Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[jlousa]

The line could certainly be risen along a guideway as it enters the university lands. Won't be much cheaper but it'll save some funds.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

It seems that the Musqueam "Block F" proposal has been in the news recently, but missed by many people here.

From the Van City Buzz:



Community consultation is top priority for the Musqueam Indian Band as it moves ahead with a proposal to redevelop an area known as Block F, a 22-acre parcel situated on the University Endowment Lands (UEL).

The land — a free title, not a band reserve — was returned to Musqueam as part of the 2008 Reconciliation Agreement with the Province of British Columbia. Musqueam’s proposal is for a vibrant mixed-used neighbourhood that will include housing, retail space and a 120-room hotel. The goal is to create a place that Musqueam and UEL community members can be proud of.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/11/musqu...t-of-university-endowment-lands-block-f/


If the Musqueam are serious about building 8,000 to 12,000 housing units (aka condos), plus commercial and hotel space on the property, they would likely be willing to cough up some $$$ to get a transit station included on their property.

This development looks to be similar in size & scope as the proposed build-out of Oakridge, so there should be extra incentive to get Skytrain out to UBC to service this development.

The 10-15 year time frame for building seems to align with the same timeline to have Skytrain to UBC completed.

I don't think the Musqueam have plans to build 8,000-12,000 housing units. It's a pretty small site, at 22 acres. From what I've heard, their plans is to build enough housing for 3,000-5,000 people...which is similar to the size of the Oakridge development's condo aspect in its 28 acres.

[bardak]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Just watch: Broadway-City Hall Station (Canada Line AND Broadway SkyTrain) will be the next Commercial-Broadway Station hub of the region.

Luckily it looks like the transfer between the Canada line and Millenium line extension would be the best in the system. All that is needed is to walk up the stairs from the Canada line platform to the concourse then through the knockout panel to the Millenium line concourse (hopefully with out stairs) and then down the stairs to the platform.

[squeezied]

where is this video?

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by bardak

Luckily it looks like the transfer between the Canada line and Millenium line extension would be the best in the system. All that is needed is to walk up the stairs from the Canada line platform to the concourse then through the knockout panel to the Millenium line concourse (hopefully with out stairs) and then down the stairs to the platform.

Hopefully no stairs! Although, I do recall that knockout panel being quite narrow...I wonder if it would be possible to make it wider and even add an additional pathway directly from the outbound platform level of the Canada Line - a pathway at the wall space at the bottom of the escalator/staircase on the outboard platform.

A third ground level station entrance to the Broadway-City Hall underground station complex at the southwest corner of the intersection of Broadway and Cambie through the redevelopment of that corner would be ideal....just like the secondary entrance at Crossroads across the street.

[hollywoodnorth]

Vancouver unveils $2.8-billion vision for Broadway corridor subway

Rapid-transit in Vancouver, Surrey ‘a priority’, but it all comes down to funding: TransLink


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Vancouver+un...+subway/7618762/story.html#ixzz2DUTmRaoE

[Metro-One]

Read the goofy comments already posted, people saying "Vancouver wants, wants, wants" and the funniest are the LRT boosters, saying how Portland and Calgary have figured it out, but Vancouver should have never built skytrain... It is amazing how clueless so many people are...

[Spork]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Read the goofy comments already posted, people saying "Vancouver wants, wants, wants" and the funniest are the LRT boosters, saying how Portland and Calgary have figured it out, but Vancouver should have never built skytrain... It is amazing how clueless so many people are...

Now if we all add our own 2c and "up-vote" (e.g. "like" logical comments) , maybe we can help garner support from the casual reader...

[Millennium2002]

lol. This is what happens when there's like two or more cities all competing for a share of rapid transit and its associated development cash...

[GlassCity]

Good article about this-

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/11/broadway-rapid-transit-is-vancouvers-top-priority/

[Metro-One]

And again funny comments with people spouting off the cost effective surface LRT —. Honestly, I can't stand uninformed opinions when it comes to such potential projects.

[jlousa]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

Good article about this-

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/11/broadway-rapid-transit-is-vancouvers-top-priority/

where's the article? They simply copied the COV staff presentation and failed to credit it in typical vancitybuzz fashion.

[Meraki]

Originally Posted by jlousa

where's the article? They simply copied the COV staff presentation and failed to credit it in typical vancitybuzz fashion.

It sources the COV presentation and links to it at the end of the article.

[trofirhen]

A UBC spokesman said that the federal government should kick in for the UBC line funding, as well as the province and the city. Nothing could be more spot on.
Last I heard, BC, as a "have" province, received less in government spending than wealthy Ontario. Time to shake things up a it, I think, unless this news is now out of date.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

A UBC spokesman said that the federal government should kick in for the UBC line funding, as well as the province and the city. Nothing could be more spot on.
Last I heard, BC, as a "have" province, received less in government spending than wealthy Ontario. Time to shake things up a it, I think, unless this news is now out of date.

Trofirhen, since Ontario has over 3x the population of BC, I would hope that Ontario receives more in government spending!

If you're talking about government funding on a per capita basis you are correct: for 2012-2013, Ontario will receive $1,442 per person, while BC will receive $1,227 per person. By comparison, Alberta will receive $994 per person (source: Department of Finance Canada)

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

And again funny comments with people spouting off the cost effective surface LRT —. Honestly, I can't stand uninformed opinions when it comes to such potential projects.

Oh, Zwei ..... where are you now ....

[mr.x]

I'm gonna say this thing will cost $3.2-billion from VCC-Clarke to UBC, and that's the cost of doing it right and not cutting corners in design...the $1.5-billion and $2.8-billion figures from the City seem a bit low, especially considering construction wouldn't theoretically begin for another 3-4 years earliest.
- $1.8-billion from VCC-Clarke to Arbutus
- $1.4-billion from Arbutus to UBC

Contribution breakdown:
- Feds: $800-million
- Province: $1-billion
- Translink: $1-billion
- City of Vancouver: $200-million
- UBC: $200-million (how likely? lol)

[xd_1771]

^ What doesn't make sense is how the cost triples in 14 years.
A 1998-2000 study (one of the two years, can't remember which one off the top of my head) had the cost earmarked for an extension to Arbutus at just under $600 million. Then again, service levels were lower the time. Still, that the cost actually tripled seems rather unreasonable, unless the first study had something overlooked. Or did that study cut-and-cover but not bored tunnel?

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by xd_1771

^ What doesn't make sense is how the cost triples in 14 years.
A 1998-2000 study (one of the two years, can't remember which one off the top of my head) had the cost earmarked for an extension to Arbutus at just under $600 million. Then again, service levels were lower the time. Still, that the cost actually tripled seems rather unreasonable, unless the first study had something overlooked. Or did that study cut-and-cover but not bored tunnel?

Annual inflation at 2-3% plus rising costs in labour and materials since, expanding project scope and different definitions of costs...

When the Evergreen Line was first axed by the provincial government in 2002, it would've cost $700-million. 5 years later when the project was revived as SkyTrain, cancelling Translink's $900-million LRT plans (even LRT was originally $700-million when first proposed in lieu of SkyTrain, and was steadily becoming a billion), it became $1.2-billion. The "final" cost of Evergreen as of this year is $1.4-billion.

With the Canada Line, the very...very...very first estimate on the cost was $1.5-billion. That was in 2001.

My recollection for the Millennium Line stations that opened in 2002 were that they cost $20-million or less, except for Lougheed, Commercial, and Brentwood which were slightly over. VCC-Clarke opened in 2006 at $30-million. The Canada Line's No. 3 Road stations cost $20-million each, and the anticipated Capstan Way station is nearing $25-million already...probably $30-million when construction actually begins. Most of the Canada Line's underground stations were between $30-50 million...City Centre was $50-million.

[amor de cosmos]

a couple new blog entries
http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized...to-building-broadway-rapid-transit-line/
http://www.geoffmeggs.ca/2012/11/27/why-...-riders-businesses-the-regional-economy/