Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[Old&New]

Random question: Can anyone tell me the names of the arrow press square buildings which front west temple?

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Stenar

“The concern is that there would be too much government help and public subsidization to make that new hotel work,” said Clint Ensign, senior vice president, government relations for the Sinclair Companies — which owns and operates the Grand America and Little America Hotels. “Public subsidy required for a 1,000-room hotel could range from $80 million to $120 million.”

Ensign said that the total estimated cost for such a project would be in the $300 million range. He said providing such significant financial support for a convention center hotel would be unfair to other hoteliers that built and upgraded their properties with no public funding.

He said subsidization could take various forms including property tax abatements, bonding or tax increment financing. Either way, such assistance would give the new property an unfair advantage.

“A $300 million convention center hotel would require a room rate of around $300 a night to make that project (financially viable),” Ensign said. The hotel would have to charge a room rate of $200 or less to be competitive in the market, he added."

Ensign is a selfish 🞵🞵🞵. He already owns two of the largest hotels in downtown with the Grand and Little America hotels. By "Unfair" he really means "Unfair" for THEM.
Why doesn't his cheap 🞵🞵🞵 just built the hotel themselves then if they are so worry about losing competition. They can call their new hotel the "Super-Duper Grand America Hotel" or "Big 🞵🞵🞵 hotel to rule them all" I don't care. Whatever....point is in the long run. The convention center hotel benefits everybody. Just think Mr. Ensign how much your business will suffer if the Outdoor Retailer show leaves Salt Lake.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

...The convention center hotel benefits everybody. Just think Mr. Ensign how much your business will suffer if the Outdoor Retailer show leaves Salt Lake.

Good point Projects. Seems as if these Holding cronies are cutting off their proverbial noses to spite their face.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Random question: Can anyone tell me the names of the arrow press square buildings which front west temple?

There is now just the one building that fronts West Temple, the original X96 building. The other building that used to front West Temple was the DV8 Building, of course neither of those are the official names. Sorry.

[Old&New]

Thanks Future Mayor. Does anyone know the original names of the X96 building and the building on the corner?

[T-Mac]

It was originally called the Fisher Building according the historical society.

[Old&New]

Thank you T-Mac.

[ajiuO]

I'm just curious. Does anyone know if the church has talked at all about starting construction of the salt lake BYU campus since completion of CCC. I always kind of assumed that they would start the project once CCC wrapped up.

Also what will happen to events like dew fest and the out door show once the space is no longer avalible?

[StevenF]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I'm just curious. Does anyone know if the church has talked at all about starting construction of the salt lake BYU campus since completion of CCC. I always kind of assumed that they would start the project once CCC wrapped up.

Also what will happen to events like dew fest and the out door show once the space is no longer avalible?

As far as I know there is no new info on enlarging the BYU Salt Lake/LDS Business College campus. Also don't expect any details to be talking about at the October General Conference as things like that don't get announced.

Question is, do the schools need more space?

[jtrent77]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I'm just curious. Does anyone know if the church has talked at all about starting construction of the salt lake BYU campus since completion of CCC. I always kind of assumed that they would start the project once CCC wrapped up.

Also what will happen to events like dew fest and the out door show once the space is no longer avalible?

I would think not a lot is going to happen until CCC is actually finished....that is including towers 2 and 8. So I wouldn't hold your breath on it happening any time soon, but I've been wrong before....

[ajiuO]

I still think they should let the land go on the HJ/Plaza block go for a new hotell development.

What are the 5 locations being considerd for the convention hotell anyway.. From what I can gathere there are 5 locations that are adjacent to the salt palace that are being considerd.

I assume that RWP and the shilo inn are 2 of them... Only other spot that has that kind of land available is the Plaza block... Perhaps a land swap could be done with the church.... Isn't all of the empty land south of west hight owned by the city? (Don't quote me on that)

[Future Mayor]

Another site being considered for the convention hotel is the Arrow Press Square site.

I really doubt the LDS Church is considering the Plaza Hotel as a convention hotel site, I honestly doubt they are in discussions for any of their property on South Temple. With the long range goal for BYU SL Campus on the medals plaza/dew tour block, I don't really see them giving up a piece of their 5 block swath for a hotel. IMO

Do we know that 5 are actually being considered? If I had to come up with 5 sites I would say they are the following; Arrow Press Square (including the naked fish building, and Bennett Building), Royal Wood Plaza, Shilo Inn, NE corner of 200 S/W. Temple, and SE corner of 200 S/200 W.

I've gone over this so many times in the past, but of the 5 sites I listed, I honestly think the only one with the required space is RWP.

[arkhitektor]

The Dew tour doesn't come to Salt Lake anymore:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/53922877-77/dew-tour-events-utah.html.csp

[delts145]

Could someone please name these apartments for me? Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by SLCdude

Because minor projects deserve photo updates too...

Apartments

[stayinginformed]

Originally Posted by delts145

Could someone please name these apartments for me? Thanks in advance.

Eastside Apartments fronting 600 East

Broadway Place Apartments fronting 300 South

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by stayinginformed

Eastside Apartments fronting 600 East

Broadway Place Apartments fronting 300 South

They both have websites up as well. Both building have basically the same apartment layouts in 1 and 2 bedroom modules.

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Another site being considered for the convention hotel is the Arrow Press Square site.

I really doubt the LDS Church is considering the Plaza Hotel as a convention hotel site, I honestly doubt they are in discussions for any of their property on South Temple. With the long range goal for BYU SL Campus on the medals plaza/dew tour block, I don't really see them giving up a piece of their 5 block swath for a hotel. IMO

Do we know that 5 are actually being considered? If I had to come up with 5 sites I would say they are the following; Arrow Press Square (including the naked fish building, and Bennett Building), Royal Wood Plaza, Shilo Inn, NE corner of 200 S/W. Temple, and SE corner of 200 S/200 W.

I've gone over this so many times in the past, but of the 5 sites I listed, I honestly think the only one with the required space is RWP.

I took the 5 location statement from the Deseret news.

I wouldn't be so sure about the Plaza. I don't think they would give up the Olympic plaza block... But I think that part of the plaza hotel block is a real possibility. From what I understand that area was to be used for student housing.

With all of the apartment development already taking place along north temple between I15 and 200 west. The need need for byu to provide housing will be less. The apartment building I am in has been very successfull with doing student housing for LDSBC... And I would not be surprised if phase 2 is in the horizon.

I think the LDS church is reasonable and would find it acceptable to do student housing between the triad center and west high instead of the plaza hotel block... A convention center hotel at that location would also be good for the church.. and student housing between west high and the triad almost makes more sense at this point... Ist closer to all of the private housing.

All I'm saying is... I wouldn't count it out. The plaza hotel location has a lot going on for it... I don't think a land trade is out of the question... Especially when such a development could be good for the church.

[scottharding]

I don't know if any of you heard about this, but Comedian Larry Willmore of the Daily show recently filmed what will be an hour-long program for Showtime here in Utah. He did several street interviews and outdoor segments, and then hosted a panel at the Rose Wagner with a live audience and basically taped it as if in the studio. I heard it talked about on the radio several weeks ago, and was curious.
Obviously, the reason for this project is the recent national publicity Utah has received because of the current "Mormon Moment."
Here's a tribune article about the taping of the show:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/54729647-80/wilmore-audience-taping-hour.html.csp

Is any publicity really good publicity? It doesn't sound like Utah is gonna come off too well in this program. Editing will go a long way, and usually, the people involved with the Daily Show are more tongue-in-cheek than mean-spirited, but we'll see. It'll be interesting either way.

[RC14]

I have heard allot of rummor about LDSBC and or BYU-SLC expansion, both here and at school, but I have never seen or heard anything credible, Other then talk of a new student housing building. It would not surprise me if an expansion is in the church's long term plans and I really hope it's true as it would bring more college students, more vibrancy and overall, more density to downtown.
How do we know about these long term plans? has anything official been said, or is it just speculation?

[jtrent77]

Originally Posted by RC14

I have heard allot of rummor about LDSBC and or BYU-SLC expansion, both here and at school, but I have never seen or heard anything credible, Other then talk of a new student housing building. It would not surprise me if an expansion is in the church's long term plans and I really hope it's true as it would bring more college students, more vibrancy and overall, more density to downtown.
How do we know about these long term plans? has anything official been said, or is it just speculation?

My speculation is that LDSBC and BYUSLC are currently in temporary locations. I don't think they will remain at the triad center forever, and eventually they will build a campus for them along with housing, likely on the medals block, but that is entirely speculation on my part.