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Old Posted Jun 25, 2012, 3:06 PM
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Singapore airlines is a real treat. As for chaotic flights, try flying Saigon to Hanoi on Jet airways. I have never been on such an interesting flight, I think at least 25% of the plane had never flown before.

YVR is certinaly the best major airport in North America, I have never been to one that even comes close to the level of service, quality of infrastructure or just general aesthetics. It still lags behind the world leaders but I really didn't think it's too far behind some of the best I've ever been to such as Changi, Schiphol or Hong Kong.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2012, 4:33 PM
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^Sounds like we could trade some war stories.

I just flew to HK with Hong Kong Airlines last week. It was my first time flying with them. Besides the 3 1/2 hour delay, it wasn't too bad. My flight to KL from Guangzhou with AirAsia, on the other hand, was a total nightmare.

I'm off to Singapore on Tuesday with Singapore Airlines. It'll be a nice reminder of how good flying can be.


Wouldn't it be great to have Singapore Airlines back in Vancouver?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2012, 7:14 PM
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Singapore airlines is a real treat. As for chaotic flights, try flying Saigon to Hanoi on Jet airways. I have never been on such an interesting flight, I think at least 25% of the plane had never flown before.
Sounds like the flights I've taken in India. I always feel sorry for the flight attendants on those Airlines - it's like they're full time baby sitters. AirAsia is also a gongshow, they consistently have the slowest checkin counters that I've ever experienced.

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YVR is certinaly the best major airport in North America, I have never been to one that even comes close to the level of service, quality of infrastructure or just general aesthetics. It still lags behind the world leaders but I really didn't think it's too far behind some of the best I've ever been to such as Changi, Schiphol or Hong Kong.
Yeah, YVR is one of the best in North America for sure. Although I prefer the airy design of T1 at Pearson, YVR is a better overall airport.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 2:49 AM
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May Pax Stats

An OK month.

Overall up 2.7% (YTD up 4.5%)

Domestic up 2.2% (YTD up 4.3%)

Transborder up 2.6% (YTD up 4.8%) - surprised as capacity was down slightly in May. Capacity increase in June - Sept though.

Asia Pacific up 5.8% (YTD up 6.0%)

Europe up 5.5% (YTD up 3.5%) - Virgin Atlantic started last week of May

Misc Int'l down 14.0% (YTD up 1.5%)
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 3:03 AM
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Been so busy and away so much have barely even had time to read anything.

From what I have seen over the last few weeks:

AC's reduction of HKG is their normal seasonal reduction - so don't see the alarm? They are back to daily now.

TS and it's possible foray to Asia. If anyone remembers Maple Fun Tours wants to start Japan (specifically KIX and NGO to YVR) and they were looking for a partner to actually fly the routes. Perhaps this will eventuate a tie-up between the two. In the meantime looks like JAL has beat them to the punch with their additional charter services to YVR and ANC in conjunction with tourism Alaska.

As for AC's LCC based out of YVR. Don't know what to make of that. People make a lot of comparisons to QF and JQ in Australia. Without a doubt QF is struggling downunder and have a huge mess between management and unions etc. They are moving a fair amount of flying to JQ. JQ's "business class" is a bit more than premium economy but more like the older style J class. Definitely bigger seats and leg room but forget the lie flats. Just DO NOT take away the SYD-YVR flight from mainline... my preferred flight from Australia to Canada. Only made the trip in Y (one-way) once but would prefer that over a crammed LCC plane. They would lose me as a customer.

I have flown on virtually all the major Asian carriers. Including CA and MU domestically and internationally. Don't quite understand the comments about noisy/messy etc. They certainly aren't the top of my list but don't see it as bad as others make it out to be.

Just did 8 SQ trips 4 long haul and 4 short haul - mix of J and Y. They are definitely NOT the same as they were 5 years ago... sorry. Still my preferred carrier to SE Asia / Asia / Europe from here but if they weren't in Star Alliance would be less loyal I think now. Off to Sydney tomorrow! Breathe.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 3:59 AM
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^thanks for the perspective on LCC and jetstar's experience.

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Misc Int'l down 14.0% (YTD up 1.5%)
what are these flights? mexico/charters to the carribean?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 4:35 AM
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I would think so re Misc International.

AC and QF are facing tough challenges but then who isn't. However, at least QF's domestic operation is still a huge cash cow.

Qantas is in the news daily right now. The media of course is painting a picture that it is just falling apart at the seams. The reality is far from that. But they are facing so many challenges right now they probably don't even know where to start.

I do NOT want to start a massive Emirates discussion.. but the latest involves the Middle East carriers. It only seems just now that QF is running scared at the prospect of Emirates, Etihad and Qatar just killing the Aussie market. Emirates/Qatar/Etihad have a combined 9 flights a week to Canada.

To Australia, the combined airlines are getting close to 20 DAILY flights (too lazy to look up right now) Into Melbourne alone they have 5 daily flights to the Middle East (not incl flights to NZ). You can just see the Qantas route map shrinking every time they boost one of their routes. And they ain't finished yet. I am all for free enterprise but now Australia is now thinking "uh oh" what's going on here. Like it should be a surprise? Gee... we are losing thousands of passengers on our international routes... oh now I get it.

Perhaps a bit of regulation is a good thing. I'll bet both Canada and Australia are feeling a bit better off having some decent regulations in the banking industry while the rest of the world's seem to be crumbling. Just a thought.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 6:07 AM
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This is a philosophical difference that has been debated on this thread before. I think there is a fair bit of difference between open skies and the more restrictive regulatory regime in place in Canada. For instance, I don't think a 7x weekly flight between YVR and DXB is going to destroy the market -- contrary to what AC says. I'd argue QF is in a world of hurt not only because of competition, but a toxic labor environment, incompetent management and questionable fleet composition -- and yes, there are some similarities between QF and AC here.

AC needs to get its costs under control, including the ridiculous bonuses being paid to management. The LCC model may be a chance for a new start (although I remain unconvinced by the long-haul LCC model). They're not going to start in YYZ because they would cannibalize their lucrative business traffic. YYC has Westjet and is a smaller market. That leaves YVR.

Re China, take enough domestic flights and you'll understand... From a woman trying to set off some sort of incendiary device on a flight from Urumqi to Shanghai to another memorable flight from Changsha to Beijing where we sat with doors open in 35c heat for 8 hours while the flight was delayed, then canceled, then uncanceled, then delayed again (resulting in a near riot by irate passengers) -- I could not make this stuff up. And then there is the regular mad rush and jostling to board the plane, etc etc. Air travel in China is much safer than it was a decade ago, but it is far from a pleasant experience.

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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 7:28 AM
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I hear you. And that is why I did say don't want to re-hash the EK debate. But, my point is, it is just only now QF is running to figure out why its int'l operation has just tanked in the last 5 years. The writing was on the wall. They are now allegedly lobbying to now restrict these carriers from further access. Of course we are brainwashed to believe that AC hasn't lobbied the fed gov't against EK (mainly). It is far from open skies here but perhaps the Canadian Gov't forsaw only what we are really witnessing now here. And quite frankly we have a lot to lose here. QF is in serious doo doo. QF and JQ have their fingers in so many pies around the region it is getting hard to figure it out. Yes, you are right many similarities to AC with labour, management etc... Perhaps the Canadian Gov't can give a bit more to EK, but only now is Australia scratching its head and definitely this is a serious cause for concern.

I have been on a few domestic flights in China, but only on 3 airlines. Obviously not as many as you if you live there. Just probably more of the exceptions. I have never even seen anything remotely like that. Those stories sounds just like some I have heard on various other airlines around the world. I am lucky enough to have not had the pleasure!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 2:01 PM
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Yeah, I was spending 2-3 weeks of every month in China at one point flying domestically to various cities. Not something to look forward to -- I was always glad when I was on a Dragonair flight back to HKG!

Re Qantas, it really does look like they're flailing around for a viable strategy. I'm hearing SYD-DFW is doing very well for them, but you're right, their international business in general is taking a beating. And starting a Jetstar JV in HKG? Against CX? Not sure how that's going to work out for them. Either way, some lessons for AC here for sure.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2012, 10:16 PM
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AC needs to get its costs under control, including the ridiculous bonuses being paid to management. The LCC model may be a chance for a new start (although I remain unconvinced by the long-haul LCC model). They're not going to start in YYZ because they would cannibalize their lucrative business traffic. YYC has Westjet and is a smaller market. That leaves YVR.
Honestly, while I don't agree with the bonuses the AC management is receiving, the bonuses aren't contributing to the main root of the financial problems with AC. AC is operating at a loss not because it's not generating traffic (they have relatively high average load factor), not because of bonuses, but because of labour, and most damaging, because of pensions (via CAPA Analysis). It's a bit challenging to tackle the issue of pensions unless it starts at a clean slate, but I don't think that is really an option. Labour is really one of the only options AC can potentially figure out. As I said before, I don't think AC is interested in creating a LCC as much as the idea of using a subsidiary arm to reduce its costs and offset its labour while continuing to deliver and expand traffic and capacity.

One has to realize that the lines between LCC and traditional carrier business models are continuing to be blurred as newer carriers without the "legacy luggage" continue to challenge older carriers in the industry. Many traditional carriers are taking note and developing and implementing similar business practices: the idea of charging for luggage (as AC already does for transcontinental flights), the idea of charging for entertainment (US carriers are notorious for this), the idea of charging for food (almost all carriers with the exception of Asian ones), all these came fundamentally from LCCs.

The challenges going on at Qantas is the most interesting I find, but note their problems are quite a bit different than AC. The Australian government is a lot more open to the idea of Gulf Carriers, which resulted in a lot more competition. Historically, QF really only had SQ and CX to deal with. Pretty much overnight, EK, EY, QR sprung from nowhere, carriers in China, with impossibly low CASK costs, began expanding aggressively (note CZ is now the largest carrier in Asia), not to forget, homegrown competition from VA/DJ. And interestingly, VA/DJ partnered with NZ, SQ, and EY to expand internationally, leading to an even stronger competition. This allows VA to expand internationally without essentially added costs and allows it to more focus on domestic Australia. At this time, QF relies on its partner BA for its European traffic, but that just cannot work especially since the LHR hub is not as geographically convenient as its competitors such as SQ, EK, EY, and QR. QF's most recent development with AA flying to DFW, diverting routes from SFO, is a sign that its finally tapping into the power of carrier-to-carrier partnerships to expand its traffic. The dynamics in Australia are really different than what is going on in Canada, but at the same time, like you said, I think there are a lot of learning opportunities carriers around the world can take note of.
     
     
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Of course management bonuses aren't in and of themselves going to sink Air Canada -- but it is symptomatic of some pretty fundamental issues. Faced with AC's current financial problems and sinking share price (or should I say rock-bottom share price?), do you really think Rovinescu should have been paid (or more to the point, accepted) a $5 million retention bonus in March? No wonder there is labor discontent...
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2012, 3:51 AM
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Arrow YVR to DBX? Heresy!! Heresy !! Un-Canadian !!

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This is a philosophical difference that has been debated on this thread before. I think there is a fair bit of difference between open skies and the more restrictive regulatory regime in place in Canada. For instance, I don't think a 7x weekly flight between YVR and DXB is going to destroy the market -- contrary to what AC says.

Yes, but that would snuff the upcoming Air Canada 787s to India, over the pole.... and what about what's "good for "Canada." (read Toronto) ..... and what about our children?
     
     
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Of course management bonuses aren't in and of themselves going to sink Air Canada -- but it is symptomatic of some pretty fundamental issues. Faced with AC's current financial problems and sinking share price (or should I say rock-bottom share price?), do you really think Rovinescu should have been paid (or more to the point, accepted) a $5 million retention bonus in March? No wonder there is labor discontent...
Very True. Leadership should start at the top... and no average employee is going to take a wage freeze/cut lying down if leadership (or lack of) isn't setting the example. It's a disgusting example, in my opinion, of a lack of dedication to the company. These executives are just as replaceable, so you have to question what they bring to the table if they fail at leadership.

Take JAL's recent rebuild... it seems to be going really well. I haven't looked into it, but knowing Japanese culture and general management style, it wouldn't surprise me if the organizational pay scale in general is more linear than exponential. Also, I bet management set the example and took one for the team with pay cuts or bonuses.

While it's true that Japan has a different culture, in the end they're still the same race (human) and we all have a pretty strong sense of justice and fairness built into us, no matter where we were born. I think those are the lessons we want to learn from... not the lessons of what not to do.
     
     
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YVR named most efficient airport in Canada

Calgary and Edmonton come in second and third

Richard Dettman/Denise Wong Jun 28, 2012 11:41:52 AM

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A study of the world's airports finds that Vancouver's is the most efficient in Canada.

The study involved aviation academics in several countries and was led by the UBC's Tae Oum at the Sauder School of Business.

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The World's Most Efficient International Airports

North America - More than 15 million annual passengers

1. Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport
2. Charlotte Douglas International Airport
3. Minneapolis St. Paul International Airport

North America - Less than 15 million annual passengers

1. Raleigh-Durham International Airport
2. Richmond International Airports
3. Will Rogers World Airport

Canada overall

1. Vancouver International Airport
2. Calgary International Airport
3. Edmonton International Airport

Europe - More than 15 million annual passengers

1. Copenhagen Kastrup International Airport
2. Oslo Airport Gardermoen
3. Zurich Airport

Europe - Less than 15 million annual passengers

1. Genève Aéroport
2. Nice Côte d'Azur Airport
3. Edinburgh Airport

Asia Overall

1. Seoul-Gimpo International Airport
2. Incheon International Airport
3. Hong Kong International Airport

Oceania Overall

1. Sydney Airport
2. Queenstown Airport
3. Dunedin International Airport

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http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/377959--yvr-named-most-efficient-airport-in-canada
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Bellingham booming from Canadian border rush

Last month, the Vancouver-based Browns Restaurant Group expanded its U.S. operation when it opened a Scotty Browns franchise outlet just past the security gates at the Washington State airport. The opening, the second outlet for the company in the border city, comes after a March report by the Canadian Airports Council that noted Vancouver International Airport was losing 950,000 passengers annually to Seattle and Bellingham airports.

The study determined Canadians accounted for 62% of passengers passing through Bellingham – a figure in line with the patronage at the Scotty Browns airport location, according to corporate spokesman Mark Majewski.

“I get (Vancouverites) texting me and emailing people all the time saying, ‘Oh, wow. You’re in Bellingham at the airport. That’s so cool.’”

The restaurant opening is just one part of the airport’s ongoing expansion.

Daniel Zenk, the facility’s aviation director, notes the airport has experienced 25-30% year-over-year growth in each of the last six years.

“Honestly, without … Canadians using the airport, Bellingham wouldn’t be as viable and wouldn’t be growing as fast as we are.”

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http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/local/2012/06/21/19906391.html

Bellingham airport undergoes huge expansion to accommodate Canadian flyers


BY ZOE MCKNIGHT, VANCOUVER SUN JUNE 28, 2012 9:10 PM

Bellingham International Airport will soon be three times the size it was three years ago, thanks to a boom in Canadian travellers.

A $17-million, 60,000-square-foot addition to the main terminal, ticketing and baggage claim area began in April, and a 20,000-square-foot renovation of the passenger gates was completed last year.

By the time the newest renovations are finished in 2013, the airport will have tripled in size.

In 2001, about 125,000 people flew out of Bellingham airport. This year, the airport could see as many as 625,000.

Aviation director Daniel Zenk estimated there’s been 25-per-cent growth per year for the last six years.

That rapid growth is thanks to travellers from the Lower Mainland who are willing to drive the 80 kilometres to save hundreds of dollars on plane tickets.

“There’s been this massive increase in traffic, and the vast majority of it has come from the Lower Mainland,” said Ken Oplinger, president of the Bellingham Chamber of Commerce. “When I meet with my colleagues up there and they talk about Abbotsford being the second airport for the Lower Mainland, I don’t even laugh. I just say they’re wrong, it’s Bellingham.”

“The expansion we’re going through is in very large part because there is so much Canadian traffic that has found this airport and the fact that it’s so much less expensive to fly out of here to destinations in the U.S.,” Oplinger said. He added that passengers from the American northwest frequently use YVR, Canada’s second-largest airport serving 17 million passengers per year, for flights to Asia and Europe.

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http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Belli...odate+Canadian+flyers/6858093/story.html
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Millions of Canadians flying out of U.S. airports to save money

950,000 Canadian passengers use Bellingham and Seattle airports instead of YVR each year

By TRACY SHERLOCK, Vancouver Sun June 18, 2012

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Canadian airports are losing 4.5 million Canadian passengers to airports just across the line, which has the senate committee report calling for the establishment of a National Air Travel Strategy, and an end to the practice of charging airports ground rent.

Senator Dennis Dawson is chair of the senate committee that wrote the report, and he says Canada is losing $1 billion a year in air travel alone from Canadians who choose to travel out of U.S. airports.

He says it’s quite natural for people to look for the best deal, and that a family of four could save as much as $1,000 by flying out of the United States because the Americans subsidize their airports while the Canadians charge them rent and expect users to cover costs like security and air traffic control.

“The Government of Canada should stop treating airports as a source of public revenue,” Dawson said.

People flying out of Canadian airports often pay 60 and 75 per cent above the airline’s base fare to cover taxes and charges, compared to between 10 and 18 per cent in the U.S., the senate report found.

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Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/203...e+money/6797282/story.html#ixzz1z9iJoEYB
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Get the unions out of airports and airlines if you want to see competitive rates. Labour is always the latgest expense to any business and when youre paying a guy $29/hr to chuck bags its actually surprising they companies arent already bankrupt

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Tony Gugliotta of YVR is quoted as saying, "We try to keep fares as low as possible, but there are certain costs we can't compete on." Really? What about the constantly-increasing Airport Improvement Fee, or the 27% Parking Tax Levy? Or how about the hourly parking fees? I recently picked up some people flying into YVR and the parking fee for 70 minutes was $12.50.
     
     
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The AIF had not been increased for 3 or 4 years .

Weekly and monthly parking are fairly reasonably priced $44.95+tax & $99.00+ TAX CUPON ON YVR.CA
     
     
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The AIF had not been increased for 3 or 4 years .

Weekly and monthly parking are fairly reasonably priced $44.95+tax & $99.00+ TAX CUPON ON YVR.CA
Significant savings with that coupon!!!
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