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Old Posted Nov 27, 2012, 7:49 AM
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On topic... This map from 1846 (Library of Congress) shows the 49th through Vancouver Island. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._territory.jpg

The 49th is at the north end of Ladysmith, fwiw. and the 50th at Campbell River

http://goo.gl/maps/Kz4F0
http://goo.gl/maps/ESdhE
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2012, 5:19 PM
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This shows the "logic all its own" that I mentioned earlier with respect to picking a line of latitude (or longitude for that matter) as a border. It took an ocean straight to overcome that internal logic; clearly even a bay (Boundary Bay) off the same ocean straight wasn't enough. The Americans who agreed to the current border at the time probably figured they were "giving up" the lower reaches of Vancouver Island.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2012, 7:01 PM
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The Americans who agreed to the current border at the time probably figured they were "giving up" the lower reaches of Vancouver Island.
The US President was happy to get a peaceful agreement at the time to avoid wars on two fronts with both the British and Mexicans, who also claimed territory up to the California/Oregon border. The British envoy failed to use this leverage.

The only reason the border isn't farther south is because no one cared enough. The British only started caring about the west coast when the gold rush started another decade after the Oregon treaty.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2012, 12:36 AM
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The British did try for a more southern border, but it elicited such negative reaction (including a demand that US territory extend all the way north to Russian Alaska) that there was little choice but to drop the issue.

To the Americans of the era, any British land south of the 49th would be regarded as having been somehow stolen. They would look at a map and see the nice straight line of the 49th give way to a jagged intrusion of British territory - and contrast that with the similarly nice straight line then defining the border with Mexico. Even if the Americans had been in the least bit inclined to agree to a border along the Columbia, they could have argued fairly persuasively that that border should continue upstream along the Kootenay River to the 49th (see map).

As it was, the Americans had already tried in 1818 to get the 49th extended all the way to the Pacific as the border. And therein lies the actual problem and where and when the blame should be placed: the British should never have agreed to a boundary across the prairies based on a line of latitude in the first place. Once they did that, it was virtually inevitable that the border across the mountains would continue along that line.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2012, 1:15 AM
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If Vancouver were closer to Latitude 48°N, it would get less rain and more sun, surely. (well, you gotta think of all the angles) .....
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