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Originally Posted by alki
if what you consider to be the criteria for a successful city.......clean sidewalks and a lack of homeless/panhandlers.......were in fact the necessary criteria, then Bunker Hill should be a raging success. And yet, its usually deader than a pile of rocks..........even during the day.
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alki, again, I think a cigar is sometimes just a cigar & you're making things more complicated than they really are.
A hood that's fugly & rundown....made much worse by too much homelessness & panhandlers, & dirty sidewalks....won't make most ppl-----again, MOST ppl-----feel
cuz its newer bldgs aren't in the book of great architecture, cuz its new apt bldgs are too short, cuz LA live doesn't connect better to the surrounding area, cuz there are parking podiums instead of stores, cuz a new proj is painted in certain colors, cuz new park benches are a bright pink instead of a dark green, cuz walls are stucco instead of granite, cuz the principles of Jane jacobs aren't being followed line by line. No, I'd say most ppl----again, MOST ppl-----will feel
about the hood cuz it's......fugly & rundown, with too many homeless milling around, in too many instances on very dirty sidewalks.
But I do agree that the overly quiet nature of bunker hill...with its large underpopulated plazas....isn't going to make the average person wanna go
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. however, I think what really puts a chill on the hood to them is that, even today, some very large portions of it are no better than this....
google.com
the economy of dt has been so weak for so many yrs & yrs, that large pieces of bh....ripe for new devlpt....have sat unused or barely utilized, even in 2012.
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And the parts of DTLA that have always had lots of dirty sidewalks and homeless people...........and I am assuming the sidewalks are dirty because you keep bringing them up and not because I've paid much attention to them....those are the parts of DTLA that were always filled with people and fairly successful as an urban area. Yes, I know......many of those throngs of people were/are poor and lower middle class but that demographic didn't make that area of DTLA any less urbane.
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alki, your POV reminds me of a forumer who I believe also thought the grit of a street like broadway & the poorness seen throughout dt was either tolerable or even sort of hip. But he described how he took a friend originally from europe to visit that street & she was very
about how dirty & rundown it was. I had a sense her tude affected him the same way that a similar negative reaction of my own friend....who I took to dt with her daughter earlier this yr.....affected me.
I still recall the time I was with some family members on that street & my daughter was totally put off by the area....she said something like "who shops around here?! why would anyone want to browse these stores??!"
so I think for every person who goes
cuz a new proj doesn't fit their idea of great design....cuz it isn't tall enough or painted too many colors.... there are way more ppl.....hundreds of more ppl.....who will go
& feel
cuz of the condition of things like the clark hotel on hill street...
hunter kerhart
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