YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Gordon]

Delta is starting Sea - hND service in 2013 so connections for Delta & Skyteam don't seem be a problem.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Delta is starting Sea - hND service in 2013 so connections for Delta & Skyteam don't seem be a problem.

If you're ending in Tokyo, the SEA-HND isn't a problem. The service was better for business travellers who could arrive in Haneda after 10PM, sleep in an airport hotel, go to their business meeting the next day then take the evening flight from HND out. They are restricted to only take off and land from 10PM to 7AM.

If you're transferring from HND to somewhere else in Asia, there were very few choices for flights at that time of the night.

Japan is trying to make HND a 24-hour airport to compete with ICN. Given some time, YVR-HND might make sense.

Right now, with those strict landing slots, any North American flight to HND favors the Japanese traveller and Japanese airlines... as well as O/D traffic, as this commercial adequately points out:
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[deasine]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Delta is starting Sea - hND service in 2013 so connections for Delta & Skyteam don't seem be a problem.

Of all airlines, DL is least likely to have fifth freedom traffic connections at HND as it does not have a partner Japanese carrier. So if they are able to generate enough demand for their flights, this is because there is enough O&D traffic. And it won't be entirely surprising given that DL has also upgraded its SEA-NRT route, and that DL has been working ever closely with partner AS at SEA.

AA, on the other hand, has struggled quite a bit. While they currently operate a 777 daily to HND from JFK, this wasn't without some temporary cancellations. But again, fifth freedom traffic is also limited given the flight is scheduled to arrive at 2215 local time, and departs at 0615. That being said, JFK does have a market to support direct O&D traffic unlike YVR.

[Valley_Refugee]

Air New Zealand is further boosting capacity to YVR this coming summer 2013 season:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/12/05/nz-americas-s13update3/

[Gordon]

That's good news. the article doesn't mention the type of plane but I suspect it would be a777

[Valley_Refugee]

I think that's the only plane Air New Zealand has that can make the distance.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

I think that's the only plane Air New Zealand has that can make the distance.

We've had 747s up here before.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

Air New Zealand is further boosting capacity to YVR this coming summer 2013 season:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/12/05/nz-americas-s13update3/

Nice to see an increase in NZ traffic......

Just an idea, but wouldnt' it be nifty if YVR became sort of a "mini-hub" for Oceania (yes I know MEL and FIJ were tried and dropped, but there might still be potential elsewhere)

A number of people have connections in Perth and Adelaide (with Melbourne traffic connecting mostly at Sydney) but only SYD as the Australian market gateway.

Regarding Perth and Adelaide traffic, Brisbane provides a more direct route to Perth and Adelaide, and if you do some figuring on the adjoining Wikipedia chart, it might be as or more lucrative a route than Melbourne; then again, maybe not. The experts can figure that one out.

But I heard Seattle talking about Brisbane a while back, and they might still be going to try for it. Be a shame if the beat us to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Australia

[usog]

I noticed that they've moved the daily flight to PEK to a late night departure and made the usual time 4x a week for the summer, why would they do that?

[st7860]

Originally Posted by usog

I noticed that they've moved the daily flight to PEK to a late night departure and made the usual time 4x a week for the summer, why would they do that?

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that Air Canada is boosting flights to China next year and moving the times around etc.

[usog]

Originally Posted by st7860

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that Air Canada is boosting flights to China next year and moving the times around etc.

Yeah but I don't understand making the late night time the daily flight, I don't think Beijing is quite the destination where such a flight would be convenient.

[casper]

Originally Posted by usog

Yeah but I don't understand making the late night time the daily flight, I don't think Beijing is quite the destination where such a flight would be convenient.

The changes are "including a new late night flight timed to be convenient for business travellers".

The orginal press release is at:

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=601

Sounds like four extra Beijing flights from Vancouver. Extra flights to Asia from Calgary and Toronto.

[Johnny Aussie]

Just reading some rumblings on airliners.net

Apparently China's equivalent of Twitter has China Eastern mentioning that they are going to "extend their YVR flights to JFK."

Is this actually going to happen?
Are these proposed flights going to replace the non-stop PVG-JFK flights?
Frequency?
Proposed start-date?

Don't know... usually I don't bother posting anything unless it is "real," however, I thought at least this is a discussion point as the source is the airline itself.

So IF this comes to fruition... next summer YVR will have AC, UA, CX, the new DL service and now MU on YVR-NYC routes.

Interestingly to note, this was actually proposed in 2007 but it never happened.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

I think that's the only plane Air New Zealand has that can make the distance.

It's just over 7000 miles travel distance, which puts it just inside the range for a 747-400 which they are retiring from their fleet in 2015. It's within the range of their 777-200ER and -300ER planes and very comfortably fit in the range of the 787-9s their going to start getting in 2015 to replace their 747s.

[Valley_Refugee]

Okay, I stand corrected twice now.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Just reading some rumblings on airliners.net

Apparently China's equivalent of Twitter has China Eastern mentioning that they are going to "extend their YVR flights to JFK."

Is this actually going to happen?
Are these proposed flights going to replace the non-stop PVG-JFK flights?
Frequency?
Proposed start-date?

Don't know... usually I don't bother posting anything unless it is "real," however, I thought at least this is a discussion point as the source is the airline itself.

So IF this comes to fruition... next summer YVR will have AC, UA, CX, the new DL service and now MU on YVR-NYC routes.

Interestingly to note, this was actually proposed in 2007 but it never happened.

Did you have a link to the Weibo post?

[Hourglass]

Interesting article in the Sydney Morning Herald:

Air Canada Keen to Land in Melbourne

Assuming this would be from YVR unless they tried to route via LAX or HNL to YYZ. No chance of starting anything earlier than 2015 before the 787s arrive though.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Interesting article in the Sydney Morning Herald:

Air Canada Keen to Land in Melbourne

Assuming this would be from YVR unless they tried to route via LAX or HNL to YYZ. No chance of starting anything earlier than 2015 before the 787s arrive though.

This of course is my number 1 dream route. Perhaps move the 3 additional SYD -YVR flights to MEL.
I will be on the SYD-YVR flight soon! Still the best way to get to Vancouver but nonstop from MEL would be ideal

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This of course is my number 1 dream route. Perhaps move the 3 additional SYD -YVR flights to MEL.
I will be on the SYD-YVR flight soon! Still the best way to get to Vancouver but nonstop from MEL would be ideal

With Melbourne booming the way it is, with predictions that in 25 years it may once again Australia's largest city, this is not an impossibility.
I'd like to see flights to Brisbane, too; the Gold Coast, plus shorter connections to Perth and Adelaide. (... well .... you gotta be optimistic...)

[tayser]

AC should hurry the hell up and source 2 more 77L from somewhere and just start sooner, 2015 is too long, and Qantas are as useless as tits on a bull........... cmon Air Canuckistan, we're waiting!

YYZ-YVR-SYD-YVR-YYZ (current) & YUL-YVR-MEL-YVR-YUL (new) timed to depart about 30 min earlier in MEL and 30min earlier in YUL would make for a very good scissor hub for anyone in Melbourne/Sydney wanting to fly to Vancouver/Toronto/Montreal and vice versa.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

With Melbourne booming the way it is, with predictions that in 25 years it may once again Australia's largest city, this is not an impossibility.
I'd like to see flights to Brisbane, too; the Gold Coast, plus shorter connections to Perth and Adelaide. (... well .... you gotta be optimistic...)

AU-CA bilateral as it stands only allows 2 ports in each other's country with stops in HNL, NAN, PPT or SFO - this will need to be changed if a 3rd AU port for Canadian-flagged airlines were to eventuate (it's on the cards, but as it stands AC could only choose MEL or BNE under the current arrangement, not both).