YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 231

trofirhen · #**4601** Posted **Nov 3, 2012, 8:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gordon

Does anyone have any updates on the Pier A\B Renos.

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

No, but I would love to know too.

What I do know is that Gate A1 has been removed and replaced with a new location for the Plaza Premium Lounge. So what is to become of the old location, I am unsure. And where will A1 be located now?

Also, bits and pieces of the B side has hoarding up, but again, I am unsure of what is happening there.

I asked the very same thing a while back, and while I don't know the timeline of the reno completions, I do know that this will be a major operations centre for Westjet flights. (Or maybe everybody already knew that?)

Valley_Refugee · #**4602** Posted **Nov 3, 2012, 10:01 PM**

Lufthansa didn't get to be one of the world's most successful airlines by happenstance. They obviously wouldn't be attempting the market if they didn't think they could make a decent go of it for at least the summer. They have done market research, I'm sure. Summer seasonal routes are also more geared at tourists, the German variety of which love to travel far abroad and love coming to Canada.

I'm not sure if this is relevant to this particular route, but AC and LH have a longstanding transatlantic joint venture as well.

deasine · #**4603** Posted **Nov 3, 2012, 11:07 PM**

Actually one reason why LH may be bringing back the YVR-MUC route is because it has focused a lot more in making MUC a hub. FRA has been imposing a lot more aerospace restrictions, which is making LH rethink its strategy.

Johnny Aussie · #**4604** Posted **Nov 4, 2012, 11:25 PM**

Sorry duplicated posting!

Johnny Aussie · #**4605** Posted **Nov 4, 2012, 11:40 PM**

Yes I am assuming the YVR-MUC launch is riding along with LH's beefing up MUC. I wonder if anything will happen in Berlin too when they finally get BER finally opened!

Johnny Aussie · #**4606** Posted **Nov 4, 2012, 11:41 PM**

I still cannot believe that YVR has not even had a press release about the new LH Munich route. Perhaps because not a new airline or actually a relaunch. But is this not a significant route launch? Talk about nonchalant.

ACT7 · #**4607** Posted **Nov 4, 2012, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes I am assuming the YVR-MUC launch is riding along with LH's beefing up MUC. I wonder if anything will happen in Berlin too when they finally get BER finally opened!

I don't think in this particular case it has anything to do with refocusing LH's hub on Munich - this is summer seasonal after all and I don't expect this to eat into the existing FRA route at all. It's a tourist run for now, but if it turn into something more it may start to cannibalize FRA more than one would expect. Hopefully that's not the case though.

casper · #**4608** Posted **Nov 5, 2012, 3:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by ACT7

I don't think in this particular case it has anything to do with refocusing LH's hub on Munich - this is summer seasonal after all and I don't expect this to eat into the existing FRA route at all. It's a tourist run for now, but if it turn into something more it may start to cannibalize FRA more than one would expect. Hopefully that's not the case though.

I regularly transfer through FRA and sometimes Munich via the Air Canada Toronto-Munich flight when going to other parts of Europe. For LH they are both major transfer hubs. Personally I prefer Munich as it is an easier airport to make connections at. I would view it simply as a move to add more capacity as I suspect the major of passengers on both the FRA and Munich flight are connecting to somewhere else and don't care that much which airport they are using.

SpongeG · #**4609** Posted **Nov 5, 2012, 9:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Actually one reason why LH may be bringing back the YVR-MUC route is because it has focused a lot more in making MUC a hub. FRA has been imposing a lot more aerospace restrictions, which is making LH rethink its strategy.

FRA has banned flights between is it 10 pm and 6 am or 2am and 6 am? as well as putting a cap on the number of take offs and landings allowed in a day

i wonder if activists will try for the same thing here

Valley_Refugee · #**4610** Posted **Nov 6, 2012, 2:44 AM**

At least the airport has no possibility for NIMBYs on its west side...

Jebby · #**4611** Posted **Nov 6, 2012, 12:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes I am assuming the YVR-MUC launch is riding along with LH's beefing up MUC. I wonder if anything will happen in Berlin too when they finally get BER finally opened!

If it ever opens! :p

It's delayed till October 2013 now...

trofirhen · #**4612** Posted **Nov 6, 2012, 1:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jebby

If it ever opens! :p

It's delayed till October 2013 now...

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Bigtime · #**4613** Posted **Nov 6, 2012, 2:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Oh no! A year from now! But ... if they inaugurate it in the off-season, perhaps it's an indication of a year-round service .....

I think you are misinterpreting what Jebby was saying. He wasn't talking about YVR-MUC launching in October 2013, just mentioning that the new Berlin airport is further delayed again until that point.

cyeg66 · #**4614** Posted **Nov 6, 2012, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

I think you are misinterpreting what Jebby was saying. He wasn't talking about YVR-MUC launching in October 2013, just mentioning that the new Berlin airport is further delayed again until that point.

What a boondoggle. Not to hijack this thread but pundits say that were the YYC expansion to become delayed, it would cost the airport $1M per day in cost overruns. By that measure, how much is former West Germany

footing the bill on that big P.O.S.? Tegel really is not a suitable expansion site so I understand that they had no choice to consolidate at a suitable airfield (Schonefeld) but my goodness, what mismanagement. Overruns in the billions, clearly. Their safety systems are the latest culprits for the delay, among many others.

Sorry for the

As you were....

MalcolmTucker · #**4615** Posted **Nov 6, 2012, 4:04 PM**

The new Berlin Airport is beautiful! Hopefully worth the wait. I wonder about O&D demand from that airport beyond the leisure class however, and because of that I doubt any service except charters into western canada for a long time.

trofirhen · #**4616** Posted **Nov 6, 2012, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

I think you are misinterpreting what Jebby was saying. He wasn't talking about YVR-MUC launching in October 2013, just mentioning that the new Berlin airport is further delayed again until that point.

Yes. Excuse me.
In fact, I was just looking at the plans for the new Berlin "Brandenburg" Airport, and it sems it will be only a "focus city" for LH, not a hub like FRA or MUC. However, there are, of course, a lot of planned routes from it.

deasine · #**4617** Posted **Nov 7, 2012, 6:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes. Excuse me.
In fact, I was just looking at the plans for the new Berlin "Brandenburg" Airport, and it sems it will be only a "focus city" for LH, not a hub like FRA or MUC. However, there are, of course, a lot of planned routes from it.

And that was because of the extra capacity available for all airlines, which allows LH to compete with AB (which is becoming an increasing threat being in the oneworld alliance working with AA, its business relationship with EY [and of course as everyone knows, LH hates gulf-state carriers], as well as a recent codeshare with AF and KL).

Hourglass · #**4618** Posted **Nov 7, 2012, 7:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes. Excuse me.
In fact, I was just looking at the plans for the new Berlin "Brandenburg" Airport, and it sems it will be only a "focus city" for LH, not a hub like FRA or MUC. However, there are, of course, a lot of planned routes from it.

Don't just think in terms of LH, Trof. The new Berlin airport is potentially a significant opportunity for Air Berlin to set-up a hub (assuming they don't go bust...), providing an alternative to Star Alliance.

deasine · #**4619** Posted **Nov 7, 2012, 7:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

Don't just think in terms of LH, Trof. Berlin is potentially a significant opportunity for Air Berlin to set-up a hub (assuming they don't go bust...).

Berlin is their hub...

Hourglass · #**4620** Posted **Nov 7, 2012, 7:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Berlin is their hub...

Yeah, maybe more accurate to say "expand" rather than "set-up".