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PROSTSHOCKER · #**181** Posted **Nov 12, 2012, 1:24 PM**

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You people in Jameson House should be glad to live right in the middle of the tall building cluster of the city! I mean, that's the reason why you chose to get a place in the literal centre of the tall quarter of a rapidly developing city right?

Or did you imagine that the whole city would stop growing to accommodate your feng sui? Lemme grab you a crisp maple syrup smelling Sir Robert Borden for you to wipe your no fat latte tears with. But be quick about it, wouldn't want the appearance of moisture in your apartment to throw off the balance of your living space finely tuned to a neo-modern arid aesthetic.

Regardless, pretty sure this will go ahead anyway, millionaire tears aside.

Build baby build

cornholio · #**182** Posted **Nov 12, 2012, 8:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

'When someone lives in the CBD for 2 years their concerns should hold no weight, and I mean none.'

That's very shortsighted. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and should be heard. This should be taken under consideration with everything else so that the final decision is objective, informed and the best decision that can be made.

People are heard but should not be listened to. I dont think it should be taken in to consideration because it needlessly complicates things and gives the impression of rights that should not exist.

I think sometimes you have to apply a little bit of black and white policies, either your concerns matter, or they don't. Simple, clear, fair.

Also remember I said so long as policies are reasonably being followed.

trofirhen · #**183** Posted **Nov 12, 2012, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by PROSTSHOCKER

A++ thread
You people in Jameson House should be glad to live right in the middle of the tall building cluster of the city! I mean, that's the reason why you chose to get a place in the literal centre of the tall quarter of a rapidly developing city right?

Or did you imagine that the whole city would stop growing to accommodate your feng sui? Lemme grab you a crisp maple syrup smelling Sir Robert Borden for you to wipe your no fat latte tears with. But be quick about it, wouldn't want the appearance of moisture in your apartment to throw off the balance of your living space finely tuned to a neo-modern arid aesthetic.

Regardless, pretty sure this will go ahead anyway, millionaire tears aside.

Build baby build

I think this is the post that a number of people would like to have posted, but did not have the audacity or courage to. Thank you for this. I think you just about said it all.

David · #**184** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 12:44 AM**

This honestly could be a candidate for Worst NIMBY ever. I mean seriously, come on.

Coldrsx · #**185** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 5:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by cornholio

People are heard but should not be listened to. I dont think it should be taken in to consideration because it needlessly complicates things and gives the impression of rights that should not exist.

I think sometimes you have to apply a little bit of black and white policies, either your concerns matter, or they don't. Simple, clear, fair.

Also remember I said so long as policies are reasonably being followed.

There are appeal boards, DOs, administration and Council to judge that... But everyone SHOLD be heard.

Spork · #**186** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 5:50 AM**

Well, if we want to avoid the potential negative impact of this NIMBYism, then WE need to be heard at all of those as well. I know that I will be.

Coldrsx · #**187** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 4:47 PM**

^exactly. NIMBYs are often the loudest voice, even if not the voice of reason, but they should be heard... and immediately after you should be as a counter.

cornholio · #**188** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

There are appeal boards, DOs, administration and Council to judge that... But everyone SHOLD be heard.

Maybe I am just playing the devils advocate....

But what you say is that someone in Prince George can submit a complaint and be heard and listened to? OK so how about someone from the city of Vancouver, some where in the south eastern corner? My point is where do you draw the line.

I am just saying maybe we need to rethink where we draw the line and make it more clear.

In my opinion the sentimental value a person holds in their property and neighborhood is very important, this takes time to develop. So established neighborhoods and people who have lived in them for long periods of times should have big say in everything that goes on that can effect this value.

The second most important thing is financial value, however this imo is very different from sentimental value. This is because if the cities policies are being reasonably followed then there should be no effect because measuring financial value should have taken all these possibilities in to consideration to begin with. In this case the people should have a big say in any drastic change in city policies, but little say in the minor details of what other property owners around them do.

Coldrsx · #**189** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 5:21 PM**

^I sit on the SDAB for the City of Edmonton and we generally require someone speaking for or against (or writing a letter) to be an 'affected party'. If you live 10km away and dont own a unit... are you affected, likely not. If you live adjacent or abutting, i'd say so.

s211 · #**190** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 5:38 PM**

Does that exclude advocates then?

Spork · #**191** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

^I sit on the SDAB for the City of Edmonton and we generally require someone speaking for or against (or writing a letter) to be an 'affected party'. If you live 10km away and dont own a unit... are you affected, likely not. If you live adjacent or abutting, i'd say so.

Would I be considered an "affected party" if I lived those 10km away but the proposal were for an office tower, which could reasonably affect my career advancement/salary, or does this only apply to non-commercial developments?

jlousa · #**192** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 6:11 PM**

Everyone has a right to be heard, some voices just carry more weight then others. A person that lives next door will have more influence then an indirectly affected, but concerned citizen, in a neighbouring suburb and rightfully so, but both will still be heard. Anyone that feels affected enough to invest their own time to speak deserves that.

Jimbo604 · #**193** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 8:32 PM**

Well, there you have it, listening to City of Vancouver council meeting - rezoning motion has passed with changes, Councilor Carr opposed. Minutes link available later.

trofirhen · #**194** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 9:27 PM**

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

je pense que je vais gerber si c'est le cas.

LeftCoaster · #**195** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 9:39 PM**

Good god you're dramatic.

Glad to hear it passed, hopefully the changes don't effect the FSR

jlousa · #**196** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 10:10 PM**

I'm sure FSR won't be affected and they will shift the tower as requested. Again cooler heads prevailed and the better proposal was passed.

trofirhen · #**197** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 10:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Good god you're dramatic.

excuse me; one of my character faults

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Glad to hear it passed, hopefully the changes don't effect the FSR

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Originally Posted by jlousa

I'm sure FSR won't be affected and they will shift the tower as requested. Again cooler heads prevailed and the better proposal was passed.

How precisely will the tower be "shifted?" Will this affect the overall design of the tower, or will the result be much the same as the original design?
Perhaps an eventual render of the "shifted" tower will be available in the near future.

SFUVancouver · #**198** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 11:21 PM**

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Vancouver Stock Exchange building expansion to move ahead

City council voted Tuesday to approve a rezoning application

By Darah Hansen, Vancouver Sun November 13, 2012 3:03 PM

VANCOUVER -- Global financial giant Credit Suisse will move ahead with plans to construct a 30-storey office tower over top the historic Vancouver Stock Exchange building after city council voted Tuesday to approve a rezoning application that will more than double the maximum density on the site.

The Exchange, worth an estimated $200 million, will add 369,000 square feet of premium office space to the downtown core and employ an estimated 400 people during construction.

City staff had earlier recommended council approve the application, reasoning that it will contribute to Vancouver's job space, economic development, heritage and sustainability objectives.

The project will incorporate the former stock exchange building at 475 Howe St. into the new structure, restoring both the exterior and interior of the 83-year-old building.

Meanwhile, residents of Jameson House, a commercial and residential tower at 838 West Hastings, had hoped council would deny the rezoning on the grounds the proposed project will block natural light and infringe on the privacy of dozens of homeowners living in southeast-facing units.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Van...e+ahead/7542502/story.html#ixzz2C9E9DSk9

Sounds like a 4-year timeline from today's rezoning approval to completion.

Hed Kandi · #**199** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 11:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Good god you're dramatic.

Glad to hear it passed, hopefully the changes don't effect the FSR

Jimbo604 · #**200** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 4:41 AM**

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