Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[Future Mayor]

The great thing about the Carl's Jr location is that the Regent St Garage is only half occupied most of the day and has a lot of capacity for downtown workers, not to mention the Promised Valley Playhouse parking garage that usually has capacity. That would allow for a minimal amount of parking to be neccesary, either underground, set back from the street, or at the very least designed with a better facade.

I honestly don't have a problem with buildings that have parking on the first few floors, as long as the facade is designed to enhance the building, unlike the Boise one above.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by SLCdude

400 S Density!!!

Now if some of this density could actually make to to 400 S. That corridor is ripe for much more density, specifically right on 400 S.

Picture this, office or residential 8-15 stories set back from the current sidewalk another 8-10', to allow for a wide sidewalk and sidewalk adjacent dinning.

[delts145]

My sentiments exactly. You would think that 400 S. would be a no brainer. What do we have on 400 S. right now in the way of land owners? Must be a few too many land bankers.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

The great thing about the Carl's Jr location is that the Regent St Garage is only half occupied most of the day and has a lot of capacity for downtown workers, not to mention the Promised Valley Playhouse parking garage that usually has capacity. That would allow for a minimal amount of parking to be neccesary, either underground, set back from the street, or at the very least designed with a better facade.

I honestly don't have a problem with buildings that have parking on the first few floors, as long as the facade is designed to enhance the building, unlike the Boise one above.

I wouldn't want new structures to depend on the Regent Street parking garage, as that would ensure that it stays for many years. The city eventually wants that gone; it's ugly, and there is nothing invigorating about parking.

At least if Boise place were built as is on the Carl's Jr. lot, the parking terrace would be above retail, and void of horizontal stripes.

[Future Mayor]

While yes Regent St garage is ugly and the city wants it gone, there are ways that keeping the parking garage can be beneficial to a rehabed Regent St. If the theater gets built with Regent St as a focus or if the street is redeveloped in another way, inculding retail on the ground level of the garage, the 100's of parking stalls in the garage can feed the vibrancy of the street bringing non planned visits to the street, simply because that is where they parked.

Yes I agree it's ugly, but parking garages are needed and not every parking garage can be built below grade under all new buildings. As for the appearance, it can easily be enhanced with some minor improvements, coinsiding with the rebirth of Regent St.

And just because the City wants it down, doesn't mean that Zions Parking Services is willing to sell it or redevelop it.

[ajiuO]

I would love to see the parking garage go.. It would open up regent street, and make it more welcoming.

While I would love to see it go.. I think it could be made to be not so ugly by doing some sort of steel / glass cladding to make it look more like a building and less like the ugly chud that it is.

I don't think regent street can be revitalized simply by opening the retail in the base of the parking.. The retail is already there and it's not all that inviting.. If you want big results.. You need big changes... If it were that simple it would have been done.

I vote to clad the bit** in a really artistic way.. Draw people's attention and make them want to walk down the street, add more retail at the north end of the street, and for god sakes do something with the damn Eat-A-Burger building.. NOW. Rip it down or at least clean it up.

[jedikermit]

A friend in video production is producing a series of short films for the Salt Lake City Mayor's Office, including several about the history of Salt Lake City. The ones that they've put up are just 3-minute videos that are introductions to the topics, and they're working on 30-minute documentaries on the same subjects. If you're interested, check them out--and if you have suggestions for other topics, either comment on the videos or let me know and I can pass it along to them.

History of Salt Lake City: The City and County Building

http://youtu.be/tj7FBhCtYd4



History of Salt Lake City: The Library Block

http://youtu.be/diAE4H1F4F4

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I don't think regent street can be revitalized simply by opening the retail in the base of the parking.. The retail is already there and it's not all that inviting.. If you want big results.. You need big changes... If it were that simple it would have been done.

That wasn't my suggestion. My suggestion was that with either the theater or another major redevelopment, (refering to the NAC press building) combined with the retail on the ground floor of the parking structure and some architectural elements added to the structure, the parking garage could very easily go unnoticed.

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

That wasn't my suggestion. My suggestion was that with either the theater or another major redevelopment, (refering to the NAC press building) combined with the retail on the ground floor of the parking structure and some architectural elements added to the structure, the parking garage could very easily go unnoticed.

Im all for keeping it if some sort of cosmetic cladding or what not is done.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

That wasn't my suggestion. My suggestion was that with either the theater or another major redevelopment, (refering to the NAC press building) combined with the retail on the ground floor of the parking structure and some architectural elements added to the structure, the parking garage could very easily go unnoticed.

My problem with the Boise Tower, as I originally stated is not with the tower, but with the cosmetic treatment of the parking garage beneath it. I agree that having some retail at the base on street is great, but something better must be done with those garage floors above the ground floor. I also agree that with retail at the base of the Regent garage, and some creative cosmetic treatment above, would make for a huge improvement.

I seriously cringe, every time I look at the Walker garage. I wish they would redo that eyesore.

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by delts145

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On further thought, there must be creative ways to ventilate these multi-level parking garages, without the look of a Walker or even the Wells Fargo terrace. At least come up with something sharp when the parking is going to be so fully exposed.

There are ways. I remember reading somewhere that City Creek has some sort of machine that facilitates its ventilation, since its parking is underground and can't rely on the wind outside to properly ventilate. It's probably more expensive, but obviously possible.

I do like how the garage adds height to the building by being a part of the structure, and how it saves land space (which can then be used to further vitalize the city). It costs a lot of money to dig underground, and in some locations, city infrastructure can make it impossible. If the garage could be designed to be less conspicuous, a garage beneath the structure as opposed to behind it is far more desirable.

I like the tower; fix the garage.

[delts145]

If any of you might be new on the forum or somehow missed T-Mac's photo thread of "Historic Salt Lake City" please take a look at the following link. He has also added some additional photos. Some really stunning work, Thanks T-Mac!

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=192933

[chad.farnes]

An incredibly interesting article is on the trib today. It talks about how out of all US cities between 2000-2010, Salt Lake saw the 4th largest increase in the two mile radius around its city hall. Only Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia had larger increases. What is so interesting is that this wasn't done on percentages, it was done on the actual number of people (so the population within the 2 mile radius of Philadelphia's town hall over the ten year period increased by 20,769). If percentages were allowed, Salt Lake would blow them out of the water, especially considering Salt Lake's small population.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54981626-90/downtown-growth-lake-salt.html.csp

Salt Lake City is a leader in a national trend of big city downtowns becoming places to live — not just work or shop.

Salt Lake City ranked No. 4 nationally in the increase between 2000 and 2010 of people living within two miles of its city hall — behind only Chicago, New York City and Philadelphia, the U.S. Census Bureau reported Thursday.

That is not No. 4 based not just on percentages of downtown growth, but in actual people.

Salt Lake City had an additional 19,712 people move downtown in the decade (up 5.9 percent), compared to 20,769 people in Philadelphia, 37,422 in New York and 48,288 in Chicago.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by chad.farnes

An incredibly interesting article is on the trib today. It talks about how out of all US cities between 2000-2010, Salt Lake saw the 4th largest increase in the two mile radius around its city hall. Only Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia had larger increases. What is so interesting is that this wasn't done on percentages, it was done on the actual number of people (so the population within the 2 mile radius of Philadelphia's town hall over the ten year period increased by 20,769). If percentages were allowed, Salt Lake would blow them out of the water, especially considering Salt Lake's small population.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54981626-90/downtown-growth-lake-salt.html.csp

Salt Lake City is a leader in a national trend of big city downtowns becoming places to live — not just work or shop.

Salt Lake City ranked No. 4 nationally in the increase between 2000 and 2010 of people living within two miles of its city hall — behind only Chicago, New York City and Philadelphia, the U.S. Census Bureau reported Thursday.

That is not No. 4 based not just on percentages of downtown growth, but in actual people.

Salt Lake City had an additional 19,712 people move downtown in the decade (up 5.9 percent), compared to 20,769 people in Philadelphia, 37,422 in New York and 48,288 in Chicago.

Hopefully Salt Lake's numbers will continue to grow with all the new housing development taking place right now within downtown.

Speaking of housing development I drove by ( yes drove by, forgive me for I have sinned ) by the RDA state street plaza development. That hole is getting to be very deep. Don't remember how many levels of underground parking it's gong to have.....my guess would be two levels? But hopefully the hole is about finish and we could start seeing the foundation work begin real soon.

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Hopefully Salt Lake's numbers will continue to grow with all the new housing development taking place right now within downtown.

Speaking of housing development I drove by ( yes drove by, forgive me for I have sinned ) by the RDA state street plaza development. That hole is getting to be very deep. Don't remember how many levels of underground parking it's gong to have.....my guess would be two levels? But hopefully the hole is about finish and we could start seeing the foundation work begin real soon.

They will probably dig a 50' hole and then loose funding.. Then it will sit there for 5 years.. Perhaps it would even fill up with water so that we could all throw pennies in it and wish for future development

[StevenF]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

They will probably dig a 50' hole and then loose funding.. Then it will sit there for 5 years.. Perhaps it would even fill up with water so that we could all throw pennies in it and wish for future development

You're terrible. lol

[Hatumai_XL]

Originally Posted by chad.farnes

An incredibly interesting article is on the trib today. It talks about how out of all US cities between 2000-2010, Salt Lake saw the 4th largest increase in the two mile radius around its city hall. Only Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia had larger increases. What is so interesting is that this wasn't done on percentages, it was done on the actual number of people (so the population within the 2 mile radius of Philadelphia's town hall over the ten year period increased by 20,769). If percentages were allowed, Salt Lake would blow them out of the water, especially considering Salt Lake's small population.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54981626-90/downtown-growth-lake-salt.html.csp

Salt Lake City is a leader in a national trend of big city downtowns becoming places to live — not just work or shop.

Salt Lake City ranked No. 4 nationally in the increase between 2000 and 2010 of people living within two miles of its city hall — behind only Chicago, New York City and Philadelphia, the U.S. Census Bureau reported Thursday.

That is not No. 4 based not just on percentages of downtown growth, but in actual people.

Salt Lake City had an additional 19,712 people move downtown in the decade (up 5.9 percent), compared to 20,769 people in Philadelphia, 37,422 in New York and 48,288 in Chicago.

I am confused on a part of this article. It says

Salt Lake City’s total downtown-area population was 355,804 ­— actually larger than Chicago’s 181,714 or Philadelphia’s 234,529.

What is it saying Salt Lakes downtown population is 355,804? Salt Lake City's total population is just over 180,000. Where are they getting this number??? They said they calculated 2 miles from city hall and I don't believe that city limits are less than 2 miles from city hall so downtown would be entirely within Salt Lake. Am I missing something?
Although I must say I would love it if Salt Lakes pop was that high!

[Merewether]

Thinking the newspaper might have misquoted, I looked up original report . "Patterns of metropolitan and micropolitan population change: 2000 to 2010" at
www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/reports/c2010sr-01.pdf

Table 3.7 (p. 28) does indeed estimate SLC in 2010 had 355,804 people within 2 miles as crow flies of City Hall.

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[gusam26]

I do not know if this has been mentioned here, the site for the liberty gateway apartments has a new fence around the whole site including the side walk and parking lane, also their are portable bathrooms on site. looks like construction is a go!!

[Stenar]

2 miles all around City Hall is still all within city boundaries, so that estimate is out of whack.

Originally Posted by Merewether

Thinking the newspaper might have misquoted, I looked up original report . "Patterns of metropolitan and micropolitan population change: 2000 to 2010" at
www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/reports/c2010sr-01.pdf

Table 3.7 (p. 28) does indeed estimate SLC in 2010 had 355,804 people within 2 miles as crow flies of City Hall.

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