Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 270

Gresto · #**5381** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 3:30 PM**

I'm tempering my excitement with realism. Even at the height of the boom these would have been ambitious (3 x +/- 1000 ft). Still, let's cross our fingers.

caltrane74 · #**5382** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 3:48 PM**

Nah man, I ain't tempering my excitment. This project is being backed by big money, and these guys are not joking. Everyone knows there is a slow down in the condo market yet, but it seems to have hit some areas particularly harder than others. Projects in the Entertainment District and Southcore have had it, but this on King West, the new Yorkville. This is hardcore.

MonkeyRonin · #**5383** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by DrNest

Fatality makes a lot of good points. I would love to see something of this scale be built, and where proposed is good with me. However, I too, anticipate a lot of NIMBYism and am pondering the slow down in the condo boom.

How would NIMBYism be a factor in this neighbourhood?

vanman · #**5384** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 4:00 PM**

Un-fucking-believable!!! Toronto is really asserting itself now. This proposal would be earth shattering even in Chicago or NYC!

WhipperSnapper · #**5385** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Nah man, I ain't tempering my excitment. This project is being backed by big money, and these guys are not joking. Everyone knows there is a slow down in the condo market yet, but it seems to have hit some areas particularly harder than others. Projects in the Entertainment District and Southcore have had it, but this on King West, the new Yorkville. This is hardcore.

Big name in the entertainment industry; not big money. Still a noob when it comes to real estate development even after losing tens of millions to Harry Stinson ten years ago. Now Muzzo, Goldhar or Libfield would get me excited. They have money themselves. They have connections to get a whole lot more. They wouldn't bother if there was no chance of getting approval. Of course, this is all moot if Mirvish's buddies, the Reichmanns, were mentioned as part of the team on the broken link.

caltrane74 · #**5386** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 5:21 PM**

Man, it's cool when Novices (aka noobs) can get the world's greatest architect to design their projects! lol!

waterloowarrior · #**5387** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 5:44 PM**

David Mirvish and Frank Gehry to transform King St. strip into culture and condo complex
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/the...-st-strip-into-culture-and-condo-complex

the base

DrNest · #**5388** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 5:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

How would NIMBYism be a factor in this neighbourhood?

A lot of those towers are in the 150m range, far shorter than being proposed by Mirvish and Gehry. I don't doubt they will get approval for three towers, but in that district I would be surprised if they got approval for what looks like three 300m+ towers.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them built at the supertall height, and with the money and weight these guys have, they have the potential to get the folks in power to say yes. But that doesn't mean to say there won't be many objections. It's a big difference having 3 supertalls compares to a bunch of towers half that height.

caltrane74 · #**5389** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

David Mirvish and Frank Gehry to transform King St. strip into culture and condo complex
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/the...-st-strip-into-culture-and-condo-complex

the base

So this is not a dream. Mainstream media is also reporting on this?

WhipperSnapper · #**5390** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 7:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Man, it's cool when Novices (aka noobs) can get the world's greatest architect to design their projects! lol!

Gehry stays in business by providing a service. Why do you think anyone couldn't hire him to come up with a quick concept design and a couple computer generated models?

P Unit · #**5391** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 7:45 PM**

I have a feeling this is a decade out, if at all.

Still though

HNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Metro-One · #**5392** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 7:48 PM**

Now those towers are deserving of their height! Love them, hope they come to a reality!

Innsertnamehere · #**5393** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 8:13 PM**

here they are in my model at 293m ,300m, and 293m:

WhipperSnapper · #**5394** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 8:22 PM**

Yeah, I was thinking approaching 350 metres until I did my own calculations. In reality, the scale model is between 270 and 280 metres. The tower are framed by 160 metre towers so I think height will be issue but not an insurmountable one. The heritage value lost by the block busting may be the biggest stumbling block.

blue - construction?
green - site prep?
orange - sales?
red - proposed?

caltrane74 · #**5395** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Gehry stays in business by providing a service. Why do you think anyone couldn't hire him to come up with a quick concept design and a couple computer generated models?

Oh really smarty?

Then why don't all those well financed reputable Toronto Condo developers just give Gehry a call when they put together one of their major projects. Then work off the line drawings.

Ah, if only it was so easy and the service as accessible as you make it sound.

WhipperSnapper · #**5396** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Oh really smarty?

Then why don't all those well financed reputable Toronto Condo developers just give Gehry a call when they put together one of their major projects. Then work off the line drawings.

Ah, if only it was so easy and the service as accessible as you make it sound.

Are you serious?!? I thought you are an executive in advertisement. I would think you would be well versed in the ramifications of hiring another firm to work from somebody else's drawings without his permission. (forget the required engineering knowledge to bring a Gehry to reality)

Building a condo is like flipping a property. One mistake could easily bankrupt you. Taking risks is unfortunate not part of the equation. Why do you think even the biggest and brightest developers protect their parent company by creating project company for each tower they build. Trust me; forumers on Urbantoronto 15 years from now will be bitching about "another Gehry" (or whatever his firm is called) if these get built on time and on budget.

caltrane74 · #**5397** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 8:43 PM**

Executive is just a fancy way of saying I sell shit.

Anyways, you make it sound as though getting Gehry to do concept development for a condo project is no big deal. Obviously it a big deal when he is called on board at this stage of the project. This will be the Burj Dubai of Toronto, the World Trade Centre of Canada, the Bilbao Museum of Ontario.

This has potential to become a worldwide landmark for skyscraper and culture lovers.

I should write a blog post about how big this project will make Toronto.

WhipperSnapper · #**5398** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 8:48 PM**

No, I said hiring Gehry is not a big deal. A developer willing to spend the money to do so IS a big deal. This is just a concept model although it sounds like they are commited to sticking with Gehry.

blacktrojan3921 · #**5399** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 8:58 PM**

I am still waiting for one to break the 300m mark D:

Fatality · #**5400** Posted **Sep 29, 2012, 10:00 PM**

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toro...s-king-street-in-toronto/article4577221/

Need to update some info. The three towers are proposed to be 80 stories each. So it will be probably the tallest buildings in Canada but I'm not too sure about supertall size (maybe if floor size is big enough)? Also, he hasn't approached for zoning but has talked to Councillors. And even Gehry proposes that this project will take atleast a decade (if everything goes according to plan).

The problem I have with this proposal is that Gehry won't be making many friends by demolishing several antique buildings in the theatre district. However, I'm sure that people would want these towers to be built simply based on how revolutionary these buildings may be. The renderings aren't too exciting but this will definitely some world class architecture and better than the boxes we've seen popping in and out of Toronto. Even if the towers aren't supertalls, they are sure to be an example to all other developers. It will show that Toronto isn't just a place to build a quick cheap condo to make a quick buck.

These buildings are on par with the huge (supertall) towers being built in New York, and thats something you can't say about any building in Toronto.

Furthermore, give these guys a chance...they're not just building condos...they are art galleries, its something that comes from his heart, it is Gehry's signature. (Oh and another thing....all the hype about Signature tower can go down the trash XD)

Though I say all this, in the end I believe this project won't go through... unless its transformed to a hideous, typical condo.

Council won't allow it, and pretentious Torontonians won't allow it.