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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 12:51 AM
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Isn't it 1100 units? Multiply that by 7, that's 7700 units, aprox. 11 000 people.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 10:14 AM
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Love to see the FSRs required to get 4000 units in only 20% of the golf course. Little mountain is pulling teeth to get 1800units in on a space in similar size to 20% of a golf course. Must be Vision math at work again, I think you'd be hard pressed to get 4000 units on the whole course.
Yeah I was skeptical about what I posted. I read in the article that the 20% of the golf course could house up to 7100 people, so I'd guess that would be about 4000 units (majority being 1-1.5 bedrooms). It does seem way too high, though. Still would be amazing to see that sort of density, but that's still 35+ years out for Vancouver.
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What not develop that giant Cambie St. Boulevard?
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 6:36 PM
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What not develop that giant Cambie St. Boulevard?
But it's a heritage boulevard! It would destroy so much of the city's history. And those trees, do you hate the earth?!
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 7:57 PM
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What not develop that giant Cambie St. Boulevard?
Give Moonbeam, Meggs, & Gordo Price some time...I'm sure we're only a few months away from a "study" that asks the question "does the city really need boulevards anymore... (you know the same way they did for the viaducts, taller buildings, large signage, a proper square, or anything else that doesn't conform to their Swiss alpine village views of what makes up a city etc etc.)
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 8:16 PM
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Well we could get rid of the boulevard now that the city is toying with the idea of renaming Grandview Hwy either Grandview Ave or Grandview Blvd, I kid you not.

I'd like to think the Langara golf course idea has been shelved as they stopped talking about it, guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2012, 6:48 PM
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Well we could get rid of the boulevard now that the city is toying with the idea of renaming Grandview Hwy either Grandview Ave or Grandview Blvd, I kid you not.
Following in the steps of Surrey....
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2012, 2:02 AM
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I really wish city council would take up the Langara Golf Course proposal. Adding 4,000 housing units there would do wonders for the corridor, not to mention if they demand something like 10% social housing and 15% rentals that would really be a great addition to the city's affordable housing stock.

Those that say it would be a huge loss of green space are exaggerating. The proposal is for only 20% of the golf course, and there are are 3 large parks within walking distance: Winona Park immediately south, Cambie Park across the street to the west, and Tisdall Park immediately north-west of the site. Not to mention Sunset park a few blocks east of the golf course, and Colombia park one station to the north. The city would also most probably demand some green and public spaces in the new development.
regardless of the "good" anyone thinks this would create it would set a horrible precedent that would stick for ever. No park should ever be carved up and sold, I could understand situations where some land swaps might work though without setting this sort of precedence. That means that the total size of the park must remain the same or larger, and the functionality of the park must be undamged. I actually think this policy should apply to roads and rights of way as well, and that is why that thin street proposal was complete bs (imo it was just a distraction aqnd was never ment to go through, as you saw something like less then a dozen people had the chance to complain and they quickly got rid of it and highlighted how they listen to peoples concerns and opinions...bs). If you think a neighbourhood street is too wide or not needed then narrow it and widen the planted median or remove it and turn it in to parkspace with a right of way for pedestrians. Obviously land swaps in many situations would make sense but that should still mean no net loss in the area.

Anyways to ghet to the point of my rant here it is.

What I would support is the assembly of single family homes on the east side of the golf coarse and then doing a land swap with the west Cambie side. So in essence shifting the park east by a block and developing the stretch along Cambie. For a developer this would make finacial sense and for the city it would also make sense as it would result in densification along main arterial streets and more housing. As for the residents in the area you would either be one who sold for a profit or one whos house ends up a bloick closer to a major city park. You can set some rules in place for such a transition, so for every block assembled on the east side you would release a equal block on the Cambie side for redevelopment, swap the land and buldoze the single family neighbourhood and turn it in to park space.

*also noticed that on google maps the golf course is no longer green liek it was before (all other golf courses are green like any park). I found this interesting as it means that someone contacted google for the change, and that means that someone actually wants this to happen and will continue to push for this (atleast thats what it "looks" like it could be).
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2012, 6:14 PM
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Golf courses are aesthetically pleasing, but they can't be considered parks in the traditional sense. They typically use higher densities of pesticides and fertilizers than agricultural lands, and are a huge waste of water as well. If the land should be left as park space, then native trees should be planted in much of the fairway space, and left to return to a more natural state. Otherwise, I don't see developing some of the golf course as a problem.

I will mention I used to golf 5 to 6 days a week in the summer, so I understand how golfers will think I'm crazy. I love the game, but it's a serious environmental issue.
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2012, 6:46 PM
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I trust that 4000 units ~6000-7000 residents would use a heck of a lot more water year round then 20% of a golf course consumes. And I say this as someone that has only played 5-6 rounds in his lifetime.
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I trust that 4000 units ~6000-7000 residents would use a heck of a lot more water year round then 20% of a golf course consumes.
Those 6000-7000 people are going to use water regardless of where they live.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2012, 12:21 AM
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*also noticed that on google maps the golf course is no longer green liek it was before (all other golf courses are green like any park). I found this interesting as it means that someone contacted google for the change, and that means that someone actually wants this to happen and will continue to push for this (atleast thats what it "looks" like it could be).
Interesting. Though anyone can submit things to google via Google mapmaker.
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Those 6000-7000 people are going to use water regardless of where they live.
Bingo. Population growth is going to happen, and infill is better than cutting down more trees on the edge of the suburbs to build a bunch of single family homes. I wasn't claiming it is better than no people, but it's the lesser of two evils.
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So?? It is still wise to keep amenaties, including those that are recreational, within the city limits.

I honestly find this hilarious, it is not as if the city of vancouver has exhausted all of its development potential around skytrain stations. Again, I feel this type of development is jumping the gun, and it is good to have some variety within a parks system. Why should a golf course be treated any different than soccer fields or baseball diamonds?? Are they not also a waste of land???

What about the huge plot of green nothing that is going to be built to replace the viaducts....seriously, I don't understand this city sometimes!

It is actually quite nice to have an affordable golfing venue within the city of Vancouver that is more than a pitch and putt.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2012, 2:56 AM
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So?? It is still wise to keep amenaties, including those that are recreational, within the city limits.

I honestly find this hilarious, it is not as if the city of vancouver has exhausted all of its development potential around skytrain stations. Again, I feel this type of development is jumping the gun, and it is good to have some variety within a parks system. Why should a golf course be treated any different than soccer fields or baseball diamonds?? Are they not also a waste of land???

What about the huge plot of green nothing that is going to be built to replace the viaducts....seriously, I don't understand this city sometimes!

It is actually quite nice to have an affordable golfing venue within the city of Vancouver that is more than a pitch and putt.
That's a fair point. Imo the best looking development sites are all the homes along and within a few blocks of Cambie, but good luck getting people to want to rezone. :S
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That's a fair point. Imo the best looking development sites are all the homes along and within a few blocks of Cambie, but good luck getting people to want to rezone. :S
The planning for the corridor as of present doesn't restrict that for future plans yes/no? But surely it'd have to be like low-rises to lessen the community opposition...

In some ways I wonder if retail should be considered more at the future station locations in addition to the existing emphasis near the stations...

Also, I could see a lively retail scene (omg all the riff-raff) if their plans along 49th were not for more townhouses but more mixed-use buildings. It'd help increase the shopping and eating opportunities near the Langara College campus, and also help to tie in Punjabi Market (only several blocks away) into the plans...

By the way, golf courses + apartments = broken windows and legal claims. Okay, just kidding... although the possibility of this happening is not too remote actually in today's litigious, selfish world...
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2012, 5:52 PM
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By the way, golf courses + apartments = broken windows and legal claims. Okay, just kidding... although the possibility of this happening is not too remote actually in today's litigious, selfish world...
That's actually a legitimate concern, I have a buddy who hooked a shot in early high school on a course in Kamloops and smashed a window. He proceeded to run like hell. A year later the owner of the house had put up a net to stop the balls. I caught up to a twosome one time on the same course, and as we passed a large home of a well-known lawyer in town, one of the two mentioned he smashed his window a couple years ago, and didn't report it either. :S

Most courses have signs warning golfs that they are responsible for any property damage, but often no one comes clean. Mind you this was mid to late 90s: didn't have as many people watching with cameras back then.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2012, 6:19 PM
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MORE office space

There has to be more office space built in the region (where are people going to work if there are more condos than office space) and parcels of land along Cambie corridor should not be sold willy-nilly to developers. Companies want buildings next to transit and the city councils seem to be WASTING valuable land around SkyTrain to residential developers.

The Marine Gateway land should not have been sold to developer. It was a perfect site for a office building/tower. Plus, now that residential is going in an industrial area, we will just lose more business land.

I understand that density=ridership, but hasn't Canada Line already exceeded ridership targets and will probably for the forseeable future with development that's already been approved and population increases in other regions of Metro Vancouver.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2012, 7:27 PM
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There has to be more office space built in the region (where are people going to work if there are more condos than office space) and parcels of land along Cambie corridor should not be sold willy-nilly to developers. Companies want buildings next to transit and the city councils seem to be WASTING valuable land around SkyTrain to residential developers.

The Marine Gateway land should not have been sold to developer. It was a perfect site for a office building/tower. Plus, now that residential is going in an industrial area, we will just lose more business land.
The Marine Gateway project does have an office tower.

There also happens to be quite a lot of office space being built right now so I don't share your concern.

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Old Posted Oct 13, 2012, 7:41 PM
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Marine Gateway

It should be office space solely for the reasons I outlined above.
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