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Well, this is it, we are about to lose one of the city's greatest architectural landmark;

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Ogilvy’s demolition could start next week

OTTAWA — Workers will start demolishing the derelict Ogilvy’s building on Rideau Street next week, hoping to get its facade off and preserved before winter, architect Barry Padolsky told city council’s planning committee Tuesday.

Councillors agreed that Cadillac Fairview Corp., the corporate parent of the Rideau Centre shopping mall that’s planning to expand into the former department store at Rideau and Nicholas, can go to work on the old building even though it doesn’t have a completed plan for the expansion. City council is to sign off finally on Wednesday.

The Rideau Centre was given permission to preserve two faces of the Ogilvy’s building and get rid of the rest back in 2006, on condition that it finalize that expansion plan. But the Rideau Centre’s former owner, Viking Rideau Corp., froze the plan and not much happened for six years. Now Cadillac Fairview has reactivated it and wants to get the facade preserved before winter, with the idea of getting city approval for its plan in the next several months and starting construction in late spring.

“If we were to wait until that process is concluded, not only would we have subjected the building to another winter, but any process to refurbish or renew that heritage building could not continue until that site plan had been approved,” said committee chairman Peter Hume, who brought the formal request to let Cadillac Fairview start work.

Ogilvy’s closed its flagship store in 1992 and it hasn’t been used since — a deliberate decision, not an uncontrollable act of God, pointed out Leslie Maitland, the president of Heritage Ottawa.

“The building didn’t deteriorate on its own over the past 20 years. It was left to deteriorate,” she told the committee.

Merely preserving the facade rather than renovating the building doesn’t satisfy heritage advocates, but Hume told them that ship sailed in 2006. Maitland agreed it’s better than nothing.

The first work will be to investigate what’s gone on under the building’s skin, Padolsky said. Much of it might be needed as “spare parts” to bring the preserved portions up to snuff, he said.


Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ogilvy...xt+week/7541969/story.html#ixzz2CDZoJiQv
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ogilvy+demolition+could+start+next+week/7541969/story.html
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Why did it take so damn long for Heritage Ottawa to speak up!? They had 6 years, arguably 12 years to make their case.
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I'm not sure that Ottawa has the high-end market to sustain Holt, Harry, and Nordstrom. Simmons is much more representative of the price point in the Ottawa market. Oh well, they can move into the Sears locale once Nordstrom closes in 5-7 years
hmm i would have thought quite the opposite. ottawa is a very rich city with an economy that is starting to diversify from the federal sector.
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hmm i would have thought quite the opposite. ottawa is a very rich city with an economy that is starting to diversify from the federal sector.
"Starting" is the operative word. The Ottawa workforce is still 45% public servants, the vast majority of whom are middle or upper middle income levels. Hardly the clientele for a store selling $5k suits or $400 jeans. There is a market here, but I think they are pretty well-served by the current high-end retailers. Look at Les Ailles as an example. There is TONS of money in West Ottawa and Kanata, but they couldn't make a go of it at Bayshore. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy we are getting Nordstrom, but I have this nagging worry that we won't be able to support them.
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"Starting" is the operative word. The Ottawa workforce is still 45% public servants, the vast majority of whom are middle or upper middle income levels. Hardly the clientele for a store selling $5k suits or $400 jeans. There is a market here, but I think they are pretty well-served by the current high-end retailers. Look at Les Ailles as an example. There is TONS of money in West Ottawa and Kanata, but they couldn't make a go of it at Bayshore. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy we are getting Nordstrom, but I have this nagging worry that we won't be able to support them.
I am not even sure that money is the main issue. It's more about conservative fashion tastes. Many people in Ottawa often seem to be allergic to dressing stylishly. This has changed quite a bit already but there is still a way to go.
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I am not even sure that money is the main issue. It's more about conservative fashion tastes. Many people in Ottawa often seem to be allergic to dressing stylishly. This has changed quite a bit already but there is still a way to go.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I find that in matters sartorial, Ottawa is one of the most casual cities I have ever seen. My own theory is that it's not just conservatism, but the fact that the public service is so uniformly and comfortably middle class that appearances just don't matter much, as opposed to many places around the world where the way you dress signals your position in the social hierarchy.

I do think that Ottawa could use more higher end retailers, so I'm glad that Nordstrom is coming.
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I find that in matters sartorial, Ottawa is one of the most casual cities I have ever seen. My own theory is that it's not just conservatism, but the fact that the public service is so uniformly and comfortably middle class that appearances just don't matter much, as opposed to many places around the world where the way you dress signals your position in the social hierarchy
Even that is changing around the world. The principles of the "Dress for Success" model, authored by Milloy, are slowly going by the wayside.

When I started to work for multinational corps---suits, dress shirts, and ties were pretty well mandatory for men. By the time I left the corp world, staff at our HO wore business casual five days a week.(i.e. CDN HO in Montreal and World HO in Manhattan) The code was that you only needed to put on a suit if you were expecting a visit from a client or other distinguished visitor from outside the company. I am only guessing, but the fact that so much contact is done electronically these days, rather than always face to face, has had an influence on dress codes.

Even though most people dress in casual wear most of the time, there will always be those who want to dress in the best high end casual wear. It is in quality casual wear that most of the profit is these days.

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You say that like it's a bad thing.
I find that in matters sartorial, Ottawa is one of the most casual cities I have ever seen. My own theory is that it's not just conservatism, but the fact that the public service is so uniformly and comfortably middle class that appearances just don't matter much, as opposed to many places around the world where the way you dress signals your position in the social hierarchy.

I do think that Ottawa could use more higher end retailers, so I'm glad that Nordstrom is coming.
Actually, I don't really care how people dress in Ottawa or anywhere else. But I do observe the same things that you do.

What does (or did - this was a few years ago) bug me about Ottawa is that a lot of people look at you funny if you are dressed the slightest bit snappy.

I used to get this all the time when I went out (in my younger days) and I wasn't exactly dressed in a tuxedo or even anything to being "metrosexual". It's odd to get stared at in a nightclub in a large city on a Saturday night because you just came there from a more formal event and happen to be wearing something semi-formal and not jeans and a t-shirt.

People in Ottawa seem to be fairly conformist and compared to other cities don't seem to be as accepting of people dressing in diverse styles. (Aside from ethnic dress which they seem to be ok with.)
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Even that is changing around the world. The principles of the "Dress for Success" model, authored by Milloy, are slowly going by the wayside.

When I started to work for multinational corps---suits, dress shirts, and ties were pretty well mandatory for men. By the time I left the corp world, staff at our HO wore business casual five days a week.(i.e. CDN HO in Montreal and World HO in Manhattan) The code was that you only needed to put on a suit if you were expecting a visit from a client or other distinguished visitor from outside the company. I am only guessing, but the fact that so much contact is done electronically these days, rather than always face to face, has had an influence on dress codes.

Even though most people dress in casual wear most of the time, there will always be those who want to dress in the best high end casual wear. It is in quality casual wear that most of the profit is these days.
Agree with what is in bold. Even in so-called fashion capitals like Paris, Milan, etc., only a small minority of people you see out and about can be said to be dressed snappy.

Lots and lots of track suits and white sneakers (even if they tend to be Puma as opposed to New Balance) in these cities and elsewhere around Europe and the world.
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I found these images during a google search - I realize they are old, and not accurate for the current expansion, but will be interesting to see the current plans of what Rideau St could/will become:





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Masterplan development for existing central area site in the heart of the nation’s capital. Proposed development includes new convention centre, hotel and expansion of existing retail facilities.
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I just want the expansion to include the Ogilvy (sp?) Building.
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It will include the facade.

The plans should be released soon. They look good, nothing groundbreaking but very sharp.
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I'm really hoping for a complete exterior overhaul along with the expansion. It looks more like a bunker than a shopping mall. It would be really nice if a modern movie theatre were part of the plan as well!
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Again, there is no reason to tear down a historic building built with a solid steel frame. It was made for ease of expansion. They are not tearing it down because of financial constraints, but because they can and the city is packed with a bunch of chicken shits at the helm.

But anyway, here again is a document about the restoration of the 1907 façade of Ogilvy's, and at the end, you will find drawings and renders of the Rideau elevation (day and night) dating back to 2006. Note that they were planning for 2 floors at the time and we are currently looking at three, but the third could be a lower level connected (and possibly include) the subway concourse.


http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/a-lacac/2006/03-23/ACS2006-PGM-APR-0079.htm
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More on the Ogilvy;

http://www.eeldersite.com/Charles_Ogilvy_Limited.pdf

His house is still standing at 488 Edison Avenue, designed by W.E. Noffke, the same architect that designed the 1907 store and 1916 expansion. The house is now an condo apartment by Uniform. And his first store was across the street from the Bay (Freiman's did not exist at the time) on the corner of Rideau and Mosgrove, likely knocked down for the hideous Rideau Centre.

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I love Chipotle's! Here's hoping it's part of a wider Canadian expansion.
I wish they'd add a few more actual restaurants. In my wildest dreams they would have a P.F Chang's.
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I was hoping for a Cineplex VIP theatre, and even posted about it, but I had to edit my post....It turns out Rideau is an Empire Theatre.

Damn.

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Ottawa Citizen article on Charles Ogilvy. Also includes plenty of old pictures;

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On the eve of demolition, the history of Ogilvy’s shines


OTTAWA — For much of the 20th century, Charles Ogilvy Ltd., known as “Ogilvy’s”, was one of Ottawa’s top department stores. Famous for tartan boxes, this was the place to shop for “quality” goods of every description, and where staff spent a lifetime.

Presiding over it all was an ethical local businessman who granted employees shares in the company and closed display-window curtains on Sundays so the Sabbath wouldn’t be commercialized.

Though the Ogilvy name disappeared from Ottawa’s retail landscape in 1986, memories were kept alive by the building. It anchors the corner of Rideau and Nicholas streets, and was designed by gifted Ottawa architect W.E. Noffke.

These are its last weeks. Built in 1907, the heritage-designated building is slated for demolition at the end of January. Part of the original façade will be preserved as a relic.

Its significance is more than architectural; the story of Ogilvy’s reveals a social history of Ottawa and the changing nature of retail. Ogilvy’s evolution “parallels the North American-wide development of the department store as the most important retail phenomenon of the late 19th and 20th centuries,” says a City of Ottawa heritage statement.

Charles Ogilvy was born in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1861 and moved in 1863 to Ottawa, where his father ran a stationery shop. At age 13, he became a store clerk. “I was not a boy who cared very much about school,” he would say.

Thirteen years later, in 1887, Ogilvy opened a small dry goods store at 92 Rideau St. It was the age of horse-drawn streetcars, wooden sidewalks and lumberjacks in hobnail boots. The counters and shelves were stocked with fabrics and trimmings; the lamps were gaslit.

“It developed into a meeting place where friends were accustomed to stop and discuss the topics of the day,” according to the store’s 1947 Diamond Jubilee booklet. “With the sides of the pot-bellied stove glowing red, and the windows frosted over, the little store took on the atmosphere of a small-size community centre.”

The enterprise was founded on the motto “Good Merchandise, At a Fair Price, With Service.” Ogilvy offered a one-price policy, a departure from bargaining. Ogilvy, a devout Christian, told the truth about goods: Only 100 per cent silk could be called pure. “I built my business because people could trust me,” he said.

The three-storey shop that opened in 1907 at 126 Rideau St. was one of the first steel-and-concrete structures in Ottawa. As business grew, the fourth and fifth floors were added in 1931 and 1934, making it the largest department store in the capital.

The building is flat-roofed and clad in buff-coloured brick. Distinctive features, valued for their design heritage, include the rounded northeast corner at Nicholas Street, the generously scaled wood-frame windows, the ornamented metal cornice at the roof line and wall panels decorated with a motif called “the tree of life.”

Ogilvy’s flourished during the lean years of the Depression and two world wars. Inside the store, abundance and civility contrasted with the harsh world outside. Piles of suitcases, a profusion of radios and stacks of folded men’s shirts greeted the visitor. The interior was designed with high ceilings, suspended lamps, checked floors and glass shop fittings.


“The success of Ottawa’s local department stores, such as Ogilvy’s, Freimans, Murphy-Gamble and Caplan’s, discouraged the expansion of national chains (including Eaton’s, Simpsons, Simpsons-Sears and the Bay) into the national capital region until the 1950s,” Ottawa architectural historian Ken Elder has written.

Ogilvy’s sold everything from foundation garments to farm hardware. It delivered with a fleet of trucks and repaired what it sold. It was the Ikea of the day, except the sturdy unfinished furniture which was made in Westboro still survives under layers of paint in many Ottawa households.

“If you got a coat there, you’d wear it for life,” recalls longtime employee Ada Henwood, 81. “It was a lovely place to work. You made such good friends.”

The welcome was friendly and the merchandise, whether footballs or furs, could be discussed with knowledgeable staff. “A customer is the most important person ever to enter our store,” said a store-procedure guide. “We are not doing him a favour by serving him — he is doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to do so.”

The guide warned workers against any word or deed which “might be considered in questionable taste or likely to jeopardize Ogilvy’s reputation for integrity, fair dealings, good service and courtesy.”

By 1947, there was a staff of 600, including elevator operators and a resident nurse. “We were a family,” says Phil Conquer, 85, the last vice president. Ogilvy, who was married, but had no children, “was like the head of the family. He knew all the staff. He treated everybody with respect.”

Conquer joined the advertising department in 1946 at age 19. His pay was $18 a week.

Soon after, he bumped into Ogilvy on the elevator. “Oh yes, we met three weeks ago,” he said. “You’re young Conquer.” The elderly man asked to touch the fabric of Conquer’s tweed suit. “May I? Very nice material. Eatons Montreal by chance?” The seasoned merchant had guessed correctly.

Roy Hyndman, the company’s last president, started in 1929 when he was 16, selling roller skates. In 1939, when he went to serve in the Second World War, Ogilvy gave him 100 shares. After that, everybody with 10 years of service received stock.

Ogilvy’s added a store at Billings Bridge in 1962 and Lincoln Fields in 1972. The main store, which had had a major fire in 1969, expanded in 1983 when the Rideau Centre opened. But by then it was losing money to national chains.

“At that stage, we could be called old fashioned,” said Conquer. “We appealed to older people. We weren’t appealing to youth.”

In 1984, shareholders voted to sell the company to G. W. Robinson Ltd. of Burlington for $10.9 million. The stores operated as Robinson-Ogilvy, before being sold in 1986 to Comark Services. The chain became known as Robinson’s and closed in 1992.


Ottawa’s Ogilvy’s was not related to the Ogilvy store in Montreal.

The flagship Rideau Street store has stood empty for 20 years. Last week, workers began testing how best to remove the façade.

“We’re going to be dismantling the original three-storey facade, brick-by-brick, panel-by-panel, window-by-window and restoring them and reconstructing them on the new Rideau Centre expansion,” says architect Barry Padolsky.

Dismantling is expected to be completed by the end of January, followed by demolition of the building behind it.

“In 2015, when the Rideau Centre expansion is done, that corner will feature the façade,” he said. “It will have elements that have not been there for 50 years: cornices that were stripped off, ornamental brickwork which had been removed.”

President and founder Charles Ogilvy will continue to have a presence; Padolsky’s office will reconstruct a medallion bearing his initials.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/ottawa/demolition+history+Ogilvy+shines/7706922/story.html

From what I have heard, as of 1985, after the last known renovations, the checkered floors (seen in a few pictures) and the bird cage elevator (seen in 8th picture on the left of the stairs with sporting goods) are still inside. Interior has no historic value; my butt.
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I thought about the visual symmetry (3 floors thru out), but we have the 8 storey Transportation building on the N-W corner. As for the blank wall (which would be lower than the Transportation building) we could see a mural depicting the history of the Rideau Centre area.
A heritage mural of the "bus mall", Mosgrove Street, etc., etc.
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