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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 2:35 AM
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Incidentally, I think it is quite likely that adding a residential component to Station Square would help revitalize the retail portion.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 2:57 AM
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It would be great if the Station Square people and PAT could figure out how to copy the example of the Northshore businesses and extend the free subway access over to there. I have no idea how much the Steelers, Casino and Parking people pay PAT for the Northshore Connector operation but think about how many more people would head over there from downtown or the northside if the subway ride was free. It would be nice if there were better food options in Station Square too but there does seem to be a rule that good restaurants are never allowed near a tourist attraction.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 3:19 AM
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An Economics student and his professor are walking together after class. They see a wallet lying on the sidewalk. As the student starts to reach down, the professor stops him, and explains, "If it was worth anything, someone would already have picked it up."
Yes BrianTH, because drawing a parallel between lost money and market forces is a great analogy.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 5:09 AM
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That would actually be a parable.

But if you prefer something more literal:

It is 2009. A developer has bought the former Fifth Avenue High School, and plans to convert it into upscale apartments. A wise old soul opines, if there was demand for upscale apartments in that location, it would already have happened. Therefore, "market forces" ensure those apartments will never rent.

And obviously, that wise old soul would be correct, right?

There is in fact a common theme here. It has something to do with assumptions, and change, and predictions, and what is actually observable. But I'll leave all that for the reader to figure out.

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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 5:47 AM
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I believe this picture is entitled:

"A DEMONSTRATION OF THE INCONCEIVABILITY OF STATION SQUARE AS A DESIRABLE RESIDENTIAL LOCATION"

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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 5:59 AM
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Yes. The Market saw a void and filled it. But nothing is hundred percent. I don't have to tell you how many small businesses fail in the first year. Nothing is a sure thing. Station Square is a small strip of land. It has little available space left. It would be better served for more retail/office/hotel space. So far that is what it has produced. At the end of the day if there is need it will happen. TRUCE
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 11:12 AM
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The place I have in mind is the surface parking lots east of the bridge. That location is really ideal, with direct access to both the bridge and the T station:

http://binged.it/MOhnvV
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 2:02 PM
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A couple of new parking garages for Station Square would free up a TON of land for residential. Imagine what would happen to SS if you plunked down something like Riverparc (but larger) there. It would be a huge hit I bet, and serve as a reliever to the tight downtown rental market. People wouldn't move there to live in Station Square, they'd move there to be a 10 minute walk from their jobs, and a T-ride away from Mt. Lebanon and South Hills shopping.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 2:37 PM
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A couple of new parking garages for Station Square would free up a TON of land for residential. Imagine what would happen to SS if you plunked down something like Riverparc (but larger) there. It would be a huge hit I bet, and serve as a reliever to the tight downtown rental market. People wouldn't move there to live in Station Square, they'd move there to be a 10 minute walk from their jobs, and a T-ride away from Mt. Lebanon and South Hills shopping.
Exactly my thinking.

I might note I go back and forth on the low-rise warehouse currently occupied mostly by clubs, just east of the bridge. Some historic images research indicates it was built between 1938 and 1953, so it is old, but not really old. I'm not generally against having some low-rise elements to an overall mid/high-rise area, and I think it is a good principle to not remove structural elements that are actually occupied and working when you have surface lots and such available. But its size and diagonal alignment means it really blocks a lot of land. It is also arguably where you would most want to build a new multi-level garage which could serve a combination of Station Square's existing retail, commuters, and residences along the river, and of course you could still incorporate ground-floor retail in such a garage.
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I actually like the new Tower at PNC Plaza rendering better. The old rendering looks too much like a condo in Miami. Besides, Pittsburgh needs a skyscraper with some "roundness" to it.

As for The Gardens, the problem with Cor-Ten steel is that oxidization tends to stain its surroundings, which could be a problem for adjacent businesses who don't want their property to turn brown.
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Station Square is an absolutely perfect place for residential. There's a huge T station right there! Transit oriented development.

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@ BrianTH and Austinlee, I also feel that way about Station Square. Having a multi-level parking garage at that location with mid-to-highrise buildings on the other side of that fronting the river would be huge. Also, could that create demand for the One Grandview project allowing it to secure funding and move forward?

Coming back to Station Square, I always thought something was missing there. By bringing in residential uses this would deffinitely make that neighborhood into a 24/7 neighborhood. I imagine there would have to be demand for it now if ever...

Coming back to that argument about "if there was demand it would have happened already." Well, what about all of the development we've seen over the last decade, pertaining to residential development? So, by that logic, what has been happening downtown should really have started some years before, but it hasn't. So, that's a pretty weak argument if you ask me...

Demand is there now, and it's only a matter of time before things spill back over to fill in the voids in Station Square. Already, something is coming in to fill in a void...
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Not only is it a great location for residential, but the residential would also organically improve Station Square itself.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2012, 9:39 PM
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I think the owners, Forest City are sitting on it and hoping for another real estate boom before they start any projects there unfortunately.
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I think the owners, Forest City are sitting on it and hoping for another real estate boom before they start any projects there unfortunately.
That time is now, I think.
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Needs a supermarket, the Giant Eagle in Southside is too far. Doesn't have to be a huge suburban style.
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Pittsburgh reinvents itself as the new Hollywood for film

Once known for its steel mills and smog, Pittsburgh is fast becoming the Tinseltown of the East. A generous film tax credit, coupled with the region's diverse landscape and skilled labor unions, have made the city a hot destination for recent productions -- and the firms that cater to them.
In the last three years alone, 24 movies have filmed in Western Pennsylvania, including "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Promised Land," which stars Matt Damon and will be released next year. These films have infused the region's economy with $300 million since 2009 and helped small businesses to thrive, according to Pittsburgh Film Office Director Dawn Keezer.

Since 2004, Pennsylvania has offered a 25% tax credit for films that spend at least 60% of their total production budget in Pennsylvania. Krista Salera, an accountant with the McQuillan Group who works on film production expenditures, said film companies used to have trouble hitting the 60% mark. Now, she said, in-state expenses regularly top 80%.

"There are a lot more businesses that support the film industry here than there were four years ago, so they can utilize those resources instead of having to bring them in from elsewhere," Salera said.

One of those local resources is 31st Street Studios, a sound stage and production company located on the site of a former steel mill in Pittsburgh's Strip District. Founded in 2011 by investment banker and native Pittsburgher Chris Breakwell, the facility is 300,000 square feet, making it the largest production facility outside of New York or Los Angeles.

Industrial ghost town? No, startup boomtown.

In March, the company upped Pittsburgh's appeal by announcing a partnership with entertainment powerhouses Paramount On Location and Knight Vision. The deal gives Paramount a permanent regional base for the lights, rigging and equipment necessary for movie shoots and brings Knight Vision's motion-capture technology, used in the blockbuster movie "Avatar," to the region.

"We're trying to change the game by having some of these ancillary services here," Breakwell said.

While all of Pennsylvania has seen filming increase due to the tax credit, the Pittsburgh area is particularly unique in its labor situation. Both Keezer and Breakwell cited the skilled and inexpensive local unions as being an important part of the recent boom.

And when location scouts are looking for their next space, they'd be hard-pressed to find more diverse offerings.

"There was an excellent opportunity to do film here because of the talent, the infrastructure and the diversity of the landscape. You can shoot a farm in Ireland 15 minutes south of here or you can shoot a scene in New York City. And everything is less expensive," said Mike Dolan, who founded Smithfield Street Productions with partners Benjamin Barton and Brian Hartman in 2007.
Recognizing the need for indoor filming space, the trio launched Island Studios, a professional soundstage, in 2008. Scenes from "She's Out of My League" were shot there.

'I started a business in a boomtown'

It's not just sound studios and production companies that thrive. Their success trickles down to ancillary businesses as well: Coffee companies, transportation firms and souvenir shops have all seen a major uptick because of the film industry.

Peak Security, which provides security services to film productions like "The Dark Knight Rises" and stars like Katherine Heigl, receives 25% of its revenue from the film industry and has doubled its full-time staff in the last five years.

During the two months that "Dark Knight" filmed, Tyler Mountain Water & Coffee, based in a Pittsburgh suburb, kept the cast and crew hydrated by supplying beverage cases and water bottles twice a week. In the last three years, the company has supplied water to more than a dozen film sets, including "Out of the Furnace," starring Christian Bale, and "Promised Land," with Matt Damon.

Keezer said it's all evidence that the film tax credit works.

"The film tax credit has proven that if you build the right incentive program you can get the work, and the work means more jobs for local Pennsylvanians," she said.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pittsburgh-reinvents-itself-hollywood-film-094000471.html
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Needs a supermarket, the Giant Eagle in Southside is too far. Doesn't have to be a huge suburban style.
Forgot about that. I suppose any of the buildings that go up there could hosue it...
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Anybody ever check out the following website from Jeff Burd? He is very pro Pittsburgh and seems to have a a lot of connections and knowledge about the local construction industry and development happenings.

http://buildingpittsburgh.wordpress.com/
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2012, 3:45 AM
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An announcement by Burns & Scalo about a tenant for their proposed office building Downtown would be a big deal. But I can't tell if that is what is being referred to, or if that is credible.
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