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[SKYSTHELIMIT]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Sorry for the double post, but the north section of the perimeter is actually traffic light free now and all clover leafs. And once they finish the 59 intersection, which was a cloverleaf once it will be all the way to Dugald Rd then.

There are still 2 intersections with lights(Hwy 6 and Pipeline Rd.)

[1ajs]

the perimiter used to dead end at lague hence why its such a weird intersection

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Sorry for the double post, but the north section of the perimeter is actually traffic light free now and all clover leafs. And once they finish the 59 intersection, which was a cloverleaf once it will be all the way to Dugald Rd then.

Between Route 90 and Dugald Rd there are 8 gravel road uncontrolled intersections, 3 signalized intersections (Pipeline, 59 and Dugald) and 3 uncontrolled train crossings. That is hardly even close to freeway standards. I could give the Province a bit more credit if the gravel intersections and crossings weren't there but really. A 50 km/hr gravel road should not be intersecting a high speed divided hwy in any country in the world. Very poor hwy development.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Sorry for the double post, but the north section of the perimeter is actually traffic light free now and all clover leafs. And once they finish the 59 intersection, which was a cloverleaf once it will be all the way to Dugald Rd then.

LOL! Once they finish the 59 intersection , yeah and man will walk on Mars before that happens!

[Mininari]

Originally Posted by Biff

Between Route 90 and Dugald Rd there are 8 gravel road uncontrolled intersections, 3 signalized intersections (Pipeline, 59 and Dugald) and 3 uncontrolled train crossings. That is hardly even close to freeway standards. I could give the Province a bit more credit if the gravel intersections and crossings weren't there but really. A 50 km/hr gravel road should not be intersecting a high speed divided hwy in any country in the world. Very poor hwy development.

Simply put and well-said.

It is good that they're moving ahead on cleaning up the 59/101 mess (by 2017???). Despite the crossings that you mention, I find it a little easier (and a little safer) to drive the North perimeter than the south segment. I again had to slam on my brakes while going (only 90 this time) in the left lane due to a left-turner onto one of those gravel roads. If we can't afford a freeway upgrade now, then at bare minimum, how about using some of that grassy median to make a few left turn lanes?

There really needs to be an aggressive push to get some federal money NOW to improve the route between CCW and Highway 75, including the purported 'St Norbert Bypass.' If Centreport is going to be built on manufacturing, trade and transportation, this needs to be started now. Look how long its taking to build just one interchange (59/101). I can appreciate the fact that provincial resources are tied up with CCW and highway renewal (which is great), but even if just for mere safety reasons, some upgrades along the south Perimeter are warranted.

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

LOL! Once they finish the 59 intersection , yeah and man will walk on Mars before that happens!

This....

is probably what will happen too

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by Mininari

Simply put and well-said.

It is good that they're moving ahead on cleaning up the 59/101 mess (by 2017???). Despite the crossings that you mention, I find it a little easier (and a little safer) to drive the North perimeter than the south segment. I again had to slam on my brakes while going (only 90 this time) in the left lane due to a left-turner onto one of those gravel roads. If we can't afford a freeway upgrade now, then at bare minimum, how about using some of that grassy median to make a few left turn lanes?

There really needs to be an aggressive push to get some federal money NOW to improve the route between CCW and Highway 75, including the purported 'St Norbert Bypass.' If Centreport is going to be built on manufacturing, trade and transportation, this needs to be started now. Look how long its taking to build just one interchange (59/101). I can appreciate the fact that provincial resources are tied up with CCW and highway renewal (which is great), but even if just for mere safety reasons, some upgrades along the south Perimeter are warranted.

Yeah, the PTHY is not very safe at all, and there are tons of upgrades that are not only needed to bring it up to modern standards but more importantly to prevent stupid accidents than can (and have) claimed lives.

We talked in great length about this in another thread and it always seems to keep coming up. Its something I believe other posters have said the MB Gov't is aware of, but it isn't their priority at the moment.

I feel much of that has to do with the perceived lack of importance (its functioning after all isn't it?) along with an actual lack of needed funds. There were some rough calculation estimates that went around and it seemed mightily expensive overall. Problem is these expenses will only keep going up with every passing year.

I think the MB Gov't is more focused on twinning other sections of the Trans Can and updating Provincial roads right now - which is also important - and once that is finished they can (and hopefully will) shift focus to the Perimeter.

Another thing is, if one notices the Perimeter is really only "well built" around the city of Winnipeg/RM boundaries. If the proposed annexation of land inside of the Perimeter Highway to the city of Winnipeg ends up happening, then there is a better chance of the development happening because the city will have a more invested interest in developing the roads (including street side night lights and all that stuff)

[Mininari]

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

This....

is probably what will happen too

Well NASA is seriously preparing for a manned Mars mission... lets see what happens when you develop a long-term plan, fund it, and see it to completion.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by Biff

Between Route 90 and Dugald Rd there are 8 gravel road uncontrolled intersections, 3 signalized intersections (Pipeline, 59 and Dugald) and 3 uncontrolled train crossings. That is hardly even close to freeway standards. I could give the Province a bit more credit if the gravel intersections and crossings weren't there but really. A 50 km/hr gravel road should not be intersecting a high speed divided hwy in any country in the world. Very poor hwy development.

I can't think of any uncontrolled rail crossings on the north perimeter hwy. They all have crossing lights and bells. Because they are low use crossings they don't have crossing gates with the exception of the CN Mainline crossing at HWY 15.

Looking at Google map pictures for all the perimeter highway there is no standard level of crossing protection.

All of the crossings have the standard lights / bells at the sides of the road / median and 4 others have lights cantilevered over the highway. Three of them are located on the west section between Highway 9 and Portage Ave and are CP (2) and the Prairie Dog Central (1) Crossings. The other is the CN east main line.

Crossing gates are only at the CN east mainline crossing and at the CP Emerson crossing.

[cllew]

Does anybody remember how quickly the city installed traffic signals at Grassie and Highway 59 after the 1975 school bus accident. I think they had temporary signals up within the week.

Highway 59 was suppose to be a limited access high speed route like the perimeter hwy and look at what it has evolved into.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by cllew

I can't think of any uncontrolled rail crossings on the north perimeter hwy. They all have crossing lights and bells. Because they are low use crossings they don't have crossing gates with the exception of the CN Mainline crossing at HWY 15.

Looking at Google map pictures for all the perimeter highway there is no standard level of crossing protection.

All of the crossings have the standard lights / bells at the sides of the road / median and 4 others have lights cantilevered over the highway. Three of them are located on the west section between Highway 9 and Portage Ave and are CP (2) and the Prairie Dog Central (1) Crossings. The other is the CN east main line.

Crossing gates are only at the CN east mainline crossing and at the CP Emerson crossing.

I guess it is just a matter of wording. I consider a rail crossing with no crossing gates as uncontrolled. Yes i understand they have lights but either way i think it is missing the point. Rail crossings of "freeways" should all be grade separated. I was just illustrating that in a 25 kilometer stretch of the Perimeter Hwy there are 14 uncontrolled intersections. The majority of those are slightly more modern versions of a middle 1800's cart path.

[The Unknown Poster]

What drives me crazy about the perimeter is the lack of vision with new developments. They intend to extens kensaston to the perimeter and create a lighted intersection rather than cloverleaf. Ridiculous.

[chrisallard5454]

Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster

What drives me crazy about the perimeter is the lack of vision with new developments. They intend to extens kensaston to the perimeter and create a lighted intersection rather than cloverleaf. Ridiculous.

CCW is also planning on having two lighted intersections. This kind of planning completely defeats the purpose of having an overpass in the first place. It also decreases Centerport's credibility as a sustainable inland port. I have never heard of an inland port that doesn't have an efficient modern transportation link to feed to. The overpass allows for free flowing traffic, only to be stalled half a kilometre down the road at the lights.

Why was CPT and 59 not grade separated again? As well as gateway?

With every development that passes I understand what Only the Lonely was talking about when saying he was losing hope that this city/province will ever do things right. It is hard to be optimistic when things like this happen continuously.

[vid]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Sorry for the double post, but the north section of the perimeter is actually traffic light free now and all clover leafs. And once they finish the 59 intersection, which was a cloverleaf once it will be all the way to Dugald Rd then.

Clover leafs are dangerous intersections because traffic merging into the freeway has to cross paths with traffic merging out of it. New interchange designs seek to avoid this, which is why so many places are using ParClo intersections. The downside of ParClo interchanges is the need for intersections at either end of it on the less important road.

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by vid

Clover leafs are dangerous intersections because traffic merging into the freeway has to cross paths with traffic merging out of it. New interchange designs seek to avoid this, which is why so many places are using ParClo intersections. The downside of ParClo interchanges is the need for intersections at either end of it on the less important road.

They also require a much smaller footprint.

[Techman224]

Speaking of freeways, I've saw the actual plans and maps of the then proposed freeways in Metro Winnipeg back in the 1960s, the WATS plan.

http://wpl-pac.winnipeg.ca/ipac20/ipac.j...sportation+Planning+Branch.&index=AUTHOR

It shows detail alignments. It's a roadgeek's goldmine!

Go to the third floor of the Millennium Library and ask for it at the desk.

[1ajs]

wth when did this happen?

[chrisallard5454]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

wth when did this happen?

That has been going on since before I moved here. I noticed it the week I got in , way back in April. I thought everyone on here knew about it....

Speaking of WTH... please tell me they aren't building a parking lot on the North side of the CMHR. They ripped up the sidewalk on the North East side of the building and poured for vehicle access from Provencher. Is it just for Shipping/Receiving? Or did they scrap the surrounding green area for concrete/asphalt?

[chrisallard5454]

Ok, never mind. I found a better view, that shows that there was always a small lot on the North Side.



It is going to be weird not having to walk around fencing once the landscaping is finished. I don't even remember what the site looks like pre-museum.

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by chrisallard5454

It is going to be weird not having to walk around fencing once the landscaping is finished. I don't even remember what the site looks like pre-museum.

Piles of ripped up cobblestone and weeds.