MONTRÉAL :: Les Projets

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Montreal would have a certain logic to it since it is ''home'', but if they pick Toronto - people will ask why Toronto and not New York, or London or Paris?

MGM and/or Cirque in Toronto? Good for Toronto and good for Cirque. I'm not sure that Toronto can become a show destination either, but the city will never know unless it tries. Vacationers aren't always going to pick New York; people want a change of scene. If a casino/Cirque come to Toronto it will be one thing New York doesn't have. Toronto offers other unique cultural offerings and its part of building a unique brand.

I remember 20 years ago people said Toronto could never develop a vibrant theatre scene, but it has. People said that Toronto would never develop a large domestic television/film industry, but it's well on its way to doing just that. Look at how far TIFF has come.

Toronto certainly isn't a New York or Paris, but it's doing everything it can to one day get to that level. Toronto may never get there, but the city does seem to be gaining ground on every front imaginable. I'm just glad that Cirque is part of that building process. Better that its Cirque than the Moscow Circus.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Acajack

All of these are way bigger tourist destinations than Toronto (or Montreal for that matter).

I know New York hit 50 million over night visitors last year. I did some digging and Miami-Dade County was at 13.4 million over night visitors in 2011. New York is way ahead, but Miami is quite catchable before the decade is out.

http://exmiami.org/threads/more-tourists-visited-miami-in-2011-than-ever-before.151/

The 4 cities I looked up
New York 50.0 million
Miami 13.4 million
Toronto 10.0 million
Montreal 7.5 million

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by isaidso

I know New York hit 50 million over night visitors last year. I did some digging and Miami-Dade County was at 13.4 million over night visitors in 2011. New York is way ahead, but Miami is quite catchable before the decade is out.

http://exmiami.org/threads/more-tourists-visited-miami-in-2011-than-ever-before.151/

The 4 cities I looked up
New York 50.0 million
Miami 13.4 million
Toronto 10.0 million
Montreal 7.5 million

I think numbers are difficult to compare and they may be calculated differently from city to city. Chicago boasts 24 million overnight stays. San Francisco 15 million and Orlando is close to 60 million.

Is Chicago really two and a half times the destination that Toronto is? Is New York really only five times as popular a destination as Toronto?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by isaidso

I remember 20 years ago people said Toronto could never develop a vibrant theatre scene, but it has. People said that Toronto would never develop a large domestic television/film industry, but it's well on its way to doing just that. Look at how far TIFF has come.

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I think most people lamented the fact that it didn't have these and that it should have had these. It wasn't necessarily that it couldn't.

[West_aust]

Originally Posted by isaidso

The 4 cities I looked up
New York 50.0 million
Miami 13.4 million
Toronto 10.0 million
Montreal 7.5 million

In 2011, Los Angeles recorded 40.4 million overnight visitor to add another data point.

Also, what is to be noted, is that the Miami-Dade county population is 2.5m people, whereas Toronto metro has slightly over 6m people, so in % of the population, Miami is a much bigger tourist generator than Toronto is.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I think numbers are difficult to compare and they may be calculated differently from city to city. Chicago boasts 24 million overnight stays. San Francisco 15 million and Orlando is close to 60 million.

Is Chicago really two and a half times the destination that Toronto is? Is New York really only five times as popular a destination as Toronto?

You're likely correct that the numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago and New York attracts that 24 and 50 million respectively. The US has 315 million people and those 2 cities are big domestic draws for them.

Canadian cities don't have a big captive home market like that and unfortunately for us, Americans are a very inward looking people when it comes to travel. They're far less likely to cross a border than Canadians, Germans, Australians, Brits, etc.

If you look at international arrivals, Chicago's numbers fall below both Toronto and Montreal. New York still stays ahead in this regard.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I think most people lamented the fact that it didn't have these and that it should have had these. It wasn't necessarily that it couldn't.

Perhaps, but there always seems to be a vocal segment of society that scoffs at ambition.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by West_aust

In 2011, Los Angeles recorded 40.4 million overnight visitor to add another data point.

Thank you. I might as well make a list. Here's what we have so far:

Overnight visitors (2011)
New York 50.0 million
Los Angeles 40.4 million
Chicago 24.0 million
Miami 13.4 million
Toronto 10.0 million
Montreal 7.5 million

North America's busiest airports by international arrivals (2011)
Kennedy, New York 24,164 827
Pearson, Mississauga 20 355 771
Miami, Miami-Dade County 18 417 513
Trudeau, Montreal 8,436,165

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Perhaps, but there always seems to be a vocal segment of society that scoffs at ambition.

Interesting you should approach it from that angle. I'd say a lot of the criticism came from the fact that Toronto appeared or appears to be no different from most of the country, and perfectly satisfied to have American products naturally occupy most of the space when it comes to media and entertainment, and to have no real impulsion to challenge any of this.

[West_aust]

Originally Posted by isaidso

You're likely correct that the numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago and New York attracts that 24 and 50 million respectively. The US has 315 million people and those 2 cities are big domestic draws for them.

Canadian cities don't have a big captive home market like that and unfortunately for us, Americans are a very inward looking people when it comes to travel. They're far less likely to cross a border than Canadians, Germans, Australians, Brits, etc.

Only about 30% of the Americans have a passport, partly explained by the fact that they have access in their own country to a variety of destinations of all types (sun and beach in California or Florida, tropical in Hawaii, snow in the rockies...) whereas, Canadians (and most of the countries on this planet) need a passport to have a variety of vacation type!

Until Canada annex Turks and Caicos, we'll always need a passport to get some sun during winter!

[isaidso]

Quite right. We shouldn't hold our breath waiting for Americans to discover destinations beyond their borders. The vast majority of Americans vacation in the United States.

Turks & Caicos? Too bad nothing came of that. It smacks of imperialism, but if the locals want union with Canada, so be it. Nova Scotia said they'd oblige and make it part of their province to avoid the need for a change to our Constitution.

Originally Posted by Acajack

Interesting you should approach it from that angle. I'd say a lot of the criticism came from the fact that Toronto appeared or appears to be no different from most of the country, and perfectly satisfied to have American products naturally occupy most of the space when it comes to media and entertainment, and to have no real impulsion to challenge any of this.

There's a lot of truth to what you say. I'm from London, England originally and I've always been astonished how Toronto seems more dialed into the US than the rest of Canada. They know New England, but the Maritimes is a mystery. Say 'Steel town' and they think Pittsburgh, not Hamilton.

Toronto often seems more interested in becoming a cultural satellite of the US rather than being the centre of a strong Canadian culture. Toronto's obsession with the NFL (rather than CFL) is a prime example. Perhaps its because most Torontonians aren't Canadian born so don't have deep ties to the domestic culture, its traditions, and by extension, has little interest in its development?

In Toronto's defense, 70% of the television/film production there is now domestic fare. Toronto does make a huge contribution in some areas, but in other areas, seems to jump ship. Maybe they (and Canadians in general) have a branch plant mentality. It might take generations for Toronto to take a stronger leadership role.

That's changing though. I think the rise of the West is really re-focusing Toronto's gaze east-west for a change. A much bigger and stronger West is good for Canada. The rise of the North and a resurgent Quebec would help as well.

[MTLskyline]

Un nouveau siège social de 75 M$ pour Merck à Kirkland
1 novembre 2012 | 12h03
ARGENT


Le complexe sera formé d'un bâtiment existant qui sera rénové et d'une nouvelle construction. (Photo: Courtoisie)

La pharmaceutique Merck Canada de Kirkland a annoncé le regroupement de trois divisions au sein d'un nouveau siège social, qui sera construit au coût de 75M$.

Les divisions de la santé humaine, des produits grand public et de santé animale de même que les équipes de soutien connexes vont emménager dans le nouvel édifice d'ici la fin de 2013.

Merck sera le locataire principal d'un nouveau complexe de quelque 170 000 pieds carrés, qui sera construit en bordure de l'autoroute Transcanadienne. L'immeuble de l'entrepreneur Broccolini Construction de Kirkland pourra être agrandi en hauteur pour atteindre jusqu'à 300 000 pieds carrés.

Le complexe sera formé d'un bâtiment existant qui sera rénové et d'une nouvelle construction. Les deux sections seront reliées par un atrium.

Le bâtiment recevra la certification LEED argent.

http://argent.canoe.ca/lca/affaires/queb...au-siege-social-pour-merck-kirkland.html

[Rico Rommheim]

^Hopefully, the first of many other renovations along that highway of gloom.

[MTLskyline]

Le Ligouri condos turned out quite nicely. You could have me believe that this shot was taken downtown and not next to the Metropolitan. Very impressed.


Montréal, 14 nov. 2012. Rue Lajeunesse >Nord, entre rue Liège et boul. Crémazie. by DubyDub2009, on Flickr


Montréal, 14 nov. 2012. Rue Lajeunesse, boul. Crémazie. by DubyDub2009, on Flickr

[MTLskyline]

This recently completed midrise (Jardins Millen) isn't quite as nice (or unique), but it is definitely an improvement to its area. (Location)


Montréal, 05 nov. 2012. Boul. Henri-Bourassa, depuis rue Lajeunesse >Est. by DubyDub2009, on Flickr

[MTLskyline]

Walter sur Atwater - 6 étages


http://www.flickr.com/photos/24657061@N05/8151116143/in/photostream


http://www.flickr.com/photos/24657061@N05/8150992106/in/photostream

[MTLskyline]

High-res renders for Le Nordelec: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=202447

[FrAnKs]

WOW! ... you know,sometimes Montreal miss me when I see those awesome projects going up since I moved to Quebec city !

Le liguori is awesome, I would definitely give roughly 8.5 or 9/10... the shape & colors are perfect ! ... and Le Nordelec, is even more awesome, one of my favourite new project ever with les bassins du Nouveau Havre !

Thanks for sharing

[MTLskyline]

Le Murray - 15 étages
Coin Murray/Ottawa (Griffintown)



32% vendu:
http://www.guidehabitation.ca/f1nd/le_mu...s-griffintown-a-montreal/fr/x1x1x1x1x/1/

[MTLskyline]

21e Arrondissement - ? étages

Originally Posted by IMTL.org

Un projet de condo mystérieux près du Quartier international et de la cité du multimédia est annoncé par la compagnie Prével.

Une pancarte géante située dans un stationnement au coin des rues Saint-Paul, Saint-Henri et Williams annonce un nouveau projet de la compagnie Prével.

Comme information, un simple site sans rendu pour s'inscrire , alors que le site Web du promoteur ne comporte rien sur la future construction. Est-ce une tour ou un complexe? Chose certaine, le stationnement où est projetée la construction est énorme, difficile de savoir quelle portion recevra l'immeuble.
http://imtl.org/nouvelles.php?idref=8572

21e Arrondissement / Vieux-Montréal by prevel, on Flickr

http://www.21e.ca/