Edmonton Construction 11 (November 2011)

[s4.audios]

Originally Posted by 240glt

So when are you moving in to the Quarters ? Are you going to help drive the tranformation, or sit on the sidelines until it is done for you ?

The Jasper east proposal is part of a TOD plan for the area, It's like apples and oranges vis-a-vis downtown projects. I'd also argue that east Jasper is a much nicer place to live at the current time that east side of downtown. The neighborhood that development is located in has an average home value of $451k.. all things being equal, Jasper east is a far more desireable location for a TOD than say, Century Park.

Interestingly enough, I've received word from the city that we are to meet re: upgrades to the East Jasper area. There are some big things coming down the pipe.

And the Millwoods to downtown low floor transit that is to come is not a TOD plan for the quarters? It comes down to self preference rather than which is better I guess. You don't know me personally to make a fair inquiry whether I am helping transform the area. I just graduated with a Commerce degree this past April and only started planning my savings for a down payment. When I am in the position to get a place, downtown and quarters will definitely be my first choices.

As for the Coast, seems like good news to me. Gives way for more new hotels.

[240glt]

Originally Posted by s4.audios

And the Millwoods to downtown low floor transit that is to come is not a TOD plan for the quarters?

No, actually. Don't believe it is.

It comes down to self preference rather than which is better I guess.

Well then you'd better refrain from calling certain areas "crap" if it's subjective, as you state.

You don't know me personally to make a fair inquiry whether I am helping transform the area.

Well... are you ?

[CMD UW]

Originally Posted by Hallsy's Toupee

Bad news for long-term business travelers. Worse, I think this demonstrates less demand for downtown hotel space.

Not really. Occupancy rates for our downtown hotels is quite high. The Coast Suites is more of a long term stay hotel.

[Coldrsx]

'Originally Posted by s4.audios
And the Millwoods to downtown low floor transit that is to come is not a TOD plan for the quarters?
No, actually. Don't believe it is.'

Correct

[Coldrsx]

Suburban-style front garages coming to mature Edmonton neighbourhoods?

When do you think a developer should be able to build a large, front double-garage extending several metres out from the front of a house in a mature neighbourhood?

Should that decision be up to the city’s development officer? Or should the neighbours have a say?

Bylaw changes to the Mature Neighbourhood Overlay that would allow more of these garages to be built are coming before city councillors next week Monday. The Edmonton Federation of Community Leagues is objecting, worried these new regulations are not about increasing density, they are about allowing “monster homes,” says Bev Zubot, who follows planning for the federation.

Here’s a quote from an alert sent out to all community leagues:

The front garage regulations limiting the size and protrusion of front garages have been eliminated, and it is left to the City’s Development Officer to determine whether the proposed front garage is characteristic of the block. The changes to Section 7 of the MNO could be problematic because some suburban-style houses with large, protruding attached front garages had begun to be built in older neighbourhoods before the MNO came into effect, thus the City could determine there is precedent for them. If the City’s Development Officer determines that a precedent has been set, the neighbours and the Community League will not be notified because no rules will have been varied- the decision on what is characteristic of the block is left to the judgment of the Development Officer.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/10...oming-to-mature-edmonton-neighbourhoods/

[Coldrsx]

2011 Census

Edmonton


Downtown

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http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/2011-census/index.html

[s4.audios]

240 just get off my case; yes my comment was subjective I am fully aware of that. But I am free to call it whatever I like, it's based on my own experience with the area. I take it you live in or near there so you'd be more informed. I have nothing against you making your own opinions, but I suggest you refrain from discouraging my posts.

No, I have not done anything to make any sort of impact towards the development of the quarters. I don't understand why that has anything to do with my comment. If I took more interest in the area maybe I will in the future. But i stand by my own subjective opinion that the topic at had would be nicer in the quarters.

[Gary1]

I personally think it is great that we have different opinions on this site as it stimulates conversation, but rather or not we agree with the opinion are not we need to respect the other person as having the right to express his or her opinion.

[240glt]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Suburban-style front garages coming to mature Edmonton neighbourhoods?

When do you think a developer should be able to build a large, front double-garage extending several metres out from the front of a house in a mature neighbourhood?

Should that decision be up to the city’s development officer? Or should the neighbours have a say?

Bylaw changes to the Mature Neighbourhood Overlay that would allow more of these garages to be built are coming before city councillors next week Monday. The Edmonton Federation of Community Leagues is objecting, worried these new regulations are not about increasing density, they are about allowing “monster homes,” says Bev Zubot, who follows planning for the federation.

Here’s a quote from an alert sent out to all community leagues:

The front garage regulations limiting the size and protrusion of front garages have been eliminated, and it is left to the City’s Development Officer to determine whether the proposed front garage is characteristic of the block. The changes to Section 7 of the MNO could be problematic because some suburban-style houses with large, protruding attached front garages had begun to be built in older neighbourhoods before the MNO came into effect, thus the City could determine there is precedent for them. If the City’s Development Officer determines that a precedent has been set, the neighbours and the Community League will not be notified because no rules will have been varied- the decision on what is characteristic of the block is left to the judgment of the Development Officer.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/10...oming-to-mature-edmonton-neighbourhoods/

We've been working on this one... Our opinion is that the current situation where front drives are not allowed under the MNO is what should be upheld. This has been forwarded on to council, EFCL and P & D.

Any place where there is a rear lane should not have a front drive IMO

[Coldrsx]

^exactly! Lots of amendments/changes proposed for lower density zoning and the MNO.

[240glt]

Originally Posted by s4.audios

240 just get off my case; yes my comment was subjective I am fully aware of that. But I am free to call it whatever I like, it's based on my own experience with the area. I take it you live in or near there so you'd be more informed. I have nothing against you making your own opinions, but I suggest you refrain from discouraging my posts.

No, I have not done anything to make any sort of impact towards the development of the quarters. I don't understand why that has anything to do with my comment. If I took more interest in the area maybe I will in the future. But i stand by my own subjective opinion that the topic at had would be nicer in the quarters.

You'll forgive me for being a bit short with you... Understand that as someone who's actually worked really hard over the past eight years on community development in the Alberta Avenue/Parkdale/Cromdale area, I take offense to the off-hand and completely false stereotypes applied to my area... It still happens, although not nearly as much as it used to... and I expect a higher level of discourse from the people on this site given why most of us are here. I won't discourage yoyu from posting, but I will ot refrain for standing up for my neighborhood.... just as most on this site stand up for theirs. So... just watch what you say and we'll all get along just fine, k?

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by 240glt

We've been working on this one... Our opinion is that the current situation where front drives are not allowed under the MNO is what should be upheld. This has been forwarded on to council, EFCL and P & D.

Any place where there is a rear lane should not have a front drive IMO

We removed our front drive last year. By hand too. Now just levelling it out for drainage purposes. We find loading from the street much more easier and efficient than trying to load from the driveway.

[240glt]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

^exactly! Lots of amendments/changes proposed for lower density zoning and the MNO.

I read the whole document a few weeks ago and had a chat with Bev... there's some very "wordy" ammendments to the MNO that I have difficulty wrapping my head around. THe bottom line for us, is that one of the things that makes our neighborhoods and streets so great are the tree lined streets and the character of the houses. A few front attached garage houses were built in our area before the MNO, and really they are totally not in character with the rest of the development on those streets.

[Airboy]

On my way home from the office so I could be sick in peace and quiet. Passed by the Glenora Skline project and the Crane is being assembled.
Also the 137ave connector is now complete and open in the NW.

But to top it off as I drove into my cresent my neighbor was having a bad day.

There are other photos on my Flickr link.http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtaylorsmith/

[ue]

S4.audios, don't mind 240, he can be a bit grouchy sometimes, but I think he is, like his post says, protective and biased about his neighbourhood because he wants others to see the good and look past the stereotypes. There is a bit of a herd mentality sometimes on SSP (particularly in the Edmonton section) that you should get used to. Remember - everyone here is an expert in everything and if you say something a bit wrong or different from their perspective, expect a snobbish and passive-aggressive attitude. I know some don't mean to be like this and in the end we're all here to promote a better Edmonton, so at least we've all got that in common.

Originally Posted by 240glt

You'll forgive me for being a bit short with you... Understand that as someone who's actually worked really hard over the past eight years on community development in the Alberta Avenue/Parkdale/Cromdale area, I take offense to the off-hand and completely false stereotypes applied to my area... It still happens, although not nearly as much as it used to... and I expect a higher level of discourse from the people on this site given why most of us are here. I won't discourage yoyu from posting, but I will ot refrain for standing up for my neighborhood.... just as most on this site stand up for theirs. So... just watch what you say and we'll all get along just fine, k?

Jasper/82 (the area s4.audios was less enthused about) isn't even apart of The Ave/Cromdale/Parkdale. It nudges against Cromdale, but it is apart of Boyle St, the same neighbourhood the Quarters is in, albeit the opposite end. Relax.

[240glt]

^ I'll ignore the rest of your post, but you are wrong... Cromdale neighborhood runs west to 84th st, from 109th ave to the river valley. The proposed development is in Cromdale.

[rapid_business]

Originally Posted by Airboy

On my way home from the office so I could be sick in peace and quiet. Passed by the Glenora Skline project and the Crane is being assembled.
Also the 137ave connector is now complete and open in the NW.

But to top it off as I drove into my cresent my neighbor was having a bad day.

There are other photos on my Flickr link.http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtaylorsmith/

I heard aspects of this project may be changing with the City now requiring ROW for the WLRT.

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by 240glt

^ I'll ignore the rest of your post, but you are wrong... Cromdale neighborhood runs west to 84th st, from 109th ave to the river valley. The proposed development is in Cromdale.

[Xelebes]

Guys, cut it out.

[s4.audios]

Front attached garages are only nice if all the houses are alike, and in a cul-de-sac. They don't look nice in grid style neighborhoods even if all the houses on the block are like that. Street front presence is uninviting; unless, like a cul-de-sac, you feel invited when you enter the block IMO.

As for front drives not allowed, does this include houses with a detached garage in the back but a driveway from the front leading to it? I don't think there is anything bad about that. Its the presence of a big garage door right up front that I don't see fit.