Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 271

steveve · #**5401** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 10:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

here they are in my model at 293m ,300m, and 293m:

holyyy cowww!!!

but i'm real skeptical as to whether these will ever happen... I mean why in the entertainment district, and why so many so close to eachother!

Toronto has been compared to Dubai, but this is a little too much for my liking.

perhaps if the height of these towers had a more gradual transition.

say, 200 -> 300 -> 250m

but ya, either way, if these things do get built, they're a whiles away.. 2020 completion at its earliest

caltrane74 · #**5402** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 12:06 AM**

This is truly a ground breaking development. 10 years to build, that's about how long World Trade Centre New York took to build. The scale of this project is awe inspiring. Even Torontonians spoiled by skyscraper construction will be flabbergasted by its size.

Also a 10 year build out will not be subject to the whims of the condo market today or tomorrow.

steveve · #**5403** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 2:13 AM**

If these things are built, I wonder if they'll all rise up together...

theyll excavate together for sure, but selling out all those units might be tough. they;re basically 80 storey buildings times 3. not to mention, nobody knows how the condo market is gonna look down the line.

perhaps they'll build them to the podiums, and then go up gradually one by one?

Innsertnamehere · #**5404** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 3:10 AM**

probably phased. By the looks of the model, the middle one will be first. 2,600 units (the entire development) is WAY to many condos to bring to the market at once. (that would be 10% of the ENTIRE condo market last year) 900 units is much more managable, and could actually happen, if phased over multiple years. (I.E., 10 years)

caltrane74 · #**5405** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 6:59 AM**

I also agree it will be a phased development. But will the arts spaces be private of public?

steveve · #**5406** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 3:44 PM**

I find it a bit awkward how the tower in the middle is a very different design that the two on either side... I think it would be cool if all 3 had different designs. (yes, i know no two are technically the same, but in concept, the two on the outside have that stacked box design that we've seen a little too much of in the past few years, but none actually built)

Andrewjm3D · #**5407** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 3:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Gehry stays in business by providing a service. Why do you think anyone couldn't hire him to come up with a quick concept design and a couple computer generated models?

Ghery is not going to work for just anybody. A client would have to have the funds and vision to get an architect like Ghery to work for him or her. This proposal must really be irking you. It's fun reading your posts. Also why do you troll Caltrane so much? Have a bit of a crush on the guy?

The towers are reported to be 88x2, and 90+ storeys on UT.

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yyzer · #**5408** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 3:55 PM**

small piece on the 680news website...

"The three iconic residential towers, each with a different form, façade and use of materials, will be: a slender and highly articulated tower beside the Royal Alex; and on the block bordered by King, Pearl, Ed Mirvish Way and John Street, a stacked, slatted L-shaped tower and a translucent tri-winged tower," Mirvish said in a letter.

"These towers are so distinct, so striking, that I think of them as sculptures by one of the greatest artists of his generation."

I am sure we will learn a lot more tomorrow.....

caltrane74 · #**5409** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D

Also why do you troll Caltrane so much? Have a bit of a crush on the guy?

The towers are reported to be 88x2, and 90+ storeys on UT.

Please no!

Lol!

Anyways, 2x88 and one 90 should just about get us 3 supertalls.

Andrewjm3D · #**5410** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 4:41 PM**

I'm more excited about the museum aspect but the idea of getting three towers of this caliber are pretty exciting as well. At the age of 83 maybe Ghery wants to leave his mark on the skyline of the city he was born in.

For scale the Toronto proposals are 12 + storeys taller then his Beekham(sp?) Tower in NYC.

Fatality · #**5411** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 4:50 PM**

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toro...-on-torontos-king-street/article4577688/

Yet another article about Mirvish, Gehry proposal.

The article says the buildings "...would include two large art galleries in addition to the planned 2,600 condo units in three towers with as many as 85 storeys each."

Also, "which would rival the downtown’s famous bank towers in height."

This sentence scares me...What if even one of the towers aren't supertall height? None of the bank towers are (even though FCP is pretty close). But when he says "rival" it makes it seem as if they will be shorter but designed well enough to compete with them for popularity and worth. Also, if they aren't proposed to be supertalls, there is no way they will be as the process goes on because if anything the height will get reduced...

Lol I guess I'm just being a bit paranoid.

Andrewjm3D · #**5412** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 4:58 PM**

The Mirvish family has done more for the Entertainment District then anyone else. If he's proposing supertalls in an area he and his farther helped transform by one of Toronto's most famous architects I can't see the city getting in the way.

rbt · #**5413** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fatality

This sentence scares me...What if even one of the towers aren't supertall height?

They will not be supertalls any more than the Holt proposal is.

90 floors (optomistic) in a non-luxury building (units with prices below $1M) will have 9 foot ceilings. 3m per floor (270m) + 10m for 3-storey lobby + 10m for mechanical gives a best case scenario of 290m in height.

I've seen wording of "up to" 85 floors.

I expect the tallest will be 275m before it gets chopped back to 250m by the city, then 230m by market conditions.

caltrane74 · #**5414** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 5:08 PM**

I really don't see the city blocking this type of development. In fact it might go higher, like Aura did, due to its landmark status.

Dylan Leblanc · #**5415** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbandreamer

Frank Gehry & David Mirvish with renderings via Montana Steele presents...3 monster towers for King & Simcoe area/Theatre Row (beside Theatre Park) Toronto:

http://vimeo.com/50398397

The video has been deleted. Does anyone know of another website with it?

dleung · #**5416** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D

Ghery is not going to work for just anybody. A client would have to have the funds and vision to get an architect like Ghery to work for him or her.... At the age of 83 maybe Ghery wants to leave his mark on the skyline of the city he was born in.

That's cute, but the reality is Gehry himself has been over his "tinfoil" phase for quite some time. His business is propped up by so-called "visionary" clients going to him saying "we want something like that thing in Bilbao", who hope that if they get a big-name architect on an overly-dense project, it'll be more likely to be approved by reluctant municipalities.

rbt · #**5417** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 5:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

I really don't see the city blocking this type of development. In fact it might go higher, like Aura did, due to its landmark status.

They're dealing with Vaughan, not Rae. His priorities are a little different and the city may have issues with shadowing of Grange Park (300m would be really close to putting a shadow on it).

My bet is between 230m and 250m for the tallest when actually constructed.

Andrewjm3D · #**5418** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

That's cute, but the reality is Gehry himself has been over his "tinfoil" phase for quite some time. His business is propped up by so-called "visionary" clients going to him saying "we want something like that thing in Bilbao", who hope that if they get a big-name architect on an overly-dense project, it'll be more likely to be approved by reluctant municipalities.

Nice try my bitter troll. I never said it would be like that design but of that caliber. I love how you cal titanium tin foil, one costs a bit more then the other. I bet if Ghery did a project in Vancouver before he dies you wouldn't call it tin foil.

The Globe and Mail -Mr. Mirvish collects newspaper clippings on subjects he’s interested in, and has extensively chronicled Mr. Gehry’s career with more than 40 years-worth of articles. The two friends decided this was a way for both to leave a mark on the city.

caltrane74 · #**5419** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 6:11 PM**

This project is about City Building. No getting around it.

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WhipperSnapper · #**5420** Posted **Sep 30, 2012, 7:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D

Ghery is not going to work for just anybody. A client would have to have the funds and vision to get an architect like Ghery to work for him or her. This proposal must really be irking you. It's fun reading your posts. Also why do you troll Caltrane so much? Have a bit of a crush on the guy?

The towers are reported to be 88x2, and 90+ storeys on UT.

Anyone can hire Gehry. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

I have nothing personally against Caltrane. I just will not sit idly by and let misinformation be passed around.