YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 233

Bigtime · #**4641** Posted **Nov 12, 2012, 10:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'm sure it's only a matter of time before YVR sees its first regular service A380, I was just very surprised it was Munich.

Turns out my surprise was well founded.

Me too, it was surprising. However it would have been cool to see.

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Originally Posted by Gordon

I thought Lufthansa had discontinued it's service to Calgary so it would likely be a while before they would start a new service to Calgary.

Huh? Not sure what you are trying to say here. Lufthansa ceased their YYC operations with their last flight to FRA on February 4th of this year. There have been no plans to bring it back.

Here's the last flight leaving YYC:

Auf wiedersehen Lufthansa by BigtimeYYC, on Flickr

trofirhen · #**4642** Posted **Nov 12, 2012, 10:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'm sure it's only a matter of time before YVR sees its first regular service A380, I was just very surprised it was Munich.

Turns out my surprise was well founded.

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Where, in fact, do you think the first scheduled A380 service out of YVR might be routed, (putting aside for a moment the time frame)? Asia, would it not? If so, which would be the first probable destination to get the service?

ACT7 · #**4643** Posted **Nov 12, 2012, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by moosejaw

There are currently two gates capable but none fly there currently

Only YYZ and YUL regularly see A380s

YUL- Air France
YYZ -Emirates

YUL no longer sees the A380.

deasine · #**4644** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 12:25 AM**

YUL gets to AF services now as opposed to the A380. So YYZ is the only one. It'd be nice to see some TPAC A380 services, but I'm not sure which carrier would (1) have that much demand, and (2) have that many A380s available. SQ doesn't fly to YVR anymore, CX doesn't have any A380s, CA doesn't have any either, JL nope, PR nope, neither does MU, that leaves CZ, but they don't even have daily service yet... (and they only have a few A380s and are deploying them to the LAX and CDG flights). There was word of CZ introducing PEK-YVR service, but remember China doesn't allow inter-carrier competition... CZ's route to CDG from PEK was required to be code-shared with CA its competitor. So the chances of even seeing a TPAC A380 is slim...

twoNeurons · #**4645** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 12:34 AM**

I'm more excited to see the 787 come to YVR, personally.

Chikinlittle · #**4646** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 4:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

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Where, in fact, do you think the first scheduled A380 service out of YVR might be routed, (putting aside for a moment the time frame)? Asia, would it not? If so, which would be the first probable destination to get the service?

If there were an airline with an A380 on this route, I would suggest YVR-LHR would be a likely choice. It consistently has one of the highest load:seat ratios out of Vancouver. Otherwise, YVR-YYZ would also be a good choice too!

casper · #**4647** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 4:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chikinlittle

If there were an airline with an A380 on this route, I would suggest YVR-LHR would be a likely choice. It consistently has one of the highest load:seat ratios out of Vancouver. Otherwise, YVR-YYZ would also be a good choice too!

The YVR-YYZ route with A380 is not going to happen. That route can only be operated by a Canadian airline. Air Canada dropped the 747 several years ago and now operates the 777-300 as their large aircraft. They have some routes that could support a A380 but not enough year round routes to support a fleet of A380s.

On the YVR-LHR a British Airways A380 might work. Quantas from Australia to Vancouver with a A380 would be a possibility; however that is not a route they currently see enough business on to even attempt.

trofirhen · #**4648** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 7:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I'm more excited to see the 787 come to YVR, personally.

Same here. Then (perhaps) we'll see flights into India on AC 787s, and hopefullly, the deadlock over Gulf carriers (think Qatar, not Emirates) coming to YVR might be broken, too.

LeftCoaster · #**4649** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 6:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

The YVR-YYZ route with A380 is not going to happen. That route can only be operated by a Canadian airline. Air Canada dropped the 747 several years ago and now operates the 777-300 as their large aircraft. They have some routes that could support a A380 but not enough year round routes to support a fleet of A380s.

On the YVR-LHR a British Airways A380 might work. Quantas from Australia to Vancouver with a A380 would be a possibility; however that is not a route they currently see enough business on to even attempt.

Pretty surprised the business isn't there considering the amount of Aussies that come up here, the amount of Canadians that go down there and the deep business connections between Vancouver and Australia due to their shared mining focuses.

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Originally Posted by Chikinlittle

Otherwise, YVR-YYZ would also be a good choice too!

AC and WJ both would much rather fly multiple small planes over fewer larger flights. You'll notice the only time you fly YYZ to YVR on a 777 is when its a leg of a intercontinental flight.

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

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Where, in fact, do you think the first scheduled A380 service out of YVR might be routed, (putting aside for a moment the time frame)? Asia, would it not? If so, which would be the first probable destination to get the service?

All depends on who buys one first. Loads are there on several routes but I don't think any of the major airlines flying into Van have or have ordered A380s

moosejaw · #**4650** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 7:26 PM**

Only a handful of cities in North America currently hosts A380 or a regular schedule
New York JFK, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Washington, Montreal and what i thought was Toronto.

Surprisingly Atlanta, Chicago, and Boston don't host the A380.

Lufthansa briefly flew the A380 into Miami for a short time, but i imagine that the european economy put an end to that. Miami built one gate that has three jet bridges that can accommodate the A380. They spent $4 million to accommodate Lufthansa only to find out that they swapped it for a 747 months later. Eventually they would have had to make the change anyways.

Other than Europe, Miami doesn't have many transcontinental flights. Most of South America is hours away. Orlando (Mickey Mouse!) has a lot of European flights but they are mostly charter airlines that service Europe. BTW Orlando prob has the best format for an airport with it's satellite terminals connected by trains. Really convenient to get in and out. Tampa's Airport is designed the same way.

Bigtime · #**4651** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 7:40 PM**

I believe Korean is still planning to fly the A388 to ATL in the near future.

trofirhen · #**4652** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 7:44 PM**

Is it more probable that airllines using this the 787 will fly into Vancouver? Has not AC placed an order (or was that just speculation)?
Where would possible destinations for the Boeing 787 be, out of YVR?

LeftCoaster · #**4653** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 8:05 PM**

Like I said before, it really depends on who orders the planes/

Vancouver has more than enough capacity on several routes to handle an A380, but the airlines that happen to run those high capacity routes dont have any A380s.

I could see Singapore booting up their YVR service again and some day running an A380, but that would be several years off at best.

My best guess would be China Southern running an A380 to YVR with an outside chance of Korean or British Airways when they get theirs.

trofirhen · #**4654** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Like I said before, it really depends on who orders the planes/

Vancouver has more than enough capacity on several routes to handle an A380, but the airlines that happen to run those high capacity routes dont have any A380s.

I could see Singapore booting up their YVR service again and some day running an A380, but that would be several years off at best.

My best guess would be China Southern running an A380 to YVR with an outside chance of Korean or British Airways when they get theirs.

I thought I had heard talk of flights from YVR to Delhi with eventual AC 787s.

Bigtime · #**4655** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 8:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I thought I had heard talk of flights from YVR to Delhi with eventual AC 787s.

Isn't the biggest challenge with NA-India the yields? The India market is a notoriously price sensitive one, but if the 787 can deliver the promised economics it could make a flight like YVR-DEL viable.

trofirhen · #**4656** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Isn't the biggest challenge with NA-India the yields? The India market is a notoriously price sensitive one, but if the 787 can deliver the promised economics it could make a flight like YVR-DEL viable.

I thought that one of the main reasons the Gulf carriers; not only Emirates, but also Qatar Airways, were being kept out of YVR and YYC was so that they couldn't jump in first and siphon off the market to India.

I heard that AC was waiting to acquire 787 metal for just such a route as YVR-DEL. Maybe I'm wrong, but other than EK putting their cards on the table and revealing they were after YYZ daily, (not YVR nor YYC), Qatar Airways also mentioned - in a presss release, somewhere -- that they wanted not only YUL, but of course YYZ and also Western Canada (presumably YYC and YVR).

The whole "flights to India" thing seems cryptic to me.

Bigtime · #**4657** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 8:42 PM**

Everything I have heard is there is no money in long range flights to India. The typical consumer heading there is ridiculously price sensitive so yields on the flights will typically suffer. Unless you can make a bunch of money with the premium cabin and cargo.

trofirhen · #**4658** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Everything I have heard is there is no money in long range flights to India. The typical consumer heading there is ridiculously price sensitive so yields on the flights will typically suffer. Unless you can make a bunch of money with the premium cabin and cargo.

Hey I believe you totally. All that hubbub about keeping the Gulf carriers out, though, so they wouldn't get at the India market first ..... I wonder what that was all about? And the talk of AC flights over the pole to India using 787s ..... makes you wonder just what's going on ......

Gordon · #**4659** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 9:29 PM**

If AC has the choice the would likely run the service out of Toronto.

Does SFO or LAX have good service to India?

ACT7 · #**4660** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by moosejaw

Only a handful of cities in North America currently hosts A380 or a regular schedule
New York JFK, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Washington, Montreal and what i thought was Toronto.

Montreal no longer hosts the AF A380, so it's only the remaining above cities you mentioned, and if I'm not mistaken SFO is only seasonal with an LH A380, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.