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[Hali87]

Originally Posted by resetcbu1

As a former graffiti ARTIST I can tell you that there are many different types of graf artists ...... The abstract message writers , taggers(vandals) and real artists who's medium is graffiti and then there is the blend of all of them! most of these other than the pure taggers will have enough respect for other art forms to not deface it or destroy it so that is the best deterent and works well to save face on nice property.... but I LOVE back alley graffiti or on bridges or overpass or anything like that , I find it adds character to a city

It's art for a new generation; using technology that, not very long ago, wasn't available (spray paint) and using the city itself as a canvas. It's very postmodern. Which is probably why a lot of older people don't get it - they are the "modern" generation, and everything that has come after them is trivial at best and unacceptable at worst.

[scooby074]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

Interesting. I wonder how Google manages to blur people's faces; is there software that does it automatically?

Yep software based. Pretty impressive when you think about it (reflections, off angle shots). I believe they blur license plates too.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by resetcbu1

As a former graffiti VANDAL

Fixed it for you. Vandals deface property without permission, artists do not.

I LOVE back alley graffiti or on bridges or overpass or anything like that , I find it adds character to a city

Yes, it tells you that the city is overrun with vandals and gangs, and does not have the character to enforce its laws and ensure that property owners do not have to face the risk of devaluation and damage from unlawful activity.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by Hali87

It's art for a new generation; using technology that, not very long ago, wasn't available (spray paint) and using the city itself as a canvas. It's very postmodern. Which is probably why a lot of older people don't get it - they are the "modern" generation, and everything that has come after them is trivial at best and unacceptable at worst.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Fixed it for you. Vandals deface property without permission, artists do not.

Then you have no understanding of art history.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by resetcbu1

As a former graffiti ARTIST I can tell you that there are many different types of graf artists ...... The abstract message writers , taggers(vandals) and real artists who's medium is graffiti and then there is the blend of all of them! most of these other than the pure taggers will have enough respect for other art forms to not deface it or destroy it so that is the best deterent and works well to save face on nice property.... but I LOVE back alley graffiti or on bridges or overpass or anything like that , I find it adds character to a city

I've seen some very worn down areas of cities and towns that were brought back to life with graffiti. I enjoy the art when it isn't vandalism. There are urban communities in the U.S., for instance, that open areas up for graffiti artists to basically go ta town and paint away!

For Halifax, it would be nice if the commons had more bare slabs from old buildings for artists to paint. In the winter, the graffiti would essentially be the only colour on the peninsula

[Wishblade]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Fixed it for you. Vandals deface property without permission, artists do not.



Yes, it tells you that the city is overrun with vandals and gangs, and does not have the character to enforce its laws and ensure that property owners do not have to face the risk of devaluation and damage from unlawful activity.

Keith, all your doing is showing us that your part of that "older" generation that as Hali said, just doesn't get it. This art form is catching on to the point where Halifax now has an annual festival partially dedicated to it called the Hopscotch festival.

[JET]

Originally Posted by Wishblade

Keith, all your doing is showing us that your part of that "older" generation that as Hali said, just doesn't get it. This art form is catching on to the point where Halifax now has an annual festival partially dedicated to it called the Hopscotch festival.

While I at times don't agree with Keith, he does rather consistently show us that he can spell; probably comes with being older.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by JET

While I at times don't agree with Keith, he does rather consistently show us that he can spell; probably comes with being older.

...or he at least knows how to use a dictionary.

[Hali87]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Fixed it for you. Vandals deface property without permission, artists do not.

So what do you call it when the property owners permit, nay, COMMISSION the "vandals" to alter the appearance of their property? And in this hypothetical example, the property owner does so of his/her own accord, not because he's afraid that his family will be kidnapped and tortured by the aerosol mafia.

[Hali87]

Originally Posted by JET

While I at times don't agree with Keith, he does rather consistently show us that he can spell; probably comes with being older.

In all fairness, if you take a closer look at that quote, it's still gramatically correct.

Edit, just realized it's not. But almost.

[Wishblade]

Originally Posted by JET

While I at times don't agree with Keith, he does rather consistently show us that he can spell; probably comes with being older.

I didn't realize this discussion was regarding grammar/spelling. forgive me for being mistaken.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by Hali87

So what do you call it when the property owners permit, nay, COMMISSION the "vandals" to alter the appearance of their property?

Blackmail?

Extortion?

The old protection racket?

Take your pick. They are all variations on the same theme.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

Then you have no understanding of art history.

You have no idea what I do or do not have an understanding of, punk.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by Wishblade

Keith, all your doing is showing us that your part of that "older" generation that as Hali said, just doesn't get it. This art form is catching on to the point where Halifax now has an annual festival partially dedicated to it called the Hopscotch festival.

I have never hidden the fact that I am not a clueless youth.

I get it - it is a violation of basic social mores in a civilized society to willfully deface someone else's property. Always has been, always will be. Violate that social contract and I have every right to knock said artist's block off with a Louisville Slugger if I catch him in the act. Artistic license be damned. You simply do not do that.

As for the goddamn Hopscotch festival, it is a prime example of the decline of society and how our clueless, inept HRM Council pisses away property tax dollars on things most citizens would not support in the name of political correctness. It should be the first thing to be slashed, but never will be.

[Hali87]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Blackmail?

Extortion?

The old protection racket?

Take your pick. They are all variations on the same theme.

I think your response would have been much more interesting and useful if you had not ignored the caveat that ruled out blackmail, extortion, etc. I understand that you could never for the life of you understand why some property owners would WANT this "garbage" on their property, but the fact is that some of them legitimately do like it. You don't have to believe me, but it's the truth.

I get it - it is a violation of basic social mores in a civilized society to willfully deface someone else's property. Always has been, always will be. Violate that social contract and I have every right to knock said artist's block off with a Louisville Slugger if I catch him in the act. Artistic license be damned. You simply do not do that.

As for the goddamn Hopscotch festival, it is a prime example of the decline of society and how our clueless, inept HRM Council pisses away property tax dollars on things most citizens would not support in the name of political correctness. It should be the first thing to be slashed, but never will be.

What you refer to as "the decline of society" could be just as accurately described as a simple paradigm shift. Yes. Graffiti art has its roots in vandalism. I will not claim anything to the contrary. However, it has evolved into a legitimate art form in which the vast majority of artists ARE respectful of property rights and do not "deface" property without the owner's permission, unless the property itself is clearly unused (the "pit" that used to exist where the Vic parking lot now is was one such example). I can say with confidence that it is "a legitimate art form", because society's definition of what constitutes a legitimate art form has changed over time. If your definition hasn't changed, then I can understand why you have such a big problem with this. But to speak in absolute terms like "it's categorically not art" and "it is vandalism and gang-related in all cases" is not accurate. This is like saying all highrises are ugly and any building over 70 years old is historically significant. You also refer to it categorically as "willfully defacing property"; while in some cases I would say that it's a definite improvement to the property. Because you categorically hate graffiti art, I already know your answer to this question, but to the rest of the people on this forum, would you say that the MacKay-Lyons Sweetapple offices on Gottingen looked better before, or after the mural?

Also, could you define "block" as used in the above? If you meant "head" then no, I'm pretty sure you do not have the right to do that.

[resetcbu1]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

I've seen some very worn down areas of cities and towns that were brought back to life with graffiti. I enjoy the art when it isn't vandalism. There are urban communities in the U.S., for instance, that open areas up for graffiti artists to basically go ta town and paint away!

For Halifax, it would be nice if the commons had more bare slabs from old buildings for artists to paint. In the winter, the graffiti would essentially be the only colour on the peninsula

there are cities all around the world including halifax that have legal walls to paint some are owned by cities some donated by the property owners the later being the case in HRM ..... where VIC stands was the "Wall of Fame" and a few warehouses in Dartmoth cove...... Alot of back alley ART was put up without permission but remained because it was well done and the owner apreciated it ...... so to each his own

[resetcbu1]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

I have never hidden the fact that I am not a clueless youth.

I get it - it is a violation of basic social mores in a civilized society to willfully deface someone else's property. Always has been, always will be. Violate that social contract and I have every right to knock said artist's block off with a Louisville Slugger if I catch him in the act. Artistic license be damned. You simply do not do that.
As for the goddamn Hopscotch festival, it is a prime example of the decline of society and how our clueless, inept HRM Council pisses away property tax dollars on things most citizens would not support in the name of political correctness. It should be the first thing to be slashed, but never will be.

WOW and the "Vandal" is the gangster , criminal and example of the decline of society ?????? maybe read your own dribble first for answears to what is wrong with the world today ..... by the way You'd better be Babe Ruth with that bat ..... just sayin'

If you don't like it... I couldn't give one never the less two shits cause I do enjoy it and your opinion will never sway mine !

[musicman]

I see keith has hijacked another thread... If you do not agree with him you are wrong and he is right. There is no grey area. And there is no swaying his "Royal Correctness" from what he thinks. (Read the library thread for some doosies of sheer entertainment value) Everybody can have an opinion as long as it is in line with his...
By the way love the "sanctioned" murals and such, used to love going into montreal on the train seeing beautiful artwork all the way in to downtown. Pity that we do not have more of it here..

[someone123]

Please take the graffiti discussion here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5919581

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