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Old Posted Sep 25, 2012, 10:36 PM
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I considered voting green a number of years ago when their platform seemed to be one of pragmatism with an environmental focus, ie encourage economic growth in sustainable ways, but after May became leader I lost interest.
I have voted for the Greens, federally, before and after the activist wing took back control of the party, but I'll admit to having to hold my nose while doing it.
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So now that Trudeau is running for the Lib leadership does that pretty much dash any hope for a non-Con in Calgary Centre? I have to admit that is my thinking.
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Other big, non traditional names that will shake up what the media are already looking at as a coronation for the Liberal Party leadership. Stay tuned.
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Interesting, because the media is already crowning him mere hours after the story broke.
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So now that Trudeau is running for the Lib leadership does that pretty much dash any hope for a non-Con in Calgary Centre? I have to admit that is my thinking.
Depends on if/when other contenders bring their names forward.

For example, if Mr Garneau were to declare prior to the byelection for Calgary Centre, he could speak very well to the Calgary topics and could easily be the front of camera face for Calgary Centre tour. Essentially it would allow for Trudeau to come out swinging against Energy, pipelines, small government and allow Garneau to be the elder statesman and the face of calm reason on the camera.

Worst possible scenario for the Liberals in Calgary-Centre, Trudeau declares candidacy and is not opposed throughout the byelection campaign. At this point it debateble whether Trudeau should or should not door knock with Mr Locke.
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Interesting, because the media is already crowning him mere hours after the story broke.
Bigtime,

I think you would enjoy Ibbitson's column in this mornings mop and pale.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli...rals-best-and-worst-hope/article4568779/
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So now that Trudeau is running for the Lib leadership does that pretty much dash any hope for a non-Con in Calgary Centre? I have to admit that is my thinking.
Your theory will get tested very early. Guess who's comming to town.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli...arty-starting-in-alberta/article4581043/

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Justin Trudeau will confront two ghosts in his first 24 hours as a candidate for the Liberal leadership: his reputation as an intellectual lightweight, and his party’s toxic brand in Alberta.
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The following day, Mr. Trudeau will head directly to Calgary, in a barren part of the country for the Liberal Party.

The meeting with Alberta supporters will be a direct acknowledgment of the lasting damage to his party’s brand that was caused by the National Energy Policy, launched in 1980 by his late father, former prime minister Pierre Trudeau.

It’s important for the campaign to show that Mr. Trudeau is willing to go to places where the Liberals haven’t had much success in recent years, said a member of Mr. Trudeau’s team who spoke on condition of anonymity
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^ He probably realizes that Alberta holds more power these days compared to the the late 70's. Even more so with new seats being added next election.
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Alberta turned against the Liberal and Conservative Parties after the conscription crisis in 1917, only returning to the conservative fold in the late 50s.

So yeah, the electoral challenges are pretty deep, but can be fixed.
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There was a joking suggestion recently on the Airport forum to rename YYC to Anders International. After a big grin, I thought it might be important and interesting to highlight this Anders phenomenon.

It is critically important to note that Anders and Harper are very good friends, as are Anderson and Danielle Smith (I won't get into the historical personal relationships, but use your imaginations). They are also from similar political backgrounds - Reformers / ultra-right wingers relative to the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada of old. The reason they appear different now is less so because of Anders, and more so because Harper has been part of a public face transformation of his own over a long period of time. Many people have suggested that Anders probably has something over Harper such as to allow him to retain his position and keep being protected by the PMO at a riding level (no one is truly allowed to challenge Anders for the nomination). The reality is, there is no picture with a goat, rather it is quite strategic, and in two ways:

Firstly, Anders often will say things that Harper cannot. It plants the seed and gets the public thinking, while keeping Harper clean. An example of this would be overt support of the WildRose Alliance in the provincial elections. While the PMO would have stated that they Feds will keep distance from provincial politics, it would have been the PM and PMO that would have inspired or even instructed Anders to lead the charge against Redford. Redford's cold relationship with Harper is not an overreaction to a rogue MP, rather is a result of Redford knowing the workings of the PM and PMO.

Secondly, Anders is often asked to cause disruption and deflect attention when certain types of activities are happening in Ottawa. These could be getting certain motions in and detracting attention from opposition parties calling out the government, or on occasion when the "central" feds have messed up and are being seen in negative light. Anders becomes a sideshow, and he can't personally get any worse a name than he already has. Works brilliantly.

Anders is a god-send for the PM and his all-powerful PMO (and I'd bet Anders would love that articulation). He is indispensable to Harper, and the track-record and Harper's protection of him speaks volumes.

While most already know of this web-site, for those who are a pinch younger, you may be interested in visiting:
http://www.voteoutanders.com/

Just to be clear, the muzzle often mentioned in context of Anders, is not always left on. It is undone more and more.

Question: Anyone worked out what type of pension 40yr old Anders is already set for?
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Mildly plausible, but I think your theory is bordering on tinfoil hat territory. Anders has managed to maintain his hold on the riding because he (inexplicably) has been able to get his supporters elected to the board of the Calgary West Conservative Association. Those of us in the oust-Anders camp have simply been outgunned by the pro-Anders constituents - his deceitful tactics seem to work on Conservatives within the riding.

As for the PMO, I think that they would secretly be happy if Anders were gone, but he does have many prominent conservatives among his friends. Ezra Levant being one of them.
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... but he does have many prominent conservatives among his friends. Ezra Levant being one of them.
Prominent is one word for Ezra. He's been is a bad mood ever since being consistently second on the UCalgary Business School team behind Naheed.
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Prominent is one word for Ezra. He's been is a bad mood ever since being consistently second on the UCalgary Business School team behind Naheed.
Yup - check out this hatchet job by Ezra on Donna Kennedy-Glans, the last challenger to Anders. Shameful...
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Just attended a small event and had a chance to meet Chris Turner. Didn't ask any questions myself (I was kind of out of my element!), but the other attendees didn't softball him, and I was quite impressed with his responses and composure. Still not sure of his chances, but if he can motivate traditionally apathetic voters (Nenshi-style), things could at least get interesting.
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Redford's salute to Rob Anders, so to speak:
https://twitter.com/harveylockeyyc/status/267460599691223041/photo/1
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The Premier will take photos with anyone who asks pretty much, especially when they are PC convention delegates - her house hosts a CPC sign.
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The Premier will take photos with anyone who asks pretty much, especially when they are PC convention delegates - her house hosts a CPC sign.
Surprising, I would've thought that Ms. Redford would be a Liberal supporter given the way her administration has governed the province thus far.
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Surprising, I would've thought that Ms. Redford would be a Liberal supporter given the way her administration has governed the province thus far.
You mean without outrageous acts of felonious voter fraud and other indictable offenses? I'm also not aware of too many in her caucus who are closeted gay men who lobby against same sex marriage a la Kenney and Anders, but that doesn't make her Liberal; it just makes her a decent human being.
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You mean without outrageous acts of felonious voter fraud and other indictable offenses? I'm also not aware of too many in her caucus who are closeted gay men who lobby against same sex marriage a la Kenney and Anders, but that doesn't make her Liberal; it just makes her a decent human being.
No, I'm generally not concerned about such trivial issues. I was mainly referring to the amount of wasteful spending that has continued to spiral out of control for the better part of the last decade. Per capita spending is now higher than Ontario, BC, Saskatchewan and Quebec; and it is increasing when it should be slowing as we move towards economic expansion. Her government has done nothing in terms of healthcare reform and seem to think that throwing more money at a broken system will solve a structural problem. The provincial bureaucracy continues to grow when it needs to be slashed. The province should be investing in key infrastructure in our two metropolises as well as post secondary education, but vast amounts of royalty revenue are instead directed towards wasteful program spending. When they cannot balance a budget with $90 oil, you know there is a problem. Also the fact that the PC's essentially falsified their fiscal projections in the budget heading into the last election is incredibly concerning. Alberta is losing it's low tax competitive advantage and the government seems not to care.

My point being that the Alberta PCs have governed much like a Liberal or NDP government would.

It's curious that you would bring up their sexual orientation though. One of the positive aspects of Canadian politics in contrast to our neighbours to the south is that we tend not to focus on personal lives of our politicians as long as they are completing their assigned duties to some degree of competence. I have no problem with you attacking these two men based on their record but I think it's in poor taste to comment on their sexuality - even if they are closeted gays that is their decision and it shouldn't have any bearing on their public life.
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per capita spending is now higher than Ontario, BC, Saskatchewan and Quebec
So is per capita income. Also, a huge chunk of that is capital (14%) which creates long term assets and improves either quality of life, or makes our economy more efficient.
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it is increasing when it should be slowing
This is not true for operational spending which has stayed steady with inflation plus population growth for the past few years, and if you think we can continue to grow in population without more roads, schools and hospitals I have a bridge to sell you.
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her government has done nothing in terms of healthcare reform and seem to think that throwing more money at a broken system will solve a structural problem.
The Redford government is reforming primary care by accelerating the team based care that has started in primary care networks by moving towards family care clinics, where instead of doctors acting as gate keepers to care, patients will be directed to the proper care faster, whether specialists, nurse practitioners, nutritionists, pharmacists, or if you need it a doctor. With longer hours and more pathways to care they will hopefully divert people currently using emergency rooms for non-urgent care needs. This with continued investment in continuing care should free up beds in hospitals, and debottleneck the system.
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The province should be investing in key infrastructure in our two metropolises as well as post secondary education
The province is. That country leading capital spending isn't enough shows you which way it shouldn't go.
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vast amounts of royalty revenue are instead directed towards wasteful program spending
What is wasteful? Having top ranked in the OECD schools? Allowing our disabled to live in dignity? There are issues like in any large organization, but please add up what you think is wasteful, and show it. Show that it is real spending now, not a plan to spend over 20 or 30 years (like carbon capture, or the oil sands technology research authority (which hasn't even started yet)) that if diverted elsewhere today would move the bar very little.
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When they cannot balance a budget with $90 oil, you know there is a problem.
Alberta last balanced the budget when natural gas prices and production were both much higher. The province is going through a structural shift which was predicted by organizations like the Canada West Foundation as early as 2005, with the oil sands being more central to the economy and the government. To encourage investment in the oil sands when oil was worth almost nothing in the mid 90s, the province back loaded royalties and partnered with the federal government to do the same with income taxes. Projects now reaching payout is why oil sands royalties have more than quadrupled in the past 5 years iirc. They will continue to grow even with stable oil prices because of how they are structured.

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the PC's essentially falsified their fiscal projections in the budget
Budget forecasts were based on the same private sector basket of predictions as past budgets have been. TD Bank even issued a note that called the forecasts reasonable for both commodity prices and income. That it is hard to predict prices shouldn't surprise anyone. Heck, last fiscal year the budget swung from a $2 billion deficit, to a $3 billion one, to a mere ~$20 million.

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Alberta is losing it's low tax competitive advantage
To whom?

If Alberta had any other provincial tax system, Albertans and Alberta businesses would pay at least $10.7 billion more in taxes each year.


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My point being that the Alberta PCs have governed much like a Liberal or NDP government would.
Both the Liberals and NDP campaigned on raising income tax rates in the past provincial election, and either drastically increasing the carbon levy with no cut in other taxes, or introducing a hard cap and trade.
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