Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 279

Fatality · #**5561** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 1:59 AM**

Condo proposal prompts questions about impact on area

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/st...ng-street-west-development-concerns.html

...and so the fight against progress begins

caltrane74 · #**5562** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 3:07 AM**

That's an old article.

No worries.

koops65 · #**5563** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 3:14 AM**

A "guy with a store in the area" isnt going to change anything... and 30 billion dollars worth of transit infrastructure needed to offset the increased amount of people living there??? Who wrote that article? Toronto should be able to build a couple of brand new subway systems for that price...

Chadillaccc · #**5564** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 3:45 AM**

Exactly. 30 billion? I'm pretty sure the University Line extension in Toronto is only 3 billion on its own. Hmmm some people are dumb.

Innsertnamehere · #**5565** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 4:46 AM**

2.1 billion.

DRL is estimated to cost 5 billion though for around 14km.

Chadillaccc · #**5566** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 5:09 AM**

It was estimated at 2.1 in 2006, then revised up to 2.6 in 2008. I'm sure it will break the 3 billion mark.

Ramako · #**5567** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 6:05 AM**

Ten York:

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130 HARBOUR ST
OPA / Rezoning 12 256067 STE 20 OZ Ward 20
- Tor & E.York Oct 1, 2012 --- --- --- Henstock, Sarah
416-392-7196
Official Plan Amendment to reduce the right-of-way of Lake Shore Boulevard to less than 45 metres along the frontage of the site. This application is associated with file 11-329885 STE 20 OZ which is a rezoning application to construct a mixed use development at 120 and 130 Harbour Street and 10 York Street. The application is for a residential tower with a 4 storey podium and a proposed tower of approximately 65 storeys or 224 metres including mechanical (originally 75 storeys or 253.4 metres including mechanical penthouse) with a total of 725 dwelling units (originally 783 dwelling units) and retail at grade. There is also 4 levels of below grade parking (originally above grade in Floors 2 to 4 of the podium). The podium is to contain storage, mechanical and indoor and outdoor amenity space.

koops65 · #**5568** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 7:53 AM**

Makes me wonder why the renders show the tower being taller than IceII...

koops65 · #**5569** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 7:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

It was estimated at 2.1 in 2006, then revised up to 2.6 in 2008. I'm sure it will break the 3 billion mark.

The real problem with the article is that it implies that amount of money is needed just for King st. alone, just for that project alone, not even considering the rest of downtown or the rest of the city.

DrNest · #**5570** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 12:01 PM**

It was inevitable, but still sad to read the loss in height of 10 York.

rbt · #**5571** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 12:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Exactly. 30 billion? I'm pretty sure the University Line extension in Toronto is only 3 billion on its own. Hmmm some people are dumb.

How many people does it carry? It's around 400,000 trips per day, or 200,000 people right?

What is our population growth rate? Wasn't the GTA growing around 100,000 people per year?

So, to allow the total new population growth to use subway services, we need to build one new University/Spadina sized line from downtown out to the edge of the city every 2 to 3 years?

Obviously, that isn't what happened over the last 30 years. Most of the population growth drives, some take GO transit, and some take the bus. If you wanted to build out the TTC and GO rail infrastructure to carry an additional million trips per day, 30 billion probably isn't far off.

WhipperSnapper · #**5572** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 12:38 PM**

A subway or two servicing the dense downtown area would be several times more expensive than building one under a greenfield. It's a big part subway construction has moved to the suburbs; more kms for the buck. The DRL would be largely at grade using existing rail corridors.

Regardless, I don't know why people are obsessing over some dude's calculations anyways. His math doesn't in any way invalidate his concerns. Oh yeah, unimpeded growth over smart growth is good for supertalls!

LeftCoaster · #**5573** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 2:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Lol!

Yeah, cause that went so great last time.

Well this is the exact same team that did One King West so don't be surprised. A little side note too is that for as nice as OKW looks it was an economic bust.

This is my biggest reason for discounting the Mervish development. Anyone can pay Ghery a fee to propose some pretty buildings, the bottom line is these guys have no capital and no developer to build this massive plan.

Its a couple of dreamers at this point and until they firm up a reliable partner this is going to be nothing more than a vision in my eyes.

LeftCoaster · #**5574** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 2:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by koops65

Makes me wonder why the renders show the tower being taller than IceII...

You've been here long enough to know that renders are just an artists interpretation.

isaidso · #**5575** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 2:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by DrNest

It was inevitable, but still sad to read the loss in height of 10 York.

Especially as it will make not an iota of difference to the views of those NIMBYs who were opposed to the height of the original proposal. It's accomplished nothing except reduced profits for the developer and less optimal land maximization.

caltrane74 · #**5576** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 4:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well this is the exact same team that did One King West so don't be surprised. A little side note too is that for as nice as OKW looks it was an economic bust.

This is my biggest reason for discounting the Mervish development. Anyone can pay Ghery a fee to propose some pretty buildings, the bottom line is these guys have no capital and no developer to build this massive plan.

Its a couple of dreamers at this point and until they firm up a reliable partner this is going to be nothing more than a vision in my eyes.

They need a big developer, Great Gulf, Menkes, or Tridel. And each of those guys each has their own super-project on the go.

yyzer · #**5577** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well this is the exact same team that did One King West so don't be surprised. A little side note too is that for as nice as OKW looks it was an economic bust.

This is my biggest reason for discounting the Mervish development. Anyone can pay Ghery a fee to propose some pretty buildings, the bottom line is these guys have no capital and no developer to build this massive plan.

Its a couple of dreamers at this point and until they firm up a reliable partner this is going to be nothing more than a vision in my eyes.

Yeah, I wouldn't trust Mervish and Ghery in the least...Mirvish and Gehry, on the other hand.....

caltrane74 · #**5578** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 8:07 PM**

They do have the capital, they own, the land, with upzoning is probably worth north of 150 to 200 million dollars.

LeftCoaster · #**5579** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 8:11 PM**

I'm not sure you are aware what capital is Cal... Land equity isn't going to pay for construction.

Not to mention that 200 million dollars wouldn't build a quarter of this project.

WhipperSnapper · #**5580** Posted **Oct 10, 2012, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

They do have the capital, they own, the land, with upzoning is probably worth north of 150 to 200 million dollars.

Yep. They can upzone the land and sell it for a tidy profit. The new guy can get Page+Steele or Kirkor to redesign it all.