NC LRT Advocacy Group

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A couple things, since this is rather hard to follow in a much different time zone and the below is not going to add much to the general discussion.

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk

I wear the contempt of the likes of you as a badge of honour.

Don`t be bitter because everytime you claim to have a grasp on transportation trends or thoughts, you are introduced statitistics or introduced concepts that come from outside of your myopic view, one seemingly both of the world on a macro-level and mobility issues on a more micro one. It`s obviously pretty hard to present to you any fully quantifiable backing for the support, or lack there of, of a particular line that hasn`t been built, hence why I continue to ask you to present anything that is an equivalent example to serve as second best evidence. You haven`t and until you do, and it very likely doesn`t much matter to you, but I`ll take you as yet again being proven wrong. You show me otherwise.

What is inaccessible about it? Will there be a moat? The purpose of the Nose Creek LRT is to provide a commuter link between the communities north of Beddington Trail and the core. This is of course building on the very commuting pattern that has made the LRT successful over the past decades. If you are fundamentally in conflict with this plan then it would seem your objection is indeed urbanist in nature.

Don`t be daft. If you don`t understand accessibility, don`t comment on it. However, you do but just have no real argument to present.

I completely acknowledge the Nose Creek LRT is linked to residential land use on the northern fringe.

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up... So why did you try to argue that somehow a Nose Creek line will serve more people that "will exist" come that time? This discussion might actually prove more fruitful if you at least try to argue the realities of what you are advocating. I think it is pretty clear that a centrally aligned line serves more people as it would serve all the same people that you are including but more - south of Beddington. So are you even trying to discuss this, or purposely inventing non-existent arguments?

It isn't really, I just can't think of a single proposal anywhere in Western Canada that has been more throughly, decisively or repeatedly discredited than a Centre Street LRT. I am however opening to revisiting the subject once the Edmonton Muni redevelopment completely descends into madness. This has been beaten to death over and over again for thirty years.


Calgary by way of the LRT and express buses has done this incredibly well and has built a transit culture unrivalled in any similar city. This is success to be built on rather than turning around and trying to use transit as a blunt instrument to bend peoples lifestyles to yours.

Again, want to perhaps increase your sample set or benchmark? What similar city? Edmonton? Winnipeg? Denver? Las Vegas? St. Louis? maybe Munich? Zurich? Strasbourg? Marseille? Karlsruhe? Rostock? Gdansk?

My goal isn`t to berate Calgary Transit as it`s not as if they are doing only bad things, but unrivalled? Why is it that I can`t even go to a bus station and figure out when, where and how often I can expect a bus - if I can even find that station minimally marked with a small white sign and some number that I`m supposed to know to call. Correct me if things have actually changed throughout.

Finally, get over your damn self and this notion that I`m trying to "bend people`s lifestyles to mine." I can`t remember having argued this from a subjective angle yet, and no where have I stated that people should live a certain lifestyle. My stance aligns itself with one of sustainable development by way of transportation that regards all 3 facets of sustainability adhering to what has quite solidly been proven emperically, theoretically and by way of modelling. If you want to adhere to the outliers (say Wendell Cox) then that is your prerogative, but that then doesn`t automatically make an opponent some sort of social engineer or whatever - as it seems you are trying to say without saying it. Is it really that inconceivable to you that how we currently do things (macroscopically) might just not be the most optimal, and that there are steps that can be taken to rectify this? Or are you just too stubborn to even entertain the idea because it might mean you were`nt quite right or might be slightly inconvenienced - which is the entitled generation? I for one would not use the fact that something essentially decided 5 years ago let alone 30, as the foundation for my stance in such a dynamic world - or even more dynamic city.