New Arena for Downtown Edmonton - Page 237

240glt · #**4721** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 2:59 AM**

^ read the article. There's far more at stake than design issues.

Xelebes · #**4722** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 3:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Rocket252

So from the cities perspective I see hundreds of millions of dollars spent on community centers but cannot scrape together 100 million to change the fact of downtown and the reputation of this city as having the pair.

Now because of delay after delay the costs and realities are being argued now with more threats.

What a mess! Why does this city continue to act like this? I am embarrassed to be a native Edmontonian and am tired of this 🞵🞵🞵🞵!

City council. Earn your pay and get this done!

Eh, might I suggest you slow down there. It looks like no-one is coughing up the money. If Katz wants it built, he would get that money himself. This game of chicken plays both ways.

CMD UW · #**4723** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 3:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Guys guys guys, sky has not fallen today or yet.

That's because many have no idea how big deals like this are 'negotiated'.

The arena will go ahead. We'll likely get an arena that is not an 'architectural wonder' but a well designed one. All I ask for is that we get a new arena downtown that is designed to fit within the context of the community and contribute to a great destination for people to enjoy.

MacLac · #**4724** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 3:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by RicoLance21

My relative currently owns a rental property not far from the proposed arena. The reality has already set in for me as that property value will remain stagnant indefinitely. I think the message is clear enough that the arena will not happen. Wake up, Edmonton. Expect the deal to fall through between tonight and the end of this week.

I am in utter disappointment right now.

Relax.......this project is such a slam dunk sure thing......Contracts are signed and ready to go.....This is just bs political posturing...........

240glt · #**4725** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 4:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by CMD UW

That's because many have no idea how big deals like this are 'negotiated'.

That is a giant load of 🞵🞵🞵🞵.

It's become obvious that this whole process has been a fiasco, because one party has no experience negotiating with a civic government and the other party decided to fold their best hand, then go all in on 2's and 3's. It's a mess Chris, no sugar coating will fix that

Hallsy's Toupee · #**4726** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 4:56 AM**

Some people are speculating that maybe a new CBA between the NHL and NHLPA might be playing a role in this. But that would imply there's even a CBA ready to be signed.

Black Star · #**4727** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 5:06 AM**

Wait....wait I have a Idea.

Why dont us guys go on a bottle drive for Mr Katz.

And maybe are woman folk can put on a bake sale to generate more cash for Katz.

I use to be a big fan of Katz....but man this guy is becoming a PR/Business mess.

Im a liberal thinker with a touch of conservatism but what I have seen heard and read about this deal makes me have doubts about Katz!!

Rocket252 · #**4728** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 12:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Xelebes

Eh, might I suggest you slow down there. It looks like no-one is coughing up the money. If Katz wants it built, he would get that money himself. This game of chicken plays both ways.

Both parties are to blame certainly for the terrible way this has gone but if the city was able to get that money and here I am bringing in the provincial government as well because they have shown absolutely no leadership we may have averted the fiasco that was yesterday's meeting to begin with.

The city and the province have not been able to work out a way to put in 100 million?

Ridiculous and if this gets cancelled because of that it would be typical of how small minded this city and province are

SHOFEAR · #**4729** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 1:01 PM**

guys, cut the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about this being an Edmonton thing. Many arenas and stadiums that envolve some form of public money take years to negotiate the cost sharing. Hell, look at Hamilton with the Ivor Wynne....they were being GIVEN all the money and they spent years fighting over where it should go. Pittsburg took something like ten years to replace the igloo and then there is the islanders..

Hallsy's Toupee · #**4730** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 1:08 PM**

On the other hand, look at how quickly they're moving with the arenas in Quebec City and Seattle

Clearshades · #**4731** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 1:21 PM**

^^
Good call shoffear!

^
For have a have not province yet that relies on Alberta and others. Hello government...Yes you!

bkd · #**4732** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 2:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by CMD UW

That's because many have no idea how big deals like this are 'negotiated'.

The arena will go ahead. We'll likely get an arena that is not an 'architectural wonder' but a well designed one. All I ask for is that we get a new arena downtown that is designed to fit within the context of the community and contribute to a great destination for people to enjoy.

Read - We'll get an arena that is underwhelming and lower-end but it will still look alright and function adequately.

*golf clap*

That's the Edmonton way alright.

SHOFEAR · #**4733** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 2:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hallsy's Toupee

On the other hand, look at how quickly they're moving with the arenas in Quebec City and Seattle

You mean the same seattle that had the Sonics leave because they couldnt get their shit together when it came to building a new arena?

It's easy for Quebec city. They are building it with money Alberta gave them.

Daveography · #**4734** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 2:40 PM**

^ Grass-is-greener syndrome.

SHOFEAR · #**4735** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 2:54 PM**

some sort of syndrome.

oiler-dude · #**4736** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 2:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by bkd

Read - We'll get an arena that is underwhelming and lower-end but it will still look alright and function adequately.

*golf clap*

That's the Edmonton way alright.

At this point, I'd take something like the Consol Energy Center in Pittsburgh over no new arena at all. No, it doesn't look like the proposed Edmonton arena does, but it's not like it's the Rogers Arena in Vancouver either.

Built for $350M in 2012 dollars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consol_Energy_Center

MalcolmTucker · #**4737** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 3:28 PM**

A lot of the cost differential for Edmonton is labour. Only so far you can value engineer the materials until you have to start removing amentities to get even close to the cost of building an arena like Consol in a depressed labour market with a much larger pool of skilled labour that is sitting idle instead of working in fab yards.

rapid_business · #**4738** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 3:35 PM**

Exactly. Built in a different time, in a different city, with different material and labour prices.

s211 · #**4739** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 3:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by MacLac

Relax.......this project is such a slam dunk sure thing......Contracts are signed and ready to go.....This is just bs political posturing...........

No slam dunk here. Any good contract has cancellation clauses in it.

CMD UW · #**4740** Posted **Sep 13, 2012, 10:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by 240glt

That is a giant load of 🞵🞵🞵🞵.

It's become obvious that this whole process has been a fiasco, because one party has no experience negotiating with a civic government and the other party decided to fold their best hand, then go all in on 2's and 3's. It's a mess Chris, no sugar coating will fix that

Glad to see you have the inside scoop on the negotiations to purport that it's a "mess".