most corrupt Republican Governors and Legislatures in the country. Hatred for metro Atlanta seems to be the number one priority with this bunch, even though we are the cash cow for the entire State.

The metro area has grown to the point that Obama actually won here by a plurality, but it so far hasn't impacted Statewide results. We are nearing the tipping point, however....

[Rail Claimore]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

God, Steely - this sounds SO much like Georgia in every single way but one. The suburbs here, and the Outstate areas (although both filled to the brim with recent transplants) continue to vote for the troglodyte variety. Hence, we now have one of the most corrupt Republican Governors and Legislatures in the country. Hatred for metro Atlanta seems to be the number one priority with this bunch, even though we are the cash cow for the entire State.

The metro area has grown to the point that Obama actually won here by a plurality, but it so far hasn't impacted Statewide results. We are nearing the tipping point, however....

Georgia and the rest of the south Atlantic states are trending Democrat: If Obama had bothered campaigning seriously there in 2008, he would have picked up the state. He almost won NC this time around despite giving up on the state 2 months before the election, and Romney's second-worst performance in any state he won was in Georgia (won it by only 8 points).

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by Rail Claimore

Georgia and the rest of the south Atlantic states are trending Democrat: If Obama had bothered campaigning seriously there in 2008, he would have picked up the state. He almost won NC this time around despite giving up on the state 2 months before the election, and Romney's second-worst performance in any state he won was in Georgia (won it by only 8 points).

Exactly, Rail. Thanks for pointing this out to our non-informed friends from other regions.

[kingchef]

i certainly agree w/ mhays re: the influence of particular politicians in particular regions. i'm not in a pissing contest w/ anyone, but i simply looked at the numbers provided by the poster, took them at face value, and made the notation that arizona, w/ pheonix such a high growth urban area, was only about 44,000 residents above tn, which, is probably, according to the census bureau and the alleged hispanic and asian undercounts in memphis by more than 100,000, would already place tn ahead of arizona in current population.

as for the other question about tn's passing of midwest states, i named the most likely candidate in my comment. as far as being in memphis, yes, and i think it is as relevant as anyone else referring to their cities. after all, these are only opinions, nothing really earth-shaking or harmful to anyone.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by Rail Claimore

Georgia and the rest of the south Atlantic states are trending Democrat: If Obama had bothered campaigning seriously there in 2008, he would have picked up the state. He almost won NC this time around despite giving up on the state 2 months before the election, and Romney's second-worst performance in any state he won was in Georgia (won it by only 8 points).

A factual point: Obama did actually campaign here in 2008, and still lost.

Racial polarization is such that the state will not be won by a Democrat until minorities outweigh whites or a Democrat can somehow win 30% of whites.

[L41A]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

A factual point: Obama did actually campaign here in 2008, and still lost.

Racial polarization is such that the state will not be won by a Democrat until minorities outweigh whites or a Democrat can somehow win 30% of whites.

Georgia voted for Clinton (a Democrat) in 1992 and of course for Jimmy Carter (a Democrat) in 1980. Georgia was only one of two states to vote for Jimmy Carter in 1984. It was only until around Year 2000 that the Republicans started to gain such a stronghold on the state and some racial polarization most likely played some part of that. I do get a sense that the Republican strength gained in the state since Year 2000 is waning or at least steady.

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

Originally Posted by L41A

Georgia voted for Clinton (a Democrat) in 1992 and of course for Jimmy Carter (a Democrat) in 1980. Georgia was only one of two states to vote for Jimmy Carter in 1984. It was only until around Year 2000 that the Republicans started to gain such a stronghold on the state and some racial polarization most likely played some part of that. I do get a sense that the Republican strength gained in the state since Year 2000 is waning or at least steady.

Both Clinton and Carter are from the South. Georgia was Carter's home state.

[L41A]

Originally Posted by Ch.G, Ch.G

Both Clinton and Carter are from the South. Georgia was Carter's home state.

Oh Really?!!!? I didn't know that.
And Dole is from the Midwest and Kemp from New York so .......

Seriously, my point is partly that politics is complex, dynamic and sometimes cyclical. In many ways, state politics in Georgia was more progressive in the 70's, 80's and 90's that it has been since 2000. But I get a sense that the enthusiasm for the Republicans in 2012 is less than what it was in 2000 when the Republican enthusiasm was rising in Georgia.

Thus, I reject the notion that it takes transplants or big demographic shifts for political changes in the state. This notion is somewhat validated by fastest growing parts of the state - Atlanta's northern exurbs (with many Midwest and NE transplants) and North Georgia - are the most Republican-leaning part of the state. Politics is complex and dynamic and that's no exception in Georgia.

[Rail Claimore]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

A factual point: Obama did actually campaign here in 2008, and still lost.

Racial polarization is such that the state will not be won by a Democrat until minorities outweigh whites or a Democrat can somehow win 30% of whites.

You must have missed the word in bold.

Originally Posted by railclaimore

Georgia and the rest of the south Atlantic states are trending Democrat: If Obama had bothered campaigning seriously there in 2008, he would have picked up the state. He almost won NC this time around despite giving up on the state 2 months before the election, and Romney's second-worst performance in any state he won was in Georgia (won it by only 8 points).

A few stops and throwing a few million at a state does not make a campaign "serious" in that state, else Romney campaigned "seriously" in Minnesota during the final two weeks of the election.