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Old Posted Sep 21, 2012, 11:04 PM
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Yeah, it looks too old. It's time to demolished. I wasn't sure how many years is that. Maybe 30 or 40 years old. On what street is that?
WASN'T? That would seem to indicate you DO know now . . . if so, how old is it?

Maybe if you are also of similar age, we could "demolish" you? If not, perhaps we'll just have to wait around till you're too old for use.
     
     
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Seriously?
Yes, seriously! I think it's time to demolition. Because the entire apartment is way too old and ugly. It's time to get a new one.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2012, 2:59 AM
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Yes, seriously! I think it's time to demolition. Because the entire apartment is way too old and ugly. It's time to get a new one.
w...t...f?

I still can't tell if you're being serious or not.

If you knock that building down, it'll be a dirt lot for 30 years. Not a new apartment complex.

The Carol Mary apartments have really cool Mid Century Modern flair to them. Since we stupidly knocked down the vast majority of our pre WW2 history, we need to make sure to protect our great treasure trove of MCM stuff.
     
     
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Mid-century modern architecture like the Carol Mary Apartments need to be restored and treasured not demolished. The Villa del Coronado, right up the street, is a good example of what it could be like in all its glory.

http://www.tourwrist.com/panos/23961

http://www.redfin.com/AZ/Phoenix/140-E-Coronado-Rd-85004/unit-22/home/40416344

http://www.redfin.com/AZ/Phoenix/160-E-Coronado-Rd-85004/unit-58/home/28930692

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Not sure if anyone is familiar with the area, but they are starting to rehab the old apartments on the south side of McDowell at 11th Ave. Over the past week, they have been working on the building that had a fire a few years ago. The rumor on the site is that they are turning the buildings into condos. Not sure what the project is going to look like (if at all different from the existing buildings), but just about anything is better than the fenced-in and abandoned buildings that have been used as a toilet for the past 4 years or so.
The lot now has signs for Hawk Builders on the fence with a number to call for sales information. I looked at their web site and there is nothing on it about the project.

Hawk Builders

If the buildings are torn down I'd like to see some brownstone type townhomes like Portland II or Artisan Village.
     
     
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The lot now has signs for Hawk Builders on the fence with a number to call for sales information. I looked at their web site and there is nothing on it about the project.

Hawk Builders

If the buildings are torn down I'd like to see some brownstone type townhomes like Portland II or Artisan Village.
Sadly Central PHX property isn't such a hot commodity that people are knocking structures down and then building wonderful new mid density living. If this were to get knocked down, it would likely be a dirt lot for 50 years.

Lets hope for a rehabilitation of the existing structure, thats the 'green' way to go anyhow.
     
     
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Amended design revealed for Roosevelt Street
By Chloe Brooks, On Monday, September 24th, 2012

The city of Phoenix's new plans narrow Roosevelt Street to three lanes including a middle turn lane, widen sidewalks significantly and add bicycle lanes. (Rendering courtesy of the city of Phoenix)
The city of Phoenix revealed an amended plan to redesign a portion of Roosevelt Street Thursday at Bioscience High School during its second public meeting about the project.

The current plan will narrow the street from four to three lanes — a westbound lane, an eastbound lane and a center turn lane — and will significantly widen sidewalks and add a lane for bicycle traffic in each direction.

As the plan stands now, the car lanes will be 10 feet wide, the bike lanes will be five feet wide, and the sidewalks will be 20 feet wide. Construction is scheduled to begin in May 2014 and end the following September.

The Roosevelt Row Pedestrian Project has been in progress since 2005, when the street was re-striped between Central Avenue and Fourth Street. It began as a community initiative to make that section of Roosevelt Street more pedestrian-friendly, said Kerry Wilcoxon, a traffic engineer for the city of Phoenix.

“The community has been giving a lot of great ideas, and some of them have worked better than others,” Wilcoxon said. “We’re going to do our best to make this project as open to response as possible, but there are some constraints we have to conform to.”

Wilcoxon said that although the community’s requests from the first public meeting for bike lanes and a wider sidewalk had been met in the design, others, like parallel parking spots to create a barrier between automobile and pedestrian traffic, are not in the plans because property owners did not approve.


The proposed design allows for sidewalks to be 20 feet wide. (Rendering courtesy of the city of Phoenix)
Community advocate Sean Sweat said the lack of parallel parking is one of the plan’s weaknesses.

“There are surface lots everywhere, but the surface lots will go away with development. There are garages, but they’re for long-term parking,” Sweat said. “Parallel parking is key to having short-term, visible parking.”

Downtown resident Will Novak said that without parallel parking to provide a barrier, the bike lanes should be widened from five to six feet, which could be accomplished by narrowing the proposed sidewalks.

“The 20-foot sidewalks are too big,” Novak said. “They’re a good width for Michigan Avenue in Chicago or 5th Avenue in New York, but we don’t really need something that wide here.”

Another suggestion not met in the plan is the sharpening of street corners at intersections between Central Avenue and Fourth Street. The suggestion, brought up at the previous public meeting, was intended to encourage foot traffic.

But such a measure would have the opposite effect, Wilcoxon said.

“If you have corners that are too tight, you can and do get cars and large trucks that come up over the curb onto the sidewalks where the pedestrians are, and where you’ve invited pedestrians,” he said. “The last thing people are going to want on the side streets is seeing large trucks being diverted onto their streets.”

The plan includes metal shade structures on the triangular plots of land between Third and Fourth streets. Concept drawings of the structures resemble trees with chunky trunks and multi-angular branches designed so that they cast a shadow at any time of day and provide maximum sun relief.

Project manager Gail Brinkmann said the project is primarily funded by a federal transportation enhancement grant of $750,000. The city of Phoenix will add 5.7 percent of that figure — about $43,000 — and the city of Phoenix Public Art Program is expected to provide $210,000, she said.

“Now we’ve got to design,” Brinkmann said when the meeting ended. “We need to set something in stone. I think now that we have the traffic lanes designed, we can finally move on to the pedestrian areas.”

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Old Posted Sep 25, 2012, 7:12 AM
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Here is the link to the article ASUSunDevil posted in its entirety. This link has the renderings of Roosevelt.

http://downtowndevil.com/2012/09/24/30877/roosevelt-street-design-pedestrianism/
     
     
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Sadly Central PHX property isn't such a hot commodity that people are knocking structures down and then building wonderful new mid density living. If this were to get knocked down, it would likely be a dirt lot for 50 years.

Lets hope for a rehabilitation of the existing structure, thats the 'green' way to go anyhow.
You are definitely right about that, and I'll take redevelopment of a less than perfect building any day over an abandoned building or dirt lot. I went by it this morning and it looks like the roof has been replaced on the east building.
     
     
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You are definitely right about that, and I'll take redevelopment of a less than perfect building any day over an abandoned building or dirt lot. I went by it this morning and it looks like the roof has been replaced on the east building.
In 20 years people in Phoenix will lament that we knocked down all our mid-20th century buildings and look at LA with envy, lol.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2012, 2:13 AM
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In 20 years people in Phoenix will lament that we knocked down all our mid-20th century buildings and look at LA with envy, lol.
I'm not talking about the Carol Mary Apartments, which are a prime example of mid-century modern architecture and that I want saved and re-habbed. I'm talking about the three non-descript 1 floor apartment buildings, one of which burned down a few years ago, at 11th Ave. and McDowell.

Here is a pic from this evening with the contractor's signage up. Like I mentioned above, it looks like they are working on replacing the roofs right now.

     
     
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2012, 3:20 AM
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In terms of the Roosevelt streetscape plan and the widened sidewalks, is there any reason in particular that Roosevelt can't become a shopping corridor? Is it that the existing building stock isn't large enough to support such uses, that the focus should be on galleries and small restaurants (as seems to be the case now), or something else?

I would think that stores such as H&M, American Apparrel, and so on would be nice additions, complement the current retail scene and fit the demographics of the neighborhood. Between those national brands and the new street improvements, the area might finally clear itself from having an "unsafe" reputation, though I suppose here is a risk of losing what makes the street so unique to begin with (similar to what happened to Mill once corporate stores took over). With the right stores, though, I hope and think that could be avoided.

With wider sidewalks, improved shade, transit nearby, and ASU/historic neighborhoods adjacent, I think this could be our one shot at getting a Mill-type shopping street downtown. I've loved reading others' visions for shopping corrdors along Central or Van Buren, but those just seem so longterm, if not unrealistic altogether given the state of our city and its priorities. Wth that said, I would love to see Roosevelt really "make it," so was just wondering why some feel this can't (or shouldn't) happen?

I do hope we some more residential development along the way- smaller, urban infill, perhaps like The Vale in Tempe, or any of the loft projects along Farmer? That'd certainly get some more foot traffic on these fancy new sidewalks.

On a side note, the lack of parallel parking is a real shame. Additionally, I had heard that there were no plans to bury the power lines- is that stll the case? It's too bad the city can't ever get a project 100%. When we are so far behind, we can't afford to half-🞵🞵🞵 anything, especially when it comes to one of our last chances at getting a street with all the right ingredients to reach its potential.
     
     
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Are there any renderings of the proposed shade strcutures for the triangle plots? I'm nervous to see- I wish they'd get some of the local artists in the area to design something, as I'm fearful the city will miss the mark (I'm picturing a kokopelli motif).

One last thought for now: Would have loved for them to have considered some signage for the area. Copper "Roosevelt" signs extending over the street on, say, 5th ave and 5th street would be a great addition and help brand the neighborhood, one of the few we have that are actually already part of Phoenicians' vocab (unlike, say, Melrose).
     
     
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Possible Luxury Apartments across from Brophy



Todd & Associates, Inc. is heading the design team for Vedura Residential Operating LLC for development of a four story, 266 unit luxury apartment in Midtown, Phoenix. Set on 4.3 gross acres across Central Ave. from Brophy College Preparatory and St. Francis Xavier church, the Central and Highland apartments are on land Vedura is buying from Sunbelt Holdings Inc. for an undisclosed price; the property is currently under option. Sunbelt paid $2.9M for the site in 2010.
Previous zoning permitted a high rise on the site. A planned unit development application (Z-31-12) is pending with the city of Phoenix. The application proposes to take advantage of extra density permitted by its proximity to the Campbell Ave. METRO Light Rail station.
The Central and Highland apartment design wraps multiple four-story buildings around a six story parking garage. The density, 72.2 units per acre, fills 3.4 net acres. Units will face outward to Highland and Central avenues and Coolidge St., as well as some with inward-orientations to the amenity-filled courtyard with pool and spa. A gym and recreation room, as well as the project’s office will face Central Avenue.
A spokesman for Vedura Residential said that a general contractor has not been selected, but that the developer has not yet determined its selection or short-list process, “There are a lot of what ifs before we get to that stage. The Phoenix approvals are just one step.”

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In terms of the Roosevelt streetscape plan and the widened sidewalks, is there any reason in particular that Roosevelt can't become a shopping corridor?
Sorry I should've been more clear. When I was talking about a shopping street I was talking about ones like 5th Ave, Michigan Ave, etc. Places with very tall buildings with department stores on the bottom floor. Then you mix in smaller 'boutique' stores like a Coach handbags or whatever. I think we can both agree Roosevelt won't ever be that.

Can Roosevelt have stores like H&M, American Apparel, etc? Sure. Basically Roosevelt may end up becoming Phoenix's answer to Mill Ave. Though likely with a less fratty/douche/bro vibe and more of a hipster/PBR drinking/all organic body wash vibe.

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Additionally, I had heard that there were no plans to bury the power lines- is that stll the case? It's too bad the city can't ever get a project 100%.
That is the case, sadly. And because of the City will have to use shorter trees that APS approves on the south side of the street. Unfortunately this is apparently a APS thing and there's not much the City can do to make them bury the lines.

Well the City could just offer to pay for the lines to be buried, but sadly there's just not the money for that. I don't know what the solution is

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Are there any renderings of the proposed shade strcutures for the triangle plots? I'm nervous to see- I wish they'd get some of the local artists in the area to design something, as I'm fearful the city will miss the mark (I'm picturing a kokopelli motif).
Ok, I'm going to show you a picture of it, but I want you to reserve judgement! It looked REALLY cool in person, the crappy cell phone camera picture that someone took and then posted on Facebook doesn't do it justice:



Keep in mind, this won't just be an art piece on the 3rd Ave triangle. The artist also plans to have smaller, matching pieces at various key intersections and such. She also talked about replacing the current awful tannish pink bush shelters with something similar.

Basically the structures are metal segments that can be folded out into all sorts of various configurations. She did lots of sun/shade studies and really intends them to be as much shade structures as art. I asked about the metal getting too hot to touch and she assured me it'll be coated in some kind of ceramic so that won't be an issue.

There will also be perforations in the pieces so that you can't really tag/graffiti them. I talked with the artists and highly encouraged her to think about putting misters in the piece on the 3rd St triangle, as it would help it become more of a gathering place.

She's really hoping the pieces will help define the street and give it an identity and I think it will. Think of them basically as 21st century versions of the dendriform columns at the 44th St/Camelback bank.

Oh also....she showed some renderings of how at night the pieces can be illuminated and when she did there was a slight audible gasp in the room. It looked REALLY cool.

Basically the mood of the room afterwards was "the out of town artist did a great job, too bad the City streets department is inept."

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One last thought for now: Would have loved for them to have considered some signage for the area.
I think that'll be part of this project, I'd be surprised if it wasn't. But thats a finer grain sort of thing that they haven't boiled it down to yet. I'm sure the benches, streetlights, trash cans, will all have a similar cohesive look and there could very well be banners, signs, etc that say Roosevelt Row.
     
     
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Todd & Associates, Inc. is heading the design team for Vedura Residential Operating LLC for development of a four story, 266 unit luxury apartment in Midtown, Phoenix. Set on 4.3 gross acres across Central Ave. from Brophy College Preparatory and St. Francis Xavier church, the Central and Highland apartments are on land Vedura is buying from Sunbelt Holdings Inc. for an undisclosed price; the property is currently under option. Sunbelt paid $2.9M for the site in 2010.
Previous zoning permitted a high rise on the site. A planned unit development application (Z-31-12) is pending with the city of Phoenix. The application proposes to take advantage of extra density permitted by its proximity to the Campbell Ave. METRO Light Rail station.
The Central and Highland apartment design wraps multiple four-story buildings around a six story parking garage. The density, 72.2 units per acre, fills 3.4 net acres. Units will face outward to Highland and Central avenues and Coolidge St., as well as some with inward-orientations to the amenity-filled courtyard with pool and spa. A gym and recreation room, as well as the project’s office will face Central Avenue.
A spokesman for Vedura Residential said that a general contractor has not been selected, but that the developer has not yet determined its selection or short-list process, “There are a lot of what ifs before we get to that stage. The Phoenix approvals are just one step.”

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Wow thats quite the downgrade from the once dreamed of "Brophy Tower", but still it would be a positive. One less dirt lot is always a good thing.

One initial concern I have is the '4 story apartments wrapped around a 6 story garage'. I'd have to see better renderings, but that sounds scary unless 2 garage floors are subterranean.

I think we'd all hope for at least 8 stories, but I guess beggars can't be choosers. This sounds like it would fit in well with the character of the Uptown area.
     
     
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Both of these projects sound like nice additions.

Shade art structures are always good additions to the city. They add character!

Brophy Towers would have been cool, but adding more bodies downtown in any way is great. I think the four story plan fits the area well, though!
     
     
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Brophy Towers was never going to happen. That developer has built almost nothing since the 80's. His business model was more to acquire property, over leverage it through Mortgages Limited, and then hopefully flip the property after adding some entitlements. All of this was possible because he was buddies with the owner of Mortgages Limited.

Also, the City was very clear that they were NEVER going to allow what would be, by far, the largest building in the entire state to be built that far north on Central. The ridiculous Rockefeller Center-style ice skating rink was just the icing on a very much in the sky pie. The fact that there was icing on a pie demonstrates how idiotic the whole thing was.
     
     
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Hoover: In your post on the shade structures, you referred to "awful tannish pink bush shelters." I nearly fell out of my chair.
     
     
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Hoover: In your post on the shade structures, you referred to "awful tannish pink bush shelters." I nearly fell out of my chair.
hahah whoops! "BUS shelters'!
     
     
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