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Old Posted Oct 20, 2012, 5:03 PM
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Wasn't The Grand supposed to have a Mandarin Oriental hotel?
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Wasn't The Grand supposed to have a Mandarin Oriental hotel?
Yeah but who knows when that's going to happen. Wilshire Grand is actually moving forward. I like both hotel chains and think both will add a lot of new cache to Downtown LA. But Mandarin Oriental has never opened in LA before, and it could be a big statement to have them debut in LA in Downtown grabbing attention from even other luxury industries.
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Yeah but who knows when that's going to happen. Wilshire Grand is actually moving forward. I like both hotel chains and think both will add a lot of new cache to Downtown LA. But Mandarin Oriental has never opened in LA before, and it could be a big statement to have them debut in LA in Downtown grabbing attention from even other luxury industries.
How about this: A Mandarin Oriental at The Grand (whenever that happens), Lê Meridian at the Wilshire Grand, and a W in South Park? That all can happen and I'm all for it.

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Dont forget about City West! I would like to see a hood "kickstarter" like a Kimpton or could you imagine a W (ground-up) somewhere on Wilshire or Bixel? I think a Le Meridien (ground up or adapt reuse w modern addition) across from MacAurthur Park along Wilshire would somehow bring back some of the old school 30's/40s sophistication Wilshire was known for before its downward spiral in that area.

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Dont forget about City West! I would like to see a hood "kickstarter" like a Kimpton or could you imagine a W (ground-up) somewhere on Wilshire or Bixel? I think a Le Meridien (ground up or adapt reuse w modern addition) across from MacAurthur Park along Wilshire would somehow bring back some of the old school 30's/40s sophistication Wilshire was known for before its downward spiral in that area.
Maybe so, but Downtown is much farther gentrified then City West. It would never happen.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2012, 8:22 PM
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Dont forget about City West! I would like to see a hood "kickstarter" like a Kimpton or could you imagine a W (ground-up) somewhere on Wilshire or Bixel? I think a Le Meridien (ground up or adapt reuse w modern addition) across from MacAurthur Park along Wilshire would somehow bring back some of the old school 30's/40s sophistication Wilshire was known for before its downward spiral in that area.
I live in Westlake. There is no way in the world this area would be able to support a W Hotel.
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I don't think a Mandarin Oriental hotel would want 900 hotel rooms, so it wouldn't be the right choice for Wilshire Grand. The tower will have 40 stories of hotel rooms, it's gonna take a middle-road hotel to fill up 900 rooms. I think the most rooms a Mandarin Oriental hotel has is ~400 rooms in Las Vegas.
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P.S., I was told Turner Construction was awarded the contract for Wilshire Grand new construction. At the moment, Turner is also the contractor for demolition. The source confirmed the tower will have a podium with ballroom spaces and retail, 20 stories of office, and 40+ stories of hotel rooms. It will be the 2nd tallest tower in Downtown LA. Turner has constructed 60% of all of the towers in Downtown, including the U.S. Bank Tower.
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P.S., I was told Turner Construction was awarded the contract for Wilshire Grand new construction. At the moment, Turner is also the contractor for demolition. The source confirmed the tower will have a podium with ballroom spaces and retail, 20 stories of office, and 40+ stories of hotel rooms. It will be the 2nd tallest tower in Downtown LA. Turner has constructed 60% of all of the towers in Downtown, including the U.S. Bank Tower.

Le Meridian is the proposal for the hotel at the old Wilshire Grand. The reason the W will not be downtown anytime soon, is because given the size, and immature downtown luxury market of this presumed Le Meridian, it will surely have an Area of Protection on other Starwood luxury brands for some amount of years.
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I love the idea of all three of these hotels coming to downtown, especially Virgin.

I also would like to see the Tryp by Wyndham brand open in downtown. From their website:

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TRYP by Wyndham is a select-service urban hotel brand with over 90 hotels in many of the most exciting cities across Europe and South America, like Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Berlin, Lisbon, Frankfurt, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo and Montevideo.

Designed to suit those with a penchant for travel and new experiences, we offer a one-of-a-kind experience that encourages you to get out and enjoy the city, socialize and live life to the fullest.

TRYP offers several specialty guest room types, like Family Rooms with bunk beds for young families traveling with children, and Fitness Rooms complete with exercise equipment, for travelers who like to work out when on the road.
http://www.tryphotels.com

It’s a perfect fit for downtown IMO. They just opened in NYC and its pretty slick. Most Tryp hotels are architecturally pleasing from what I’ve seen too.
     
     
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P.S., I was told Turner Construction was awarded the contract for Wilshire Grand new construction. At the moment, Turner is also the contractor for demolition. The source confirmed the tower will have a podium with ballroom spaces and retail, 20 stories of office, and 40+ stories of hotel rooms. It will be the 2nd tallest tower in Downtown LA. Turner has constructed 60% of all of the towers in Downtown, including the U.S. Bank Tower.
Thanks for the info.

It looked like it passed the Library Tower in the renders, at least by the spire. I guess not.
     
     
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2nd tallest ain't nothing to sneeze at but it really really looked like this would be a new tallest. If it really is a large podium + 20 office + 40 hotel then it will be close to 300m (accounting for several mechanical floors, roof equipment, etc). I also recall a spire but maybe that's gone, or maybe it's not really a 'spire' so it doesn't count? Or maybe Boycott's source was just guesstimating the height?
     
     
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Reading few the past few pages....



Wow. Heavens forbid BROWN people step into a Target!

Don't tell me they weren't speaking english, I just wouldn't be able to handle that!


Just wow.
Speaking of Target...



VERY busy this afternoon. There were long lines at every single register.

I'd also say the vast majority of customers arrived via automobile, based on the foot traffic I saw walking back to the parking structure. Would haved loved to see people shuttling in on the trains instead, but it's really hard to be mad about people actually choosing to go to downtown LA for their Saturday shopping.
     
     
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I was busy this weekend so no photo updates on the sites under construction, but look at it this way, there will be more changes on the sites! Although I do plan to go next Saturday to test out the new Iphone 5 camera

Anyone pass by 8th & Hope to see if they've begun tearing up the concrete?
     
     
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I was busy this weekend so no photo updates on the sites under construction, but look at it this way, there will be more changes on the sites! Although I do plan to go next Saturday to test out the new Iphone 5 camera

Anyone pass by 8th & Hope to see if they've begun tearing up the concrete?
Nothing new with 8th and Hope as of yesterday.

This week's Downtown News has a very informative article about the Wilshire Grand demolition.

The important details: Starting next month, heavy machinery will begin the process of dismantling the building floor by floor. The schedule has the demolition process reaching ground level by late Spring of 2013, with underground excavation to be completed late in Summer. The foundation for the new building will be poured near the end of 2013, with the hotel intended to open in Fall of 2016.
     
     
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Citywatch. The broken record.
threehundred, speaking of "broken records", I've yet to see some new devlpt or proposal in dt that doesn't end up being grumbled about here. Constant complaints about a new proposal or devlpt being too short, being too burban, having too much parking, catering to ppl with cars, lacking stores on the 1st floor, having stucco instead of granite, having bad design. A calculator would be needed to add up all the times in over 5 yrs that the vegasy euro apt bldgs have gotten a:

I have a hunch that far more ppl who aren't into forums like this barely notice or are as bothered by....or couldn't care less about....such issues compared with all the ppl who respond to the hood as my friend did several wks ago, and many others who've I been with in dt through the yrs.

ppl in this thread may groan about new projs or devlpt as described above, yet they can't figure out why projs like the grand wilshire are struggling to move forward? They believe that doing this....



....will somehow, like magic, make the problems of dtla vanish & allow the hood to turn into a wonderland? That the grand wilshire will have to be built even faster & made even larger cuz demand is greater. That other devlprs will want to follow in the footsteps of the owner of the grand wilshire cuz the need is there.

I wish it were that easy.

I don't think sticking one's head in the ground & pretending to be an ostrich is going to change things like this.....

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The bright spot in Los Angeles County continued to be the neighborhoods of Santa Monica, Venice and Playa Vista, where growing technology and entertainment companies are snapping up space, undeterred by rising rents.

As one travels east, though, the picture grows more spotty for landlords.

"It's like a wave heading out from Santa Monica," broker Josh Wrobel said. "Only a small bit of water hits downtown L.A."

Office vacancy in Los Angeles County was 18.7% in the third quarter, compared with 19% a year earlier, according to real estate brokerage Cushman & Wakefield. Average rent rose 3 cents to $2.50 per square foot per month.

Vacancy is rising downtown, however, even though the neighborhood is enjoying a sustained renaissance. Thousands of new residents who arrived in the last decade have a growing number of restaurants, bars and stores to patronize, and downtown is a regional destination for entertainment such as professional sports and musical performances.

The challenge for many downtown office landlords is that their gleaming high-rises were created to please the tastes of conservative white-collar corporations. The companies most in need of more space, however, are made up of creative types who find such office buildings too square to bear.

Downtown vacancy is 20.5%, up from 18.3% in the third quarter of last year. Landlords of a handful of prime buildings have vacancy closer to 10%, though, and are starting to demand higher rents. As a result, average rent was up 6 cents to $2.91 per square foot.

The news is better for landlords in Orange County, where office buildings near John Wayne Airport are filling up — third-quarter vacancy fell 4 percentage points to about 16% from the same period a year earlier.
     
     
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I still believe that the wilshire grand will be LA's tallest even without the spire it will surpass the US Bank tower, if it has the same exact floor heights as the US Bant it will seem, and will be taller than the USBT because of the fin at the top, i am almost positive that the wilshire grand will have a higher floor height of about 4.44 meters rather than 4.09 of the US Bank, so therefore i think with the spire it will reach 1,250 ft of altitude.
     
     
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Also, you do realize the "homeless problem" is only because Los Angeles has the best weather in the world for a world-class city.
laofanaheim, dtla didn't exactly have a sparkling reputation even before homelessness became so extreme. That's why the thing that stood out the most to me in the vid I posted of san pedro st looking north to little tokyo is not so much the encampments of street ppl but the parking lots & old bldgs that they're sitting in front of. It's things like the latter that put a damper on most ppl's impression of dt, far more than whether a proj won't win the Pritzker prize for architecture, or meet jane jacob's idea of good urban planning. but, of course, things are made worse by the type of poverty in the hood that makes ppl think of calcutta or haiti.

some ppl don't mind that, or think it even makes the hood very exclusive in an odd hipster sort of way. But I think way more ppl do notice things like that, feel both & about that, & are the reasons lots more ppl in LA are favoring hoods near Samo or elsewhere instead of dtla.

And then some forumers can't figure out why projs like the grand wilshire have a heck of a time in going forward? They instead spend all their time daydreaming about new devlpt in dt that will be bigger & taller?
     
     
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Speaking of Target...

VERY busy this afternoon. There were long lines at every single register.

I'd also say the vast majority of customers arrived via automobile, based on the foot traffic I saw walking back to the parking structure. Would haved loved to see people shuttling in on the trains instead, but it's really hard to be mad about people actually choosing to go to downtown LA for their Saturday shopping.
ty for that pic & post. Personal observations about dt always are the most helpful & interesting to me.

the success of stores like ralphs & the new target will help give confidence to other retailers to enter the hood. however, I do understand some ppl having doubts about the ability of more pricey stores to succeed in dt. So whether the hood will ever have the ability to support a nordstroms or certainly a bloomingdales, much less make the existing macys....which someone in a yelp review said was described by a sales clerk who helped her as being a 'ghetto' macys....less of a weak link, is open to question.
     
     
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