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Old Posted Aug 15, 2012, 1:46 AM
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The Mormon pioneers were very involved in the arts and established a lot of great cultural organizations over the years which that culture they developed has lasted to the present. Most other towns during that time period were just filled with saloons. So, yes, SLC probably does have a much richer cultural legacy than Denver.

For example, one of the first things the pioneers did when they came to SLC was establish the Salt Lake Theatre. That's just one example too numerous to count. The University of Utah was the first university in the nation to have a modern dance program and BYU is heavily involved in ballroom dance. If you watch shows like SYTYCD, there are always numerous Utahns on that show and every other talent show in America.
I am sorry, but I believe you are blinded to the forest while living in the trees. To believe that SLC has a richer cultural legacy or even a better current cultural milieu, is quite delusional. While I do currently reside in Denver, I have through my life lived in NYC, Boston, Providence, London and San Francisco. I have never lived in SLC, but have visited on work and pleasure on numerous occasions. Denver in comparison to many of the cities I have lived is very lacking when it comes to culture and artistic venues/people. However, and I do not mean this in an offensive way--although it will probably come across that way--SLC is a bit barren. Both Denver and SLC are very homogenized in both people and culture, but SLC to a much higher degree. And if I understand anything about history, the mormon influences on SLC probably lead to the development of different culture outside of the saloons of the west because of the Church's stance on alcohol. That, however, does not mean that Denver's saloons (take a look at old pictures of Curtis street in Denver, http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http...%3DN%26rls%3Den%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1) lacked "culture" just because they were saloons. Taken from an outsiders perspective of both Denver and the Rocky Mountain region, it seems that SLC has and will always be playing catch up to Denver. Similar to Providence to Boston, or Boston to New York for that matter. It will not change, but compare the two cities, to me, seems like comparing a glorified Colorado Springs to Denver.
     
     
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Good heavens people. Let it go. Thanks!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2012, 2:53 AM
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Breaking News

Just came across my twitter.

Salt Lake County Council votes 6-3 to support Performing Arts Center in downtown Salt Lake City

Perfect timing on the vote considering the announcement tomorrow.

P.S. The dancing bananas where not part of the tweet, those were added by me. hehe
Im really glad to hear this. I felt like it might be coming today. I could be reading into this too much or be reading it wrong, but I felt like the county council all along was supportive (or at least did not want to miss out on the financial rewards) but was slow to support it because it was controversial, and as a result could somewhat distance themselves by having a somewhat neutral stance that all the sudden shifted at the end. I feel like it took a little arm twisting by Becker and the rest of the SLCity council (mostly by pushing along the timeline). For instance, it came out that there would be an announcement tomorrow. This was after the County council said that they would push back their vote last week by a week (to today) or two. I think by pushing the agenda and having an announcement tomorrow, Becker forced the council to put it up to a vote tonight. Otherwise they may have just dragged on for a while. I am hoping that may be the same thing will happen with the convention hotel, and that as long as there are people pushing it along, it will eventually happen because as controversial as it may be, SLC, SL county, and even the state of Utah can't miss out of the deal (or at least the money that it will bring into the state).
     
     
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I am sorry, but I believe you are blinded to the forest while living in the trees. To believe that SLC has a richer cultural legacy or even a better current cultural milieu, is quite delusional. While I do currently reside in Denver, I have through my life lived in NYC, Boston, Providence, London and San Francisco. I have never lived in SLC, but have visited on work and pleasure on numerous occasions. Denver in comparison to many of the cities I have lived is very lacking when it comes to culture and artistic venues/people. However, and I do not mean this in an offensive way--although it will probably come across that way--SLC is a bit barren. Both Denver and SLC are very homogenized in both people and culture, but SLC to a much higher degree. And if I understand anything about history, the mormon influences on SLC probably lead to the development of different culture outside of the saloons of the west because of the Church's stance on alcohol. That, however, does not mean that Denver's saloons (take a look at old pictures of Curtis street in Denver, http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http...%3DN%26rls%3Den%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1) lacked "culture" just because they were saloons. Taken from an outsiders perspective of both Denver and the Rocky Mountain region, it seems that SLC has and will always be playing catch up to Denver. Similar to Providence to Boston, or Boston to New York for that matter. It will not change, but compare the two cities, to me, seems like comparing a glorified Colorado Springs to Denver.
How is Salt Lake City a glorified Colorado Springs?! Politically it couldn't be further from being similar. Colorado Springs is more like Provo. And in case you didn't know, Salt Lake City is more liberal than Denver; The further the pendulum swings one way, the further it swings the other. Also, Salt Lake City is older than Denver, and therefore has a richer history; It's definitely more "wild west" than Denver too!

Just some of Salt Lake City's cultural arts organizations (only those located in SLC proper are listed):

Ballet West
Utah Symphony
Utah Opera
Plan B Theater
Off Broadway Theater Company
Pioneer Theater Company
Ririe-Woodbury Dance Company
Repertory Dance Theatre
Symphony at Temple Square
Mormon Tabernacle Choir
Sundance Film Festival
Salt Lake Film Society
UMFA
MUAH
Salt Lake Arts Center
Broadway Across America
University of Utah Arts Programs and Performance Groups
Salt Lake Jazz Festival
Salt Lake Arts Festival


Microbreweries and Distilleries (only those located in SLC proper are listed):
Desert Edge Brewery
Four+
La Caille Winery and Vineyards
Red Rock Brewing Company
Squatters Pubs & Beers
Uinta Brewing Company
Utah Brewers Cooperative (Schirf Brewing Company and Salt Lake Brewing Company)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Utah_breweries,_wineries,_and_distilleries

Our alcohol is comparable too! It's just measured differently here in Utah (by weight instead of volume).

And since we're sharing old-time photos:


http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/USHS_Class/id/23008/rv/singleitem/rec/8

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[QUOTE=Future Mayor;5798588]Breaking News

Just came across my twitter.

Salt Lake County Council votes 6-3 to support Performing Arts Center in downtown Salt Lake City



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For those getting up tight about Denver vs. SLC - both cities have their own culture. They are different and shouldn't be compared in an effort to out do each other. I've lived in both for several years and admit that I favor SLC over Denver. It fits my style more. I had great neighbors in Denver, but I like the arts. Denver had them, but I moved there from Seattle and compared to Seattle, Denver was a bit dry. I took advantage of what there was, though. Arvada has a great little community theatre and the museum formally called the Denver Natural History Museum is fantastic. I love Denver's zoo.
Both cities' cultures reflect their history. SLC is more developed in the arts. Denver is more developed in professional sports.
Outsiders look at Denver as being a big cow town out in the wild west. SLC is looked at as either a quirky Mormon town or a misplaced piece of continental Europe.
The demographics are also reflected in their cultures. SLC has a young population, both due to a higher birth rate and due to attracting more young families. Denver's population is aging. Thus SLC is becoming more and more outdoor oriented and Denver is starting to loose some of its outdoor spirit.
Denver seems to put more effort into attracting capital and business than SLC. It's very good at selling itself to the outside world. From what I've seen over the past 20 years, though, SLC has been more successful at attracting outside businesses - maybe because it is closer to California though.
Both cities are very friendly. A few days after moving into my house in Denver, I was dumbfounded when a neighbor crossed the street and offered to let me use his power mower - I was mowing my lawn with a push mower. I had become accustomed to Seattle where no one even knows their neighbors names let alone talk to them.
I remember SLC to also be very friendly. Of the cities I've lived in, there was more neighbor interaction than any of the others. Denver comes in at a very close 2nd there.
When I worked with city leaders in Denver, they often tried to compare Denver to both SLC and Kansas City (but never Omaha). If SLC or KC had something that Denver didn't have, they'd start discussing getting it in Denver, too. I didn't see much of that in SLC. SLC, though, could stand to promote itself more and attract more capital. Denver is addicted to the boom and bust cycle more than most other western cities, but it has served the city well and resulted in a great skyline. SLC should be more aggressive like Denver.
SLC has a greater sense of heritage. This is reflected in its architecture. Denver tries to be more modern in its look.
SLC has more arts. Denver has more sports.
I'd have no problem moving back to either city. I've been in Phx for the past 3 years - winters are great; summers are brutal; the art scene is very small, but there are some good places to eat.
     
     
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Great news on the Broadway "Mega-Theater" front!

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Just some of Salt Lake City's cultural arts organizations (only those located in SLC proper are listed):

Ballet West
Utah Symphony
Utah Opera
Plan B Theater
Off Broadway Theater Company
Pioneer Theater Company
Ririe-Woodbury Dance Company
Repertory Dance Theatre
Symphony at Temple Square
Mormon Tabernacle Choir
Sundance Film Festival
Salt Lake Film Society
UMFA
MUAH
Salt Lake Arts Center
Broadway Across America
University of Utah Arts Programs and Performance Groups
Salt Lake Jazz Festival
It is noteworthy that not only does Salt Lake City and the Greater Wasatch Front have an amazing quantity of performing arts organizations for it's size (a far greater number than many Cities, Metros and States with a much larger population) but the quality of many of these organizations are considered among the finest on the continent, i.e. The Utah Symphony, Ririe- Woodbury, Pioneer Theater Co., and particularly Ballet West is among the very finest of an elite few. Not to mention Sundance or The Mormon Tab Choir, which in their particular niche, are among a small handful of the finest in the entire world. The New York Times has often proclaimed Salt Lake City as a cultural mecca, including second only to New York itself in the field of Dance.
     
     
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For the last time, the Denver PAC is larger, and more prestigous (the shows that come through) than Anything in the entire state of Utah!!!!!! The stops that our Museum gets (King Tut display) are also far greater than anything utah gets! Keep kidding yourselvs. It really is ridiculous to listen to a group who are so out of touch with the VAST amount of culture that Denver has over slc! Do you not realize that EVERYTHING you listed can be found in Denver, and in most cases on a bigger and better scale with more national recognition? I am not trying to slam slc, just point out that it does not win in this comparo! But good for you folks for letting your bias blind you! We have not even mentioned the new daniel libeskind art museum, and the Entire works of Clyfford still museum.
     
     
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This is obnoxious. Those of us that live in Salt Lake, prefer Salt Lake. Those that live in Denver, prefer Denver. Shocker.
What's a little more difficult to understand is why forumers from Denver come on the Salt Lake forum to make comparisons (since in this case, it was a Denver-phile that started it). How about you comment on your own cities forum. You can rant and rave about how wonderful your city is all you want, but doing it on our forum betrays a sense of inadequacy. So long as your commenting here, I'll just assume that you're jealous.
     
     
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Buildings vacant for decades

Walking down Broadway and seeing the Yardstick and adjoining stores (approx 70 E 300 S) which have been vacant for perhaps 20 years made me think about other similar locations. I can understand a landlord holding a property in abeyance waiting out a downward business cycle and in some cases an estate settlement may be Bleak House interminable.

Perhaps people on the forum more knowledgeable about real estate economics would comment why owner would pay property taxes but not find a tenant or sell?

Similar properties in heavily trafficked locations which come to mind are old Neff Floral at 5th East/4th South (Lot too small?) and the railroad salvage store at 8th S/5th East. I was also going to list the popcorn shop on 21st South but cite below shows back is still in use and may interest Sugar House devotees.
http://www.sugarhousecouncil.com/index.php/sugar-house-history
     
     
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For the last time, the Denver PAC is larger, and more prestigous (the shows that come through) than Anything in the entire state of Utah!!!!!! The stops that our Museum gets (King Tut display) are also far greater than anything utah gets! Keep kidding yourselvs. It really is ridiculous to listen to a group who are so out of touch with the VAST amount of culture that Denver has over slc! Do you not realize that EVERYTHING you listed can be found in Denver, and in most cases on a bigger and better scale with more national recognition? I am not trying to slam slc, just point out that it does not win in this comparo! But good for you folks for letting your bias blind you! We have not even mentioned the new daniel libeskind art museum, and the Entire works of Clyfford still museum.
So you may have some larger venues that host touring shows (we're working on that) but Salt Lake City has a 24/7 arts scene, as in we create our own art. Many PACs across the country have hosted our arts organizations which have garnered acclaim from those cities and their critics, including New York. Ballet West and the Mo-tab have international acclaim. I can't even think of one Denver arts organization that has international acclaim...
     
     
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Am I not free to post ANYWHERE on this forum? And am I not free to call BS? No 24/7 here? You truly are out of touch with what is going on in Denver! We have the International acclaim to land touring shows and events that slc could only dream of! Keep living in a world of denial.
     
     
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So you may have some larger venues that host touring shows (we're working on that) but Salt Lake City has a 24/7 arts scene, as in we create our own art. Many PACs across the country have hosted our arts organizations which have garnered acclaim from those cities and their critics, including New York. Ballet West and the Mo-tab have international acclaim. I can't even think of one Denver arts organization that has international acclaim...
Uhm, last I checked if your definition of a 24/7 art city is making your own art. Then every city in the world be a a 24/7 art city, as every city has someone making art, most likely 24hrs a day...but I'm sorry if people underestimate the cultural contributions the 123rd largest city proper and the 48th largest MSA has contributed to the zeigiest of the United States. I'm not intentionally trying to troll. But I think some on this forum have some misperceptions about the cultural and artistic significance of Salt lake City. Is it a quaint and beautiful city, yes. Is it a power house and beating heart of America's artistic, literary and intellectual existence and momenteum. Probably not.
     
     
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OMG....I don't care about Salt Lake vs Denver debate right now. I just want to hear about the boardway theater.
Anybody know what time we could hear an update on the theater?
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HKS Architects will design the theater. That is all I know for now.
     
     
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54702815-78/lake-salt-theater-architects.html.csp

HKS got the contract, the impression I get from the article is that they haven't designed anything yet and there aren't any renderings to show....
     
     
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This is obnoxious. Those of us that live in Salt Lake, prefer Salt Lake. Those that live
in Denver, prefer Denver. Shocker.
What's a little more difficult to understand is why forumers from Denver come on the Salt Lake forum to make
comparisons (since in this case, it was a Denver-phile that started it). How about you comment on your own cities forum.
You can rant and rave about how wonderful your city is all you want, but doing it on our forum betrays a sense
of inadequacy. So long as your commenting here, I'll just assume that you're jealous.
My sentiments exactly Scott. Who is this troll anyway??? I don't think there's one local forumer who in these recent
past years would flame blog onto the Denver thread and act with such rudeness. It's one thing to pat each other on the
back in your own forum, and we all are guilty of that. However, few are so immature as to flame on a good neighbor's
forum. In all fairness to Denver forumers, we should acknowledge that this Denverite is a rare exception for Denver. Almost
all Denver forumers are exceptionally gracious, and complimentary.

I would compare this Troll's comments on Salt Lake's performing art's scene as about as ludicrous and silly as someone
from this forum trolling the Denver thread, proclaiming Salt Lake's professional sport's scene as more significant than
Denvers. Yes, someday Salt Lake and the Wasatch Front will accumulate the same number of major sport franchises
as Denver. Both are great sports towns. However, metro Salt Lake, but particularly it's surrounding state market needs
more people, which is happening quicker than some would like. Someday, if Denver chooses, it will arrive at the same
level with it's performing arts scene as Salt Lake, but neither is equal to the other in each respective field at this time.

Most cities/metros, including those that are much larger than either Salt Lake or Denver would be hard pressed to even
come close to the size, quality and scope of the triumvirate of the Temple Square Campus, including my own Los
Angeles. Miniscule, would be a good word for comparison of other Downtown perfomance venue offerings, compared
to the Temple Square Campus Venues alone. That doesn't even include the individual jewels such as Kingsbury, Abravanel
Hall, The Capitol, Pioneer Memorial, Rose Wagner and the soon to be UPAC Hall , etc. Each, a significant, stand alone
venue, which showcases it's own acclaimed company.

The historic and internationally celebrated Great Tabernacle, The exquisitly beautiful Assembly Hall, and the marvel that is
The Conference Center have a seating capacity of well over thirty thousand combined. Not only is this amazing in the
scope of it's size, but the quality of these venues is among the very elite of the world, both from an architectural
standpoint and acoustically speaking. Each week tens of thousands of locals, international travelers and convention
goers frequent these great halls without fail. And it isn't just for the performances of the world's most celebrated choir,
but also the most internationally celebrated touring soloist performers, symphonies and orchestras from around the
world, which perform continually.

Stagehands prepare the Capitol Theatre stage for the musical "Wicked"

(Keith Johnson, Deseret News)

The Historic Capitol Theatre was originally constructed as a major vaudeville venue.
The Capitol now serves as home to the internationally acclaimed Ballet West and the Intermountain West's
foremost Regional Opera Company. The Capitol has also served faithfully as a venue for touring broadway productions
for several decades. However, this will change soon as a much larger theatre will be added to downtown that
will serve the metro's passion for major broadway productions and their required lengthy stay. The Capitol's
seating and orchestra pit will be remodeled to more ideally suit it's prestigious ballet and opera.


bobindrums

Abravanel (Symphony) Hall)

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LDS Conferece Center: One of the aspects that impresses me most about this giant building is
how it interfaces with it's neigborhood. To the south it's facade and plaza are indicative of it's downtown environs
as a monumental and cultural neighbor. As I walked around it a couple of days ago, I was taken back by the now
maturing landscaping covering it's terraced walls to the east and north. This combined with it's rooftop gardens make
for visual feast for the historic downtown neighborhoods, which are immediately adj. to and either surround or climb
abruptly on two of it's sides. Even those living in high-rise towers to the immediate north have beautiful gardens
to look down on instead of a giant, sterile and vapid roof.


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Interior of Assembly Hall, seating over 22,000 people, is the largest of it's kind in the world.
Pictured, is a weekly rehearsal session of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. This venue is often used by the Choir
instead of it's famous, traditional venue, because of it's seating capacity. Ongoing conventions, LDS faithful, and
tourists had often overwhelmed the capacity of the historic tabernacle on Temple Square. The hall is also used
as host for major holiday pageants and as a concert hall for renowned opera soloists or performing artists, etc.,
where seating demand is too high for other downtown venues.


ben4t2

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Exterior and Interior of historic Tabernacle after final restoration and seismic upgrading.
All seasons as well as Spring welcomes weekly concerts, free to the public. Interior pictured, The Mormon
Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra at Temple Square


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Assembly Hall

Pandercutts @ flickr.com

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No renderings yet...ugh. Not exactly running along the same 'show and tell' timeline as the Kimball Arts Center contest. Oh well, bring on the cranes!
     
     
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So how do they choose an Architect(s) when none of them designed anything yet?
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