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Old Posted Nov 28, 2012, 12:07 AM
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But still, facadism would be insufficient here (IMO). The setting and massing of the BMO building is part of the appeal, and the brick rowhouses are substantial too. Sometimes, from a city-building perspective, it's okay to just say "no" to a development. Usually I'd say, "Let's work with the developer and get something great." But this is already great.
The building itself is a disaster though. I deal with several people who work there and they all say the building is a horrible place to work, full of compromises and with lots of issues. It would need a total gutting of the interior, right back to the bare walls, hugely expensive. It is nice on the outside but it wouldn't destroy me if it had to come down.
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The building itself is a disaster though. I deal with several people who work there and they all say the building is a horrible place to work, full of compromises and with lots of issues. It would need a total gutting of the interior, right back to the bare walls, hugely expensive. It is nice on the outside but it wouldn't destroy me if it had to come down.
The BMO building? Well, I'm not sure I'll concede that it's so bad, (I'm not a structural engineer, but it doesn't give off a disaster-zone vibe, and the Victorians further down the block are pretty obviously in okay shape.) But even if it is in rough shape, then as one of the most substantive structures in the area, it's also one the most worth of a restoration. In the long haul, good restoration of a structure like this can be worth a lot more per square foot than a knock-down and rebuild. If developers don't respond to sentimental heritage concerns, there's a solid economic case for saving old buildings. At least the good ones.

Here's a trailer for movie about a nightmarish renovation of a building in far worse shape than BMO could possibly be in, in a far worse neighbourhood. (It also deals with a lot of social issues around poverty and gentrification, but I'm strictly talking about the building here.) Anyone walking around that building ten years ago would've probably figured it was a write-off. But today, it looks like this and it hauls in bucketloads of money. It was also one of the pioneers in the neighbourhood, which is now a high-priced condo land (most of those condos having been built on infill lands).

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Old Posted Nov 28, 2012, 4:38 AM
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Redevelopment of Mills and Chickenburger

This is an article in Wednesday's Chronicle Herald

MacDonald eyes $60m downtown plan
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By CHRIS LAMBIE Business Editor
Mickey MacDonald says he has a $60-million plan for his properties in downtown Halifax. (PETER PARSONS / Staff)

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Mickey MacDonald has an ambitious $60-million plan for downtown Halifax.

In addition to redeveloping buildings on Queen and Birmingham streets, which he announced late last week, the head of Micco Group plans to build between eight and 10 storeys above Spring Garden Road on the site now occupied by Mills.

“After everything is all said and done, I think the value is going to be around $60 million,” MacDonald said Tuesday. “Hopefully it’s going to be a great development.”

He is no stranger to building projects.

“I did a bunch of different little kids’ stuff before. I developed some subdivisions and things like that. But this will be our first big project.”

The L-shaped downtown development, which will include commercial space on the ground floor and apartments above, will be built in stages, MacDonald said.

“I’m thinking (it will probably take) four or five years.”

He couldn’t say exactly how many apartments will fit in the project, which requires approval from city hall.

“We should be able to get a couple of hundred anyway.”

The first construction should start in early spring, MacDonald said. That initial phase will likely take at least two years to build.

MacDonald wants the ground floors on all three properties to be connected so shoppers can walk from one to the next, but he said the residential portions likely won’t have the same connection.

The project will probably include two buildings, one on the Birmingham side and another on the Queen side, MacDonald said.

He announced the sale earlier this fall of Mills, a high-end women’s wear shop, to Lisa Gallivan, Deanne MacLeod and Candace Thomas — all lawyers at Stewart McKelvey — and Toronto physiotherapist Katharine Perry, who grew up in Amherst.

“Women’s clothing is something that I was never cut out for,” MacDonald said. “I did it just to kind of keep the brand alive and I think (this) was a good opportunity for some women who want to take it over. I think they’ll do a far better job than me.”

But the business isn’t moving out of its three-storey location on Spring Garden and Birmingham, which MacDonald bought in 2007, until the end of March.

In the interim, MacDonald’s plan includes tearing down MacDonald’s short-lived Queen Street Chickenburger, formerly a doctors office, which is only two storeys.

“We’ll have that down by the end of December.”

Later in the project, MacDonald aims to redevelop the two-storey building on Birmingham that is presently home to King’s Krown Company Ltd. barbershop and M Home furniture showroom. But he couldn’t say Tuesday when that might come down.

MacDonald said he has talked with several high-level Halifax developers, including Wadih Fares and Jim Spatz, about the project. But they likely won’t be the developer he partners with to build the towers and he has not picked an architect yet.

“I’m negotiating with a couple of developers,” MacDonald said. “Over the next few weeks, I think we’ll have a decision on who we’re going to go with.”

In terms of a name, MacDonald’s toying with something that plays on the history of Mills Brothers, which opened in 1919.

“I’m not sure. But I’m thinking of calling it The Mills.”

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Old Posted Nov 28, 2012, 5:52 AM
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The BMO building? Well, I'm not sure I'll concede that it's so bad, (I'm not a structural engineer, but it doesn't give off a disaster-zone vibe, and the Victorians further down the block are pretty obviously in okay shape.) But even if it is in rough shape, then as one of the most substantive structures in the area, it's also one the most worth of a restoration.
One problem is that there's a disconnect between the public value of these properties and their private value to developers. A building may be "worth" a huge amount socially but worth little or nothing financially to an owner, particularly given the tax structure downtown.

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It was also one of the pioneers in the neighbourhood, which is now a high-priced condo land (most of those condos having been built on infill lands).
The Gladstone Hotel was an interesting project and there are similar examples in Halifax, but successful cities and neighbourhoods need a balance between old and new buildings. The neighbourhoods around Queen Street West have tons and tons of condo construction. I don't think the condos in Toronto are ideal but without some of that construction (and decent transit, which Halifax does not have) I don't think the retail vibrancy along Queen would be possible. Bloor Street meanwhile is probably a bit closer to playing the role of Spring Garden in Toronto and is mostly new buildings.

I'd like to see Barrington mostly preserved, but I think selective preservation makes more sense along Spring Garden Road. BMO's worth keeping. The little wooden buildings are debatable. I'm also hoping that we see an extension of the busy retail areas outward. Instead of just redeveloping the same 6 block stretch over and over it would be nice to see intense commercial development stretch out to Robie or down Queen Street. For example, 5770 Spring Garden is an apartment tower with a big setback. It would be pretty straightforward to put a midrise residential building with some retail in front of it. Queen has enormous potential given all the development planned around Spring Garden Road and around Fenwick.
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For those who might not have seen this in the Canada section, I'd urge you to check this out for yourself. All you need is a postal code:

http://www.environicsanalytics.ca/prizmc2_cluster_lookup.aspx
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... I'm also hoping that we see an extension of the busy retail areas outward. Instead of just redeveloping the same 6 block stretch over and over it would be nice to see intense commercial development stretch out to Robie or down Queen Street. For example, 5770 Spring Garden is an apartment tower with a big setback. It would be pretty straightforward to put a midrise residential building with some retail in front of it. Queen has enormous potential given all the development planned around Spring Garden Road and around Fenwick.
Absolutely. I hope that an uptick in density results in an expansion of the retail and services offerings in the area. I'd love to feel like there are some contiguous stretches of interesting city rather than a couple patches spread out over an unremarkable stretch of suburban development masquerading as a city.
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The Gladstone Hotel was an interesting project and there are similar examples in Halifax, but successful cities and neighbourhoods need a balance between old and new buildings. The neighbourhoods around Queen Street West have tons and tons of condo construction. I don't think the condos in Toronto are ideal but without some of that construction (and decent transit, which Halifax does not have)
No, the condos in Toronto aren't ideal, you're right—the city is overbuilding, the units are too small, and there's a lot of bad design.

But as far as an old/new building mix, Queen West (in the Gladstone's vicinity) is almost entirely preserved 19th-century buildings. Any developer who proposed knocking out a block or two would be run out of town. I think what you're saying about SGR being more like Bloor-Yorkville makes some sense, but on the other hand, Bloor through Yorkville is a pretty mediocre urban environment. If we're searching for a Toronto analogue for SGR, how about King East?

Anyway, a selective mix of old and new is perfectly all right--but if it were up to me, I'd select the BMO building (and the rest of the block) for full preservation. Mills is more debatable, depending on the quality of the proposed replacement.
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I think most people would expect to see innovative use/reuse of existing historic buildings on Spring Garden Rd. rather than replacing them with bland utility buildings such as Park lane, Cornwallis House and Spring Garden Place.

Once all of the historic buildings are replaced on Spring Garden Rd. it will be more like Robson St. .....bland but busy.

Google tour of Spring Garden Rd.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...d=ihIhqgv8FCDM6O7OGf9U4Q&cbp=12,315,,0,0

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...oid=hypa30xuJxOB_Drz_jwaUw&cbp=12,0,,0,0

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...Xt4sxbQAOyCGHQbKwmKQ&cbp=12,300,,0,-2.92

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...DP9tW8i6s_2CNVINQ&cbp=12,332.58,,1,-0.66

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...KsMU1upDs7AdHT1LLTssJA&cbp=12,32.96,,0,0

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...5wBVZ24N_SIvrHPIQB9TQ&cbp=12,109.84,,0,0

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...J0zBEHPIeQPeJU9Vg&cbp=12,295.55,,0,-1.12
don't forget the old victorian next to HMV
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don't forget the old victorian next to HMV
You bet...she's a beauty and would make a great King St. West type of exclusive boutique. How long will it be before it's ripped down?

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...Frw9F4hS54yNWuWbw&cbp=12,330.33,,1,-9.46
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You bet...she's a beauty and would make a great King St. West type of exclusive boutique. How long will it be before it's ripped down?

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=dartmouth&h...Frw9F4hS54yNWuWbw&cbp=12,330.33,,1,-9.46
it's one of the few victorian residences still remaining in the area. I keep hoping that someone will use it and maintain it; the longer it is empty the less optimistic I remain.
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it's one of the few victorian residences still remaining in the area. I keep hoping that someone will use it and maintain it; the longer it is empty the less optimistic I remain.
It should be relocated IMO. The Chickenburger on the otherhand is a complete eyesore and it will be good to see pics of this area when the sister sites go up and the library is complete.

I really hope the BMO block never happens... that would be the real shame. Brick and mortar in Halifax is much more valuable that woodframe styles that will always exist in the more residential areas. Gives that part of SGR character with all the monumental buildings further to the east.
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Is it me or did Google recently update its street view in NS? Regardless of when this took place, I'm happy to see that most of HRM appears in the summer (~May-July 2012) instead of Google's original installment in ugly late winter 2009.
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Is it me or did Google recently update its street view in NS? Regardless of when this took place, I'm happy to see that most of HRM appears in the summer (~May-July 2012) instead of Google's original installment in ugly late winter 2009.
Yes I believe they did update this summer.

I saw the Google cars in several places this summer. I am a bit suprised that the updated images have gone online already, it was late summer when I saw them.

Go Google!!
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This could (should) be happening in Halifax again:

"Thousands pour into Ikea Winnipeg on opening day"



"More than 2,000 people flowed into the Ikea store as the doors opened at 9 a.m. A total of more than 20,000 people are expected to pass through the store on opening day."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/11/28/mb-ikea-opening-winnipeg.html
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CBC seemed to think Sask would be Ikea's next Canadian target...

Though it was a news segment based out of Vancouver.
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Is it me or did Google recently update its street view in NS? Regardless of when this took place, I'm happy to see that most of HRM appears in the summer (~May-July 2012) instead of Google's original installment in ugly late winter 2009.
It may have been a regional update.

Here in Fredericton, UNB finally made it on to street view today for the first time. Took a surprisingly long time. Fortunately they did a pretty thorough job, even getting paths not open to vehicular traffic and the parking lots too.
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Yes I believe they did update this summer.

I saw the Google cars in several places this summer. I am a bit suprised that the updated images have gone online already, it was late summer when I saw them.

Go Google!!
Awesome. The car passed me back in the summer, and I made the cut!! Although partly obscured by a stopsign post..

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Awesome. The car passed me back in the summer, and I made the cut!! Although partly obscured by a stopsign post..

Moi.
Interesting. I wonder how Google manages to blur people's faces; is there software that does it automatically?
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Interesting. I wonder how Google manages to blur people's faces; is there software that does it automatically?
I believe they use face recognition software for that. I noticed that my coffee cup's logo is blurred out too... that's a trickier proposition for software I would think.
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When it comes to deterring graffiti I think the best methods are found on North Street. The law offices at Windsor installed flower boxes which seemed to do the trick (and made the corner a lot more attractive), and the FRED building at Agricola has a wicked mural facing the alley.

Personally I think some forms of graffiti look great but not when they are facing public roads. In alleys they fit in well but on the front of buildings flower boxes and innovate facade designs seem to work and look a lot better.
As a former graffiti ARTIST I can tell you that there are many different types of graf artists ...... The abstract message writers , taggers(vandals) and real artists who's medium is graffiti and then there is the blend of all of them! most of these other than the pure taggers will have enough respect for other art forms to not deface it or destroy it so that is the best deterent and works well to save face on nice property.... but I LOVE back alley graffiti or on bridges or overpass or anything like that , I find it adds character to a city
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